Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[WrathChild]

@Wrath - Guille was on Jury duty N3.

My bad, that makes Guile and AV tied.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Nocmen (4): DoomYoshi, AurorusVox, AurorusVox, WrathChild

Ser Panda (3): Nocmen, guille2015, guille2015
Sir Bastion (3): StrangerCoug, Ser Panda, AurorusVox
BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
AurorusVox (1): DoomYoshi
DCLXVI (1): DoomYoshi

9

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

14

of which are frozen, leaving

22

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

[WrathChild]

What are the claims so far?

[DoomYoshi]

Axelrod has an unspecificied, so-far useless role about figuring out the executioner. On one hand, since i think we are close to the end of the game, I think he should reveal. On the other, if he has decided it is still not prudent, I will trust his judgement.

Nocmen claimed vanilla.

StrangerCoug claimed vanilla.

BCov claimed a weird role which doesn't seem like it could possibly be useful.

KoC claimed executioner on N2, but nothing since.

I am unclaimed, as are DCL, panda, Avox, WC, SB, Guille and whoever the 12th player is.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Executioner isn't a role PM, Doom. And I was picked as Executioner N1, not N2. Try to pay attention to the gorram game.

[AurorusVox]

Hi Mod, it's that time again where I ask to see the players who don't have votes placed at the moment.

[IceGuy]

Hi Mod, it's that time again where I ask to see the players who don't have votes placed at the moment.

DCLXVI x2
Nocmen x2
WrathChild x2
Axelrod x3

[StrangerCoug]

I'm sorry. I missed the memo. Why is Nocmen scum again?

haha
this scumbag trying to get you guys to lynch nocmen

This is backwards. Asking for a case on someone is in no way pushing for that person's lynch; in fact, I can't be doing the pushing until I have my answer.

Scum can only save one scum, the other has to die. So if we get two scum as defendants we get at least one dead scum.

OK, that's where I'm messing up. I was reading "should" as a suggestion to the deciders instead of as "probably will".

[DCLXVI]

Hi guys, I'm alive. Full read list tomorrow but I will say this for now.

I'm very confident in guille and blood being town.

Ser/red panda has said some rather scummy stuff that I'll point out tomorrow.

Players supporting the nocmen wagon either need to type up their case against him or show me a link to one earlier in the game cause I'm not getting why everyone wants him dead.

[DoomYoshi]

The D1 Nocmen wagon is interesting.

Everyone is confirmed town except KoC, Avox and Guille. DCL, so you think these 3 are scum?

Undeniable case on Nocmen: the only reason that voting him on day 2 didn't make sense is because we thought the judge pardoned him (this case was first brought forth by Guille). Now we know the judge didn't pardon him. Which means the mafia saved him or reversed the action. Which means he is scum. 100%.

Anyone not voting him is scum.

[Ser Panda]

Whatever. Your case is still weak. But I don't mind. I am on death row. The problem now is you. You need to be in death row with me too.

Let's see, So you thought that Grey Ice was town. You said it's because you thought I was scum. However, that doesn't connect. I never said much about Grey ICE really. I never said he was Scum. I said I didn't know. Additionally he kept saying I was scum, but never did he once used an argument to back up his theory.

Hey Strangercoug said the same things.

your case is weak. check.
RedPanda is scum. check.

I called Greyice town because he called you scum and because of some things he said which made me sure he was town.

[Ser Panda]

I'm sorry. I missed the memo. Why is Nocmen scum again?

haha
this scumbag trying to get you guys to lynch nocmen

This is backwards. Asking for a case on someone is in no way pushing for that person's lynch; in fact, I can't be doing the pushing until I have my answer.

Scum can only save one scum, the other has to die. So if we get two scum as defendants we get at least one dead scum.

OK, that's where I'm messing up. I was reading "should" as a suggestion to the deciders instead of as "probably will".

yeah sure. That was your intention. I believe you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

The D1 Nocmen wagon is interesting.

Everyone is confirmed town except KoC, Avox and Guille. DCL, so you think these 3 are scum?

Undeniable case on Nocmen: the only reason that voting him on day 2 didn't make sense is because we thought the judge pardoned him (this case was first brought forth by Guille).

Now we know the judge didn't pardon him.

Which means the mafia saved him or reversed the action. Which means he is scum. 100%.

Anyone not voting him is scum.

Bolded is absolute horseshit. "Everyone else on that wagon is town, therefore these 3 are probably scum"? Worst logic I've seen since I played with PMysterious.
Italicised is utterly untrue. We don't "know" what MoS did because he never told us.

[guille2015]

Worst logic I've seen since I played with PMysterious.

I'm using this in my sign, if it's alright with you.

[guille2015]

The D1 Nocmen wagon is interesting.

Everyone is confirmed town except KoC, Avox and Guille. DCL, so you think these 3 are scum?

Undeniable case on Nocmen: the only reason that voting him on day 2 didn't make sense is because we thought the judge pardoned him (this case was first brought forth by Guille). Now we know the judge didn't pardon him. Which means the mafia saved him or reversed the action. Which means he is scum. 100%.

Anyone not voting him is scum.

Aside from the fact that KoC killed Thor and the Jury Killed Arugula. MoS had Nocmen in his grasps and gave this clue:

nope.

I think there's very little reason to bring this up unless you have a scum read on the Nocmen slot. Which you did right? When then get upset when I asked you why you were not voting nocmen?

I

had

a scum read on the Nocmen slot
The actions of the people who very quickly re-wagoned him without, for instance, considering the fact that the Judge must have had a damn good reason not to find him guilty changed that rapidly

I agree with this. However, I'd caution us against starting to make too many assumptions about what happened there. It could just be that the judge is someone who wasn't on the Nocmen wagon. I agree that he's not the play at all today, but we shouldn't let him slide just because the Judge pardoned him (unless we get more information from either of them on why it happened, of course, which isn't really necessary right now).

I interpret that he did indeed pardon him but his reasons were not because he was certain of Nocmen's Innocence. He had doubt, but enough to pull an innocent. If he had done a Guilty and Nocmen had been saved, he would have been the first one to vote for Nocmen. This is neither a plus town tell or a plus scum tell.

[DoomYoshi]

KoC: You misinterpreted me. I am not saying you are more likely to be scum. However, for DCL to disagree with a wagon, there is a higher chance that he thinks the people on it are scum. I am talking percentage of DCL's perceptions, not percentages of actual scum content on a wagon. FTR, I think Avox and Guille are fairly scummy.

[DoomYoshi]

BTW, way to totally misrep MoS guille. You are back on my scum list.

[AurorusVox]

Hi Mod, it's that time again where I ask to see the players who don't have votes placed at the moment.

DCLXVI x2
Nocmen x2
WrathChild x2
Axelrod x3

What a fucking surprise

GET YOUR VOTE ON

[guille2015]

BTW, way to totally misrep MoS guille. You are back on my scum list.

Way to Misrep my misrep, lol!

Seriously now, Misrep and what I did are totally different. I said very specifically that that was my interpretation. Therefore it is not a misrepresentation.

[DoomYoshi]

@Guille: No. MoS said a possible explanation is that the Judge wasn't on the wagon. We know now that the Judge WAS on the wagon. We also know that the Mafia were trying to figure out who the judge was (why wouldn't they be?). We also know that MoS didn't want to self-reveal as judge (otherwise MoS would've). Ergo, MoS was pretending to have no idea what happened, when in fact he did know what happened.

[guille2015]

@Guille: No. MoS said a possible explanation is that the Judge wasn't on the wagon. We know now that the Judge WAS on the wagon. We also know that the Mafia were trying to figure out who the judge was (why wouldn't they be?). We also know that MoS didn't want to self-reveal as judge (otherwise MoS would've). Ergo, MoS was pretending to have no idea what happened, when in fact he did know what happened.

This is correct. But I am not addressing this. I am addressing your point that he didn't pardon Nocmen, where I am saying that he did pardon Nocmen. If he had not pardoned Nocmen, then he would have probably voted for him.

Now, Nocmen might be guilty because of other things, but not because he was saved on Night 1. Additionally, he might be innocent because of other things, but not because the Judge saved him night 1.

I haven't particularly concentrated on Nocmen since day 1 so I consider him Null, ATM.

[DoomYoshi]

If he had voted for Nocmen, he would reveal himself as the Judge. Why would he want to do that? He was forced to play ignorant - by you!

[Ser Panda]

If he had voted for Nocmen, he would reveal himself as the Judge. Why would he want to do that? He was forced to play ignorant - by you!

stop using craplogic yoshi.

I've explained this already.

[DoomYoshi]

Post #?

[DCLXVI]

Hi Mod, it's that time again where I ask to see the players who don't have votes placed at the moment.

DCLXVI x2
Nocmen x2
WrathChild x2
Axelrod x3

What a fucking surprise

GET YOUR VOTE ON

I'm not voting right now because the last thing we need is another retarded quickhammer.