Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

So you're threatening to hammer but you haven't even read anything?

This.

[Amrun]

Anything...?

I've read up until Friday's content. I seriously doubt 2 days would have made THAT much difference.

And I wasn't actually going to hammer until I read everything and decided I still would, but thanks for ruining THAT. I was specifically going for a reaction from Telo, but it's not a particularly good one and effectively useless if others commented first.

Reactions to hammer threats can often be very telling, especially if they come out of nowhere.

[TraceyLyn11]

Question: Would you all prefer me to do a large catch-up wall commenting on any posts I find relevant in order to see a stream-of-thought sort of thing from me, or would you prefer I just read, list my reads, and maybe comment on the most significant of occurrences?

They'll both probably end in walls (heads up, I'm a waller), but the former would be significantly larger than the latter.

[camn]

the latter

[Huntress]

@ Tracey: Definitely the latter

@ Huntress

No I meant we need to let her speak BEFORE someone hammers. And that I still feel she is scum. Her recent posts definitely do not feel at all town like. For example, even if she has trouble with multiple tabs on her nook, she could at least give us SOME idea of her reads on others. Instead she states she can't possibly give any content til she gets to her computer. So I doubt she will say anything that makes me feel she is not scum. It is still a remote possibility that I am wrong about her, but very remote.

I know that's what you meant. But we also need time to respond to her responses and I got the impression from your post that you were encouraging a hammer before we had a chance to do that. Remember we're not all in the same time zones. It's exasperating that she's left it so late in the day but unfortunately that's not necessarily a scum-tell. (Although if the fake dayvig hadn't already been used I would have been sorely tempted by her taunting posts.)

I disagree with Camn's post 470, apart from the request for reads. I think we do need responses from her. Especially don't like the line repeated in post 472 which is encouraging a relatively new player to break rules. I'm trying to decide whether Camn would say that if she really thought that Telo was scum, or if she knows it's safe as she knows Telo is town. Actually, it could even be a bus.

I'm in a bit of a quandary here as having reread Telo's posts and the points made against her I'm itching to say what I think of some of the cases but I also want to wait to hear from Telo first as I'm not happy with some of her posts myself. Camn's case in particular is misleading and I don't like that Flinter cast a bandwagon vote apparently based purely on that case, nor do I like the fact that Tracy seems to be quite happy to let the vote ride.

Telo's posts that I have a problem with are:
post 192, it's bad, but I'm not sure why she would write this as scum either.
post 217, The first part of this referring to 130 just doesn't make sense. It's a disconnect and with scum daytalk available such disconnects are concerning, rather than just puzzling.
post 238 and post 247, these are the ones that look most scummy to me. The timing, and the comment about not having an answer after quite a short time, seems a bit contrived.

[DrippingGoofball]

TraceyLynn is town, all she needs is to exercise good judgment.

[camn]

What?!

How is it 'misleading'???
Its all cited. Show me which part is misleading!
If you disagree with some point... show me where.

And really...the other thing is called subtlety. I don't expect names... I expect mistakes.

[springlullaby]

Prod dodge, skimming through I'm ok to lynch Telo.

[camn]

Not yet!

Huntress should explain herself before Telos flip.
If she wants to defend her partner- let her be explicit about it!

[RedCoyote]

Prodding Tammy

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Vote Count 1 - 16

• Telo

  (9) (RachMarie - DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15 - Brandi - camn - CityElectric - Fujiko - Eidolon - TraceyLyn11)
  
  
  Huntress
  (2) (Tammy - Seastormjt)
  
  
  Fujiko
  (1) (Bunnylover)
  
  
  Brandi
  (1) (springlullaby)
  
  
  PiggyGal15
  (1) (Telo)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Amrun)
  
  
  Bunnylover
  (1) (Sucrose)
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (Apokalyptika - Huntress)

With eighteen alive, it takes ten to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2012-10-11 12:10:00)

[Sucrose]

Anything...?

I've read up until Friday's content. I seriously doubt 2 days would have made THAT much difference.

And I wasn't actually going to hammer until I read everything and decided I still would, but thanks for ruining THAT. I was specifically going for a reaction from Telo, but it's not a particularly good one and effectively useless if others commented first.

Reactions to hammer threats can often be very telling, especially if they come out of nowhere.

I think I understand what you were going for, but you can't expect town to not react as well when a gambit is so opaque like that.

Not yet!

Huntress should explain herself before Telos flip.
If she wants to defend her partner- let her be explicit about it!

On the contrary, I'm now pretty certain Huntress is town. Telo is the best lynch for the day, but I don't see the point of being so damned impatient about it.

Of course, the fact that so far she's failed to show up and talk is making her look a lot worse.

[Huntress]

How is it 'misleading'???
Its all cited. Show me which part is misleading!
If you disagree with some point... show me where.

I don't want to say too much as I want to see Telo's response before I go into detail but this is the sort of thing I'm getting at:

Let us look at her ISO:

Her first 5 posts? NOTHING. Fluff, totally. no content.
POst 6- real life excuses.
post 7- nothin.. Maybe a spark of life? Nope.

Posts 1 and 2 in her ISO were asking a question and acknowledging the reply. These were still in the confirmation stage so of course would have no game content.
Post 3 was her random vote posted immediately after RC's "game on" post. The vote was all the content possible at the time. How could you expect more when there had been exactly zero other game posts?
Posts 4 and 5 refer to RM so not fluff.
Post 6 contains early game content replying to one player and mentioning three others so not simply "real life excuses".
Post 7 is a comment on DGB's statement about her; saying "it rings hollow"; so that wasn't nothing either.
And so it goes on.

This misrepresentation and the dismissive tone in which you deliver it looks like you are more interested in pushing a lynch than you are in making a genuine case.

[Tammy]

Acknowledging prod...many apologies.

Please don't anyone hammer. Telo needs to come in and claim if anything, and I'd like to catch up on the past week and post my thoughts.

[camn]

Wow.
I'm actually willing to Lynch huntress over this.

But it can wait.
Although it is a little white-knighty....... which gives me a tingle.

/bites lower lip

[RachMarie]

A little? I would say quite a bit. Telo first then her scumbud...

[RachMarie]

Reminds me of my first game Newbie 1206 where Metabot championed me so much I became unlynchable. In Lylo that cost us because I did not realize it was a scummy thing. (also my not protecting the cop the 2nd night cost us as well).

[DrippingGoofball]

It's a little late on the wagon to go full-whiteknight.

Why? If you're scum and some townie is headed to the Dead QT, at L-1 forever because of lurkage, last thing you want to do is derail this wagon and have it bounce on yourself or one of your partners.

Nah, scum would do exactly what SL is doing. "Oh hi, just passing through, never mind me, seeya later, I'm OK with the lynch."

[RachMarie]

hmm that is a good point DGB...

After Newbie 1206, I have always been skeptical of people doing a lot of defending of one particular player.

[TraceyLyn11]

hmm that is a good point DGB...

After Newbie 1206, I have always been skeptical of people doing a lot of defending of one particular player.

Why aren't you questioning DGB's constant assertions that I am town, then?

[PiggyGal15]

Cause you're obv town and not at L-1 so its DGB getting a town read, not white-knighting.

[Huntress]

Cause you're obv town and not at L-1 so its DGB getting a town read, not white-knighting.

Why do you think Tracy is obv town?

[Telo]

Before I get down to the older stuff I wanted to comment on what happened yesterday -- flinter's post where she's quoting from my other ongoing game and posting it here.

We're not allowed to discuss ongoing games and we're certainly not allowed to QUOTE ongoing games into other ongoing games. Piggy does a good job of playing it off like she's confused about what it is and DGB quickly offers support that this is town.

That is not town. I'd vote flint but since piggy was right there backing her up I'll leave my vote where it is.

Ok now going back to the other day when I left off back in a few.

[RachMarie]

I have not gotten that far yet Tracey. Since you just joined I was waiting to see about you clarifying the slot more.

As for DGB overall she reads towny to me atm.



pedit (WTF)?? Ongoing game???

[PiggyGal15]

I think Telo is referring to the confusing vote count things that were incredibly confusing...

[TraceyLyn11]

Cause you're obv town and not at L-1 so its DGB getting a town read, not white-knighting.

Why can't Huntress get a town read on someone at L-1?

And for the record, I agreed with Huntress's white-knight post. I had seen the post before she commented on it, and had thought the same things she had. I was planning on bringing it up tomorrow in one concise post, but I guess that's not really needed now.