Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Ser Panda]

My V/LA is over. wlll catch up after I get some sleep.

Wrathchilds post 1944 is great.

I'll look at the nocmen wagon when I wake up.

[BloodCovenent]

@Wrath - Guille was on Jury duty N3.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (4): DoomYoshi, AurorusVox, AurorusVox, WrathChild

BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
Ser Panda (1): Nocmen
AurorusVox (1): DoomYoshi
DCLXVI (1): DoomYoshi
Axelrod (1): AurorusVox
Sir Bastion (1): StrangerCoug

12

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

14

of which are frozen, leaving

22

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

[RedPanda]

Willing to hammer SC. Needs to be hammered until dead.

On the other hand, Ser's adamant defense of Grey, seems a bit unnatural to me. Any town read on him is gone.

Vote: Ser Panda

Need to reread and see who I want as the third.

Unnatural?

really?

Everything I said pointed to him being town.
You just ignored everything.
And the only person who led a lynch on scum is me.
And you lost your scum read?
Shadow,nerocain,quilford and greyice were terrible lynches.
I still don't understand why sir bastion is still alive.

Its the same gut read I had on strangercoug.
And if sir bastion flips scum, I know Av is scum. Av's been protecting that slot from a lynch.

[RedPanda]

I see Guile got hammered - why?
I see SC got hammered - why?

Really Av?

[RedPanda]

I'm sorry. I missed the memo. Why is Nocmen scum again?

haha
this scumbag trying to get you guys to lynch nocmen

[RedPanda]

Nocmen case is that he said he wasn't voting Shadow because he didn't want the day to end. But then it turns out that wasn't true because he couldn't vote him anyway, due to already having 2 votes there.

I.e. he was making up a reason to cover his lack of hammer when there was no reason there. He's trying to be too smart by appealing to protown "allow the conversation to flow", whilst really he just doesn't want to hammer (a buddy? a town PR? --> the lack of hammer is null). If the real reason was because he had two votes placed, then he wouldn't have had to make up the stuff about not wanting the day to end.

He later goes on to say he'd put a third vote there if he could - what happened to wanting conversation?

Nope.jpg - it was all hot air after all.

Lynch bastion with me Av. If I'm wrong then I'll sheep you on nocmen.

[guille2015]

I would like to hear the arguments of those that voted for me as to why they voted for me? BC, Panda and KoC.

Yeah, I really want this.

[RedPanda]

Guile should not have been run up so quickly. That was just dumb, especially the people putting 2 votes on him getting him into hammer range for scum-cougar. That hammer means there's virtually no way Guile is Mafia - unless the scum are so supremely overconfident at this point they are willing to just throw one of their own away which I don't believe at all.

Guile is now virtual confirmed Town.

Wrong.

Guile is scum. Guile was going to get hammered by us anyway. Why would strangercoug feel the need to quickhammer the guy?

[RedPanda]

I would like to hear the arguments of those that voted for me as to why they voted for me? BC, Panda and KoC.

Yeah, I really want this.

you disappeared after leaving me at L-2.

Vote Sir Bastion

[RedPanda]

At this point I think Sir Bastion is trying way too hard to discredit BloodCovenant. I believed BloodCovenant when he claimed, and I still believe him now.

VOTE: Sir Bastion

lol

[Ser Panda]

Willing to hammer SC. Needs to be hammered until dead.

On the other hand, Ser's adamant defense of Grey, seems a bit unnatural to me. Any town read on him is gone.

Vote: Ser Panda

Need to reread and see who I want as the third.

Unnatural?

really?

Everything I said pointed to him being town.
You just ignored everything.
And the only person who led a lynch on scum is me.
And you lost your scum read?
Shadow,nerocain,quilford and greyice were terrible lynches.
I still don't understand why sir bastion is still alive.

Its the same gut read I had on strangercoug.
And if sir bastion flips scum, I know Av is scum. Av's been protecting that slot from a lynch.

I see Guile got hammered - why?
I see SC got hammered - why?

Really Av?

I'm sorry. I missed the memo. Why is Nocmen scum again?

haha
this scumbag trying to get you guys to lynch nocmen

Nocmen case is that he said he wasn't voting Shadow because he didn't want the day to end. But then it turns out that wasn't true because he couldn't vote him anyway, due to already having 2 votes there.

I.e. he was making up a reason to cover his lack of hammer when there was no reason there. He's trying to be too smart by appealing to protown "allow the conversation to flow", whilst really he just doesn't want to hammer (a buddy? a town PR? --> the lack of hammer is null). If the real reason was because he had two votes placed, then he wouldn't have had to make up the stuff about not wanting the day to end.

He later goes on to say he'd put a third vote there if he could - what happened to wanting conversation?

Nope.jpg - it was all hot air after all.

Lynch bastion with me Av. If I'm wrong then I'll sheep you on nocmen.

Guile should not have been run up so quickly. That was just dumb, especially the people putting 2 votes on him getting him into hammer range for scum-cougar. That hammer means there's virtually no way Guile is Mafia - unless the scum are so supremely overconfident at this point they are willing to just throw one of their own away which I don't believe at all.

Guile is now virtual confirmed Town.

Wrong.

Guile is scum. Guile was going to get hammered by us anyway. Why would strangercoug feel the need to quickhammer the guy?

I would like to hear the arguments of those that voted for me as to why they voted for me? BC, Panda and KoC.

Yeah, I really want this.

you disappeared after leaving me at L-2.

Vote Sir Bastion

At this point I think Sir Bastion is trying way too hard to discredit BloodCovenant. I believed BloodCovenant when he claimed, and I still believe him now.

VOTE: Sir Bastion

lol

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (4): DoomYoshi, AurorusVox, AurorusVox, WrathChild

Sir Bastion (2): StrangerCoug, Ser Panda
BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
Ser Panda (1): Nocmen
AurorusVox (1): DoomYoshi
DCLXVI (1): DoomYoshi
Axelrod (1): AurorusVox

11

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

14

of which are frozen, leaving

22

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

[guille2015]

I would like to hear the arguments of those that voted for me as to why they voted for me? BC, Panda and KoC.

Yeah, I really want this.

you disappeared after leaving me at L-2.

Vote Sir Bastion

Really? That's your excuse? What are you talking about. I voted you and placed you in L-5 @Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:48 am.
Then you say this:

Guile is a town read of mine.

You were never at L-2.

You sir are confounding your data. And I believe that it is on purpose. As for disappearing, after I placed your vote It was the weekend, were I usually do not post. It went barely 1.5 days after BC confirmed his power that Grey was Hammered.

Vote Ser Panda

[guille2015]

SerPanda tried to push for not guilty based on Guille being obv-scum for putting him at L-2 and then disappearing. Expressed belief that the scum-team would be found in AV, guille, WrathChild and Sir Bastion, then confirmed a not guilty vote.
DoomYoshi talked a lot about there being "no theoretical reason" to vote not guilty without very good evidence of innocence (which is interesting since he never actually voted guilty). Brought up the Jester thing again

I express agreement with Panda on guille and note that AV has really been on the periphery of the game a lot since replacing in; ask for any reason why GreyICE would quickhammer as town. Panda replies that he can't see a GreyICE/guille bus: has no real reason for the GreyICE quickhammer attempt as town, but pre-emptively calls out WIFOM and says GreyICE's attitude is townish.

Knight

: Read your own statement. Right before the Jury, Ser Panda had a Town read on me. There was never a L-2. And I voted 3rd. And not to mention that disappearing is a very sneaky scum word. Especially when someone is not available to post or respond. Oh wait, respond to what, because No one addressed me for anything nor was I mentioned during the last days before the Hammer

I am on the defendant table, and so, I expect to die. So I expect to take Ser Panda with me. Fellows read through his words. He had a definite read on everything two days ago, and as soon as this day started he made a complete 180 on some of his reads.

Vote: Ser Panda

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (4): DoomYoshi, AurorusVox, AurorusVox, WrathChild

Ser Panda (3): Nocmen, guille2015, guille2015
Sir Bastion (2): StrangerCoug, Ser Panda
BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
AurorusVox (1): DoomYoshi
DCLXVI (1): DoomYoshi
Axelrod (1): AurorusVox

9

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

14

of which are frozen, leaving

22

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

[Ser Panda]

Ser Panda (6): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, guille2015, StrangerCoug, Nocmen, GreyICE

Guile is scum. Using my phone to post will post with details and votes with my hydra account when I get my power back on

hello scumbag

Guile is a town read of mine.

and this was before I was at L-2 and before the guilty was explained.

[Ser Panda]

you disappeared after leaving me at L-2 even after the guilty was explained.

The reason you voted for me was because of that. It looks to me like somebody was waiting for someone to quickhammer me and then laugh about it with his scumbags at night.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay, so there was an L-2, but GreyICE put you at it, not guille. The way you presented it at Jury implied that guille had been the L-2 vote. Hrm. I'm kind of inclined to go with Panda on this one because he's been such a strong town read all game as opposed to guille, who... well, hasn't. But I don't have any votes to throw either way.

[guille2015]

Granted, You were at one point L-2. I missed that, after the guilty was explained Grey voted for you and SC unvoted and voted Grey. Curios I "Disappeared" Before the Guilty was explained. By the time I got back to respond to the Day had ended. But regardless, that shouldn't be the nail in the coffin as you place it. Grey Voted after the guilty was explained and he was the one that placed you in L-2, yet you thought he was town.

If you think that because I didn't unvote you at that time, Even with: 1 the possibility that I don't posts on weekends. 2. I was clarified about the guilty today, when BC said that there was confirmation. 3. There is no requirement to unvote, especially if you are in no danger to getting lynched.

This stubbornness of yours is past town. Your biggest Argument is that I disappeared. This is an assumption that lead to nothing. You have no proof that I purposely disappeared. I'll give you something though, so that you don't strain yourself looking, I only posted once during the weekend. It was a prod Dodge for another game. It was Sunday morning.

Your argument is not enough, and not accurate. Your basing it on a false assumption, and on a very weak action.

[DoomYoshi]

1. StrangerCoug
10. Nocmen
8. DCLXVI
21. Sir Bastion
2. AurorusVox
5. guille2015
12. Ser Panda
19. Axelrod
11. WrathChild
3. BloodCovenent
13. Knight of Cydonia
15. DoomYoshi

Ok, here's my list, as promised. We have just about two weeks to get some major revelations.

What I am doing next: I am going to look at people's reactions to both the StrangerCoug wagon, as well as the original nocmen wagon. Hopefully, I can find evidence of somebody not wanting to bus stranger coug, but then being happy to bus stranger coug. If I am lucky, we can probably cinch another scum.

@panda: I am willing to move my Avox vote to SB.

[Ser Panda]

It doesn't matter to me if greyice placed me at L-2. The fact is Greyice voted for me not because of the guilty.

You voted for me because of the guilty. And then you disappeared after it was explained and I was at L-2.
And yes I'd already looked if you had posted in other games then and I found that one post. I didn't want to use it because it was an ongoing game but thanks for admitting it.

And I frankly don't care if you had posted in 100 other games and not this game, you disappeared and your vote was still on me when I was at L-2.

L-2 is a big deal this game. We've seen quickhammers a lot in this game.

[guille2015]

Whatever. Your case is still weak. But I don't mind. I am on death row. The problem now is you. You need to be in death row with me too.

Let's see, So you thought that Grey Ice was town. You said it's because you thought I was scum. However, that doesn't connect. I never said much about Grey ICE really. I never said he was Scum. I said I didn't know. Additionally he kept saying I was scum, but never did he once used an argument to back up his theory.

[AurorusVox]

Unvote; Axelrod
Vote: Sir Bastion

[WrathChild]

So according to the rules post, there is no Jury tomorrow. Additionally, I suspect that a player can not serve on the Jury AND as executioner or Judge. So we should be able to eliminate a few suspects that way.

You expect all three defendants to die today?

You or SC should live.

I'm not sure I'm interpreting your post correctly. You call me obvscum because I survived the guilty verdict, yet say that either guille2015 or I should live. My letting me live should not be an option from your point of view.

Scum can only save one scum, the other has to die. So if we get two scum as defendants we get at least one dead scum.