Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[DoomYoshi]

I find nocmen's defense curious though. It actually affirms my suspicions.

[BloodCovenent]

Vote: Axelrod

Thank you for your valuable contribution!

Between this and your apparent suggestion that we not bother to lynch SC because he'll just keep getting pardoned, you are definintly in the running for most useless player in this game.

I guess I still have to figure out if useless = scummy.

In AV's defense, you did do a LOT of fence sitting in your last big post.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (3): DoomYoshi, AurorusVox, AurorusVox

BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
Ser Panda (1): Nocmen
AurorusVox (1): DoomYoshi
DCLXVI (1): DoomYoshi
Axelrod (1): AurorusVox

14

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

14

of which are frozen, leaving

22

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

WrathChild has been prodded.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, so scum are going to lurk out the game This prob means we can't do anything to avoid a town loss. They don't care who we lynch, it's just academic.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...if that were the case, presumably the mod would have ended the game by now.
I'm personally not posting as much as usual because I don't have any votes left open.

[Sir Bastion]

Here's the thing bastion.

the fact that the night actions from gooner were bad, speaks more to the slot being town. If blood were just making up the people he investigated he could have made up better ones.

Definitely thinking blood is town right now.

You are making the horrible assumption that because the choices were bad at the time that it makes the slot town.


Yes, if it was a genuine role and these actions had occurred during days 1 - 3 then it could give merit to gooner being so dumb that blood has to be town.

But we only got informed of these actions on

day 4

When you consider the point he reveals these choices then his actions look scummy as hell:

My Targets:
N1: The Shadow - Nothing

dead, modkilled, genuine town power role

N2: Mastermind of Sin - Nothing (meaning he pardoned Noc N1, i believe,)

Judge killed the night before this claim

N3: Ser Panda - There was blood on his hands

player blood was actively trying to lynch.

When you look at these choices they are the safest players in this game to say you used a power role on as they are the ones we can keep track of in their use of powers and actions.

1. Theshadow, town power role who was not on the jury on night 1 nor was he the judge or the executioner (cause we knew mos was the judge and Koc was the exec)

2. Mos, town judge who at this point had pardoned on the 1st night and had no action on the 2nd night (due to modkill)

We knew publicly exactly what these two players did on the nights blood claims to have checked them so there was no risk at all of him making the mistake of being countered on his points. This is a power that can be easily constructed by just reading the game.

They are the two most convenient choices in the game. They allow bloodcovenent to use them as *proof* of his ability, while giving us no information

at all

couple that with how we are sidestepping obvious in your face use of this power by blaming it on a *stupid* player makes me confident that this ability is faked.

I might add for common sense sake that even if gooner was *stupid* why didnt bloodcovenent check Knight of Cydonia night 3? since all the elements to confirm his story remained He was still not been on a jury at that point and didnt claim to be exec ever again.

So are both bloodcovenent and gooner stupid?

[BloodCovenent]

Bastion, I did not choose the N1 or N2 targets, Gooner did. I have no idea why he chose them. If i were scum, i would have claimed getting a lot more guiltys.

During Night 3, the night i replaced into, i had a pretty heavy scum read on Ser Panda. That is why i chose to target him. I didn't choose KoC because i had a town read on him when i sent my night action in. If you want my input as to WHY i think Gooner chose Shadow as a N1 target, or MoS as a N2 target, i can only give you my speculation.

You're attack on me is week, and you're grasping at straws. Doesn't make sense for a town player to attacking a Town PR.

[WrathChild]

We should string up everyone that was pardoned or didn't get killed at night, Noc and SC. And throw in Sir Bastion or Ser Panda as well.

The return of pushing Nocmen for a hanging is idiotic. Noc was pardoned by a judge, considering that unlike the numerous times SC has ducked the noose, there wasnt a peep from the judge that something could have gone wrong, or even a comment that noc's pardon may not be genuine if mastermind didnt want to reveal his role as judge.

First, MoS was ON THE NOCMEN WAGON. He would not have pardoned him. The below quote even implies that he didn't. This puts a boat load of suspicion on both KoC and Nocmen in my opinion.

nope.

I think there's very little reason to bring this up unless you have a scum read on the Nocmen slot. Which you did right? When then get upset when I asked you why you were not voting nocmen?

I

had

a scum read on the Nocmen slot
The actions of the people who very quickly re-wagoned him without, for instance, considering the fact that the Judge must have had a damn good reason not to find him guilty changed that rapidly

I agree with this. However, I'd caution us against starting to make too many assumptions about what happened there. It could just be that the judge is someone who wasn't on the Nocmen wagon. I agree that he's not the play at all today, but we shouldn't let him slide just because the Judge pardoned him (unless we get more information from either of them on why it happened, of course, which isn't really necessary right now).

If he HAD pardoned him, he wouldn't have said that he needs to be watched more. MoS is an arrogant bastard. If he had pardoned Nocmen after pushing for his lynch, he would NOT have said what he did above. He would have argued that Nocmen was OBV town, like he had for so many of his other town reads.

I think Nocmen needs to claim, including his defense statment to MoS.

I will put my votes on Nocmen, but I'm giving him chance first.

[WrathChild]

Also Nocmen scum also means Bastion Scum in my opinion.

[AurorusVox]

More Nocmen/Axel votes~

[Nocmen]

Bastion, I did not choose the N1 or N2 targets, Gooner did. I have no idea why he chose them. If i were scum, i would have claimed getting a lot more guiltys.

During Night 3, the night i replaced into, i had a pretty heavy scum read on Ser Panda. That is why i chose to target him. I didn't choose KoC because i had a town read on him when i sent my night action in. If you want my input as to WHY i think Gooner chose Shadow as a N1 target, or MoS as a N2 target, i can only give you my speculation.

You're attack on me is week, and you're grasping at straws. Doesn't make sense for a town player to attacking a Town PR.

Except for the fact that he's doubting your existence as a town PR.

Except I can see this lining up right with what Gooner said in his posts. Note the double votes on both Shadow and MoS with his ability, before he targetted them. The vote inpost 1362 makes perfect sense to me given he just got the blood result on MoS.

Gooner did not mention much on Ser Panda, so I can't really make a judgement on that.

But based on Gooner's opinions of Shadow/MoS, it makes very good sense that he would target them Nights 1 and 2. I'm believing BC's claim for now.

Do you still think this is stupid, convenient play, Bastion?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Nocmen a much better shot at scum IMO. Agree that MoS probably knew something screwy had gone down re: Nocmen surviving but also knew claiming was a bad idea.

[WrathChild]

Oh good, Nocmen is here...

Claim

[Sir Bastion]

The vote inpost 1362 makes perfect sense to me given he just got the blood result on MoS.

except that bloodcovenent says that the result for MOS was no blood...so the vote makes absolutely no sense now...

N2: Mastermind of Sin - Nothing (meaning he pardoned Noc N1, i believe,)

First, MoS was ON THE NOCMEN WAGON. He would not have pardoned him. The below quote even implies that he didn't. This puts a boat load of suspicion on both KoC and Nocmen in my opinion.

by your logic then ser panda is also guilty since if we are to believe blood's claim and how we percieve the mechanics to work then mos should have come back with blood on his hands like ser panda did if he voted guilty and scum stopped nocmen from swinging. Since these are the exact same elements that make up the reason why people believe ser panda is not scum despite having blood on his hands when he voted guilty to strangercoug but he came back alive too.

[BloodCovenent]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

[Sir Bastion]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

How is that still any different?

Again ser panda's claim was that because he voted guilty but the conclusion was tampered with he still comes back with blood on his hand.

If MOS had still voted guilty on nocmen and he was swapped or the kill blocked etc then he should still had come back like ser panda with bloody hands.

You say MOS came back clean.

So either the theory that Ser panda's hands are bloody because he was on the SC jury is false

or MOS voted to let nocmen live on night 1.

or my personal favourite, your whole role is full of sh*t and we are arguing the mechanics of something that doesnt even exist.

[Knight of Cydonia]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the scum had something like 1 decision swap between 2 of Judge/Jury/Exec, and 1-shot of full over-ride of each decision for each decision-making party. Given my end of D1 stance on Thor and MoS' stance on Nocmen (and the later posts by MoS warning us about assuming Judge had a good reason to let Nocmen go), scum might well have seen an opportunity to keep one of their own alive while putting pressure on another townie and for a Judge claim - especially given the existence of Shadow and Axel's roles at that point. Putting one of their own as the Executioner was too risky with 2 tracking roles around... so why bother when they can have the town do their dirty work and throw those roles off the scent?

[Knight of Cydonia]

EBWOP: for what it's worth, I'm not sure going after someone this vehemently is the action of scum with their buddy. Misguided townie might do this; scum would be too wary of drawing attention to themselves unless they're gorram retarded, which I know Bastion isn't what with that little Scummie above his name. Pretty sure one of them is scum, but up until this point I've had a decent town-ish read on Bastion. Nocmen is the way to go today, IMO.

[BloodCovenent]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

How is that still any different?

Again ser panda's claim was that because he voted guilty but the conclusion was tampered with he still comes back with blood on his hand.

If MOS had still voted guilty on nocmen and he was swapped or the kill blocked etc then he should still had come back like ser panda with bloody hands.

You say MOS came back clean.

So either the theory that Ser panda's hands are bloody because he was on the SC jury is false

or MOS voted to let nocmen live on night 1.

or my personal favourite, your whole role is full of sh*t and we are arguing the mechanics of something that doesnt even exist.

you know what i think? that you're scum and trying to taint me as a player while i've found out all your scum buddies.

[Sir Bastion]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

How is that still any different?

Again ser panda's claim was that because he voted guilty but the conclusion was tampered with he still comes back with blood on his hand.

If MOS had still voted guilty on nocmen and he was swapped or the kill blocked etc then he should still had come back like ser panda with bloody hands.

You say MOS came back clean.

So either the theory that Ser panda's hands are bloody because he was on the SC jury is false

or MOS voted to let nocmen live on night 1.

or my personal favourite, your whole role is full of sh*t and we are arguing the mechanics of something that doesnt even exist.

you know what i think? that you're scum and trying to taint me as a player while i've found out all your scum buddies.

Why is MOS clean and ser panda bloody if they both did the same action?

[BloodCovenent]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

How is that still any different?

Again ser panda's claim was that because he voted guilty but the conclusion was tampered with he still comes back with blood on his hand.

If MOS had still voted guilty on nocmen and he was swapped or the kill blocked etc then he should still had come back like ser panda with bloody hands.

You say MOS came back clean.

So either the theory that Ser panda's hands are bloody because he was on the SC jury is false

or MOS voted to let nocmen live on night 1.

or my personal favourite, your whole role is full of sh*t and we are arguing the mechanics of something that doesnt even exist.

you know what i think? that you're scum and trying to taint me as a player while i've found out all your scum buddies.

Why is MOS clean and ser panda bloody if they both did the same action?

because my role states that if they voted someone guilty on jury duty they will be considered to have blood on their hands. It does not say the same for Judge, or executioner.

[Sir Bastion]

wasn't there some discussion of roles being swapped? Because N1 KoC pardoned someone, and that dude was killed. And if MoS gave him a death sentence, and the scum swapped actions. That would explain the innocent.

How is that still any different?

Again ser panda's claim was that because he voted guilty but the conclusion was tampered with he still comes back with blood on his hand.

If MOS had still voted guilty on nocmen and he was swapped or the kill blocked etc then he should still had come back like ser panda with bloody hands.

You say MOS came back clean.

So either the theory that Ser panda's hands are bloody because he was on the SC jury is false

or MOS voted to let nocmen live on night 1.

or my personal favourite, your whole role is full of sh*t and we are arguing the mechanics of something that doesnt even exist.

you know what i think? that you're scum and trying to taint me as a player while i've found out all your scum buddies.

Why is MOS clean and ser panda bloody if they both did the same action?

because my role states that if they voted someone guilty on jury duty they will be considered to have blood on their hands. It does not say the same for Judge,

or executioner.

...


I need to stop and wonder

what is the point of the power if it only works on jury duty???

[BloodCovenent]

I need to stop and wonder

what is the point of the power if it only works on jury duty???

are you that fucking dense? i still get results if they were exec or judge. BUT THAT DOES NOT HELP IF THEY HAVE ALREADY VOTED GUILTY ON A FUCKING JURY.

[DCLXVI]

@Blood, bastion does have a point.

if someone on the jury votes guilty and the defendant lives, the result from you is blood.
if a judge votes guilty but the defendant lives, shouldn't the result also be blood?

[Sir Bastion]

I need to stop and wonder

what is the point of the power if it only works on jury duty???

are you that fucking dense? i still get results if they were exec or judge. BUT THAT DOES NOT HELP IF THEY HAVE ALREADY VOTED GUILTY ON A FUCKING JURY.

o...k


so your last answer:

because my role states that if they voted someone guilty on jury duty they will be considered to have blood on their hands. It does not say the same for Judge, or executioner.

isnt an answer then?