Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

[Huntress]

Camn's post 738 is making me think she has a higher chance of being scum than Rach. The rest of her posting is just adding to that.

Hope to have more time tomorrow to go into more detail.

Vote: Camn

Willing to switch back to Rach if necessary as I still think she is more likely to be scum than Apok, but not by much.

[RedCoyote]

Prodding Seastorm

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Vote Count 2 - 7

• RachMarie

  (4) (Tammy - Apokalyptika -

  Huntress

  - DrippingGoofball -

  TraceyLyn11

  - PiggyGal15)

  
  

  Apokalyptika

  (4) (Sucrose - Fujiko - Eidolon - springlullaby)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (2) (TraceyLyn11 - camn)
  
  
  camn
  (1) (Huntress)
  
  
  TraceyLyn11
  (0) (

  springlullaby

  -

  camn

  -

  DrippingGoofball

  -

  PiggyGal15

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (5) (RachMarie - Amrun - Brandi -

  TraceyLyn11

  - Seastormjt -

  TraceyLyn11

  )

With fifteen alive, it takes eight to lynch.

Current Deadline:

(expired on 2012-10-23 20:07:00)

[camn]

Except any post I make would make you say that, Huntress ... didn't we establish that earlier?
So, it

might

be helpful if you would explain WHY it makes you think that. Well.. helpful to the town.
Unless you are no-reason voting. I think that is fun sometimes. But then at least you should own it.. and not give a quasi-reason.

[DrippingGoofball]

WHY DOES RACHMARIE HAVE ONLY 4 VOTES???

camn your Sucrose vote is completely useless.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Sucrose

Counter wagon anyone?

No. There will be no Sucrose wagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

We're not lynching Apokaltica either; she's vig bait. We only lynch that player slot if the vig is dead.

[camn]

ok, baby. I'll back your play.
But only because of my faith in you, overall. I'm not sold on the idea.

UNVOTE
VOTE RACHMARIE

[Seastormjt]

Prod-dodge, I'm probably not going to be able to post in-depth until late Saturday, but after a quick ISO on Tracey... Tracey, I was wondering why you voted Sucrose after your joke-unvote -- It didn't seem like anything had happened that would have changed your mind about Rach.

...Also is it possible we could get a tl;dr of your wall?

[Eidolon]

Well there we go. blatant
If you see scum motivation in being early on the wagon, theres no reason you should think scum were late to the wagon.

I DONT. Thats why I do it as scum. Because it is so anti-scum, it snookers the town.

Just because you think you are good at being scum doesn't mean scum are full of bad players who would only bus predictably late and weakly.
You are purposefully underestimating all the other players to make your viewpoint seem consistent.

Except most of them are. Are you areguing that the scum ARE in the front of the wagon.. and I am intentionally avoiding them? (another question. Note the difference between questions and 'putting words in your mouth'). Or Do you think what you actually just wrote.. that I am underestimating people?

Town wouldn't do that.

I just did.

Now seriously- you dont need to answer my questions defensively.. you should ask them of yourself.
Do you think I am protecting someone... or that I am arrogantly underestimating people? You cant have both. Either I really think the scum suck.. and I am looking for them... or I AM the scum, and I know who my partners are..... and almost all of your post is irrelevant.
I honestly wonder which it is?

Because if you are town.. you aren't thinking critically, which is bad for us.
If you are scum, you are using these superficial quasi-logics to setup a crapcase.

I never said that you were protecting anyone. Except maybe yourself. Again you are putting words in my mouth for what i apparently think you're doing that's scummy, and it makes me think that you are over concerned with how you are perceived.

Also you are missing something. You said that my post is irrelevant because as scum you wouldn't be seriously underestimating people's scum play. Isn't that obvious considering scum don't scumhunt? It doesn't have anything to do with my point. What i implied was that your scumhunting seems fake because you had to alter your scumtells to fit your supposed viewpoint of the game. you went from "scum do this, i'd do this as scum" to "i think scum didn't do this."

If you have to intentionally work against your own scumtells, you aren't truly scumhunting.

assuming

(or rather implying)

scum are stupid is

not

town because it is intentionally narrow, which shows scum motivation. town take in the logistics of the big picture of the game, scum limit their perception when they know it leads to scum. what makes you think scum are dummies?

scum buss day 1 hard all the effing time, it's not that brilliant and contrary.

also, i'm questioning your behavior here, so i have nothing to be defensive about.

if you said you think scum are on the late wagon instead of the early wagon, why put your vote up for rach?

[TraceyLyn11]

@Sea: sjbdieneodndkndkdnekod I've already explained the vote twice. >_> READ, PEOPLE. It wasn't a joke unvote? I was serious. Two people I suspect were on the wagon. Why would I think it a good idea to continue backing such a wagon? And the TL;DR is the list at the top of my wall. Under each ISO, however, I do an "overall". That's sort of the TL;DR version in paragraph form, I guess.

Camn, why are you sheeping DGB so hardcore? What makes you think she's town rather than scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

We're lynching RachMarie for claimstall, for those that don't get it.

[Fujiko]

We're lynching RachMarie for claimstall, for those that don't get it.

8 to lynch

701 - RachMarie (3) (Tammy - Apokalyptika - Huntress) = L-5
710 - DGB votes RachMarie = L-4
711 - TraceyLyn votes RachMarie = L-3
717 - DGB - "You're at L-2. Claim time"
722 - Piggy votes RachMarie = L-2
724 - TraceyLyn unvotes RachMarie = L-3
738 - camn - "RACHMARIE- CLAIM OR DIE"
740 - RachMarie's last post - "Am I at L-1 with an intent to hammer??? I have no problem claiming at that point."

I'm okay with her not claiming under these circumstances - I wouldn't have, personally.

[TraceyLyn11]

She thought she was at L-1, she should have claimed. However, I really don't like DGB trying so hard to lead the town. I don't care if it's something she regularly does - I don't trust her.

[TraceyLyn11]

Happy scumday, RC. (:

[Huntress]

Where did Rach say that she thought she was at L-1? It looked more like she was querying the incorrect statement that she was at L-1, and saying that she was prepared to claim when the time came, but that it hadn't yet. That's not a refusal to claim.

[Sucrose]

Vote: RachMarie

Not sure why people backed off this wagon.

[camn]

Camn, why are you sheeping DGB so hardcore? What makes you think she's town rather than scum?

I have played with her a lot.. and I have a feeling.
She is a little more dodgy as scum, and if she

were

scum, she would know I was town, andI think she wouldn't be lighting me up so much (go ahead Eidolon, say how scummy that is ).
Of course.. it IS in the back of my head that she KNOWS, from experience, that if she WASNT lighting me up, I would be suspicious... so maybe this is her brilliant scum-play to reverse-psych me into believing in her.... but my money is on her being town.
And although I understand you are uncomfortable with her leadership... if she leads us into a mislynch, we can reconsider things, no?

PS- I am done debating with you, E, until you can answer questions without punishing me for asking them. Saying I am 'putting words in your mouth' when I ask you something... It's not productive. Lynch away if you think you can.

[DrippingGoofball]

Am I at L-1 with an intent to hammer??? I have no problem claiming at that point.

She had some options.

(1) Oh hey, I'm vanilla WTF coconut.
(2) This wagon is terrible you morons, I'm a PR, back off.
(3) Fakeclaim cop to out the real cop like a good little scum.
(4) Insecure little scum bought some time and scurried back to the QT for advice.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ camn

How is RM "lighting you up"?

[TraceyLyn11]

(4) Insecure little scum bought some time and scurried back to the QT for advice.

I've been considering this. She kind of stalled claiming in another game we had played (she was a doctor), but she left a tell, "You need me." She left absoltely no indication of her alignment here.

I'd like to see her response to the questions about what she actually meant, but I'll likely move back to the wagon regardless of the people on it. Might as well trust my strong scum read more than my two null-scum reads, right?

Also, Camn was referring to you, I believe.

@Camn: Speaking of which, what does "lighting you up" mean?

[Fujiko]

And in this case yes I am Town.

Looks to me like an indication of alignment.

[TraceyLyn11]

And in this case yes I am Town.

Looks to me like an indication of alignment.

Is she admitting to being a Vanilla Townie or just of the faction Town? If that was her claim, then it was bad. She should know to specifically claim.

[DrippingGoofball]

And in this case yes I am Town.

Looks to me like an indication of alignment.

That's the sort of BS that scum says all the time. The emphasis "in this case" is odd, too.

[Tammy]

VOTE: Apokalyptika

The slot keeps getting passed around, and everyone in it is inactive. We need to get something more from it.

I'm still not entirely thrilled with RachMarie, especially post 588, but I can see how it could have been forgetfulness/confusion. Also, I've now played in two games with her, and this feels a bit more like the town one than the scum one - higher activity level.

I don't with the last exchange with TraceyLyn. The reason I'm not voting her is that the defensiveness exhibited there could be a personality tell, rather than a scum tell. (That said, I am waiting for her list of reads.)

So, you've played with her as scum before and she had a lower activity level than this?

[Tammy]

We're lynching RachMarie for claimstall, for those that don't get it.

8 to lynch

701 - RachMarie (3) (Tammy - Apokalyptika - Huntress) = L-5
710 - DGB votes RachMarie = L-4
711 - TraceyLyn votes RachMarie = L-3
717 - DGB - "You're at L-2. Claim time"
722 - Piggy votes RachMarie = L-2
724 - TraceyLyn unvotes RachMarie = L-3
738 - camn - "RACHMARIE- CLAIM OR DIE"
740 - RachMarie's last post - "Am I at L-1 with an intent to hammer??? I have no problem claiming at that point."

I'm okay with her not claiming under these circumstances - I wouldn't have, personally.

Why wouldn't you have claimed?