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Post Post #14500 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:49 am

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Ranmaru wrote:What are good ADC's to have? I have been working on my support pool, and I have Sona/Soraka/Janna/Taric (and some others). Now I'm looking to expand on my ADcarries because I only use MF/Teemo. (I might look to expand on Top > Jungling after AD carries in that order)

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I know there are better AD carries on the site then me, but my completely unprofessional opinion is that if you are really new to AD carry you should probably play primarily Ashe. The reason for this is that she has good range to keep her out of easy harrass range from the more bursty ad carries, is far more relevent then Caitlyn in the late game(barring Nunu support and even then if both have Nunu Support, Ashe still is quite formidable cause her slows proc that much faster) because she can initiate fights. She doesn't have a steroid which is bad, but she has a shit load of utility, doesn't have any difficult mechanics, can instantly change the course of a game witha good arrow, is super easy to kite with and they even practically give you the first CS(and any cs that you get after backing or not shooting for a long time) for free! The "best ad carries" right now are Ezrael/Corki/Kog/Graves. Ez is about to eat a hard nerf possibly might not worth picking up right now, but he has a global ult, an escape, and an attack speed debuff. He's diffcult to play though because all skillshots and you can stumble over his escape. Graves has falling a little out of favor since his nerfs but he still has his scoot to get out of bad situations. Plus side to Graves is that he is pretty easy to play barring his range but you can mitigate the fact you are taking harrass cause of his passive armor boost and the fact he is really good with supports that can give him armor. If you can't farm with Graves, you have pretty bad mechanics. Corki is another ad carry with an escape, a good passive and good poke(even if they nerfed it). He is pretty diffcult to play in my opinion. Lots of things to think about and can easily put himself in bad situations he can't get out of. Kog doesn't have an escape and doesn't have (good) aoe wave clearing, but his steroid plus shred make him quite formidable. He does a lot of damage, Has one of the best late games of all the ad carries and in lane he can use his steroid to farm and harrass with out taking any harrass yourself.
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Post Post #14501 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:53 am

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Before you determine all that though, how's your map awareness?
If your map awareness is fairly weak and you're vulnerable to ganking, you should steer off of the carries with weaker escapes like Ashe and Kog.
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Post Post #14502 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:45 am

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dramonic wrote:Before you determine all that though, how's your map awareness?
If your map awareness is fairly weak and you're vulnerable to ganking, you should steer off of the carries with weaker escapes like Ashe and Kog.


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Post Post #14503 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:41 am

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Post Post #14504 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:48 am

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I think it's ok. I think using Gangplank helps with that too, since I have to look around to ult. I admit I use it whenever I see the enemy chasing as a group or something, as impulse. Maybe I should just save it for when they are low or just use it anyways?

I just don't have it up to some certain standard, since I don't know how often one should check the map. (Like time wise) I will
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But thanks guys, I will try these out. I already have Corki and Ashe, so I will practice them. And of course, as Ashe I won't push the lane and go past river (without a ward). I'll work on the others when I see them on sale or just somehow impulse buy which probably won't happen since I'm cheap.
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Post Post #14505 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:13 am

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Ranmaru wrote:What are good ADC's to have? I have been working on my support pool, and I have Sona/Soraka/Janna/Taric (and some others). Now I'm looking to expand on my ADcarries because I only use MF/Teemo. (I might look to expand on Top > Jungling after AD carries in that order)

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Ashe. When you start getting into more competitive elo's where people understand the meta and team comps and picks actually matter, Graves, Corki, and Caitlyn. Varus is also a good substitute for Caitlyn in a poke comp but he is more complicated and doesn't have an escape whereas Caitlyn's kit is really strong and, as of right now, she's becoming more relevant to non-professional meta's with all the changes to other AD's. Kog carries games really hard if you play him right. He can get shut down in lane vs. an AD who knows what they're doing. I'd suggest getting him after Graves/Corki/Cait because of how good he can be. He's not dominant right now like he used to be but he's still sleeper strong played in the right hands. Focus more on farming and just harassing in lane with taking as little harass back as possible. If you're also practicing cs mechanics in customs, you should have no problem getting really big on him and melting enemy tanks. Tristana, Vayne, and Draven are all people I wouldn't recommend but would suggest eventually learning. The former two's lategames being the most op and Draven having a somewhat high skill cap due to his q->w refresh. Tristana is also really fun once you develop a feel for her and the jump refresh. Nothing is more fun than hopping around in a fight and laughing while the enemy team tries to catch you while you're just orbwalking and jumping.

Giving Sivir her own paragraph because she's who I play the most in ranked right now. So, Sivir is.... a special case. I see people say "she's really good" and others mention "she has no escape and other ad's do what she does but better". The "others" are wrong. Completely fucking wrong. I play Sivir in ranked a lot because 1.) I'm really comfortable with her and 2.) she is the most flexible AD right now. As far as CC goes, she's shitty. Usually, though, AD's never bring CC to their team anyways. They bring damage and any team should be expecting that, not CC. Her kit lets her bring sleeper OP burst damage, poke, good range, an auto-reset with aoe, great kiting potential for anyone good at ad mechanics, and an ultimate that tells your team "Let's fucking go". Out of all that, I like the ultimate the most. When you play by yourself, team coordination is hard to deliver and typing in chat can cost you. When I press R on Sivir, everything is obvious. If they're in front of your team and you're even in HP or they're slightly overextended, everyone on your team knows it's time to all in. If you just took their inhib tower and they just res'd, your team knows "here's a speed boost now back the fuck off" and it helps to accompany it with retreat pings. Also, the attack speed/move speed buff really helps people like Irelia, Jax, Skarner, etc. Her defensive spell, despite being an escape, is sometimes even better. I played a ranked game 2-3 weeks ago where I blocked a skarner's ult 4 times in a row with it by just mindgaming him. That shield is OP when you use it right. I would've died at least twice of those 4 pulls. She has insane damage if you're getting auto's off in a fight, especially if their team is grouped. Having your ricochet bounce in a fight does incredible aoe and her single target damage is no joke either. Her passive gives her move speed so she can kite and chase as long as you use attack-move click with right clicking a.k.a. orbwalking. She also pushes like a beast. Couple that with her damage and, if you have a competent Sivir on your team, she should be melting towers if she wins her lane. That's the main reason I like her in solo queue. I need to be able to tell the other team "hey, Im a problem and if you dont deal with me, Im going to win the game on my own" and she does it well. Pushing and split pushing as Sivir is great if you know when to do it. If you win your lane and you want to end the game fast, great, head over to mid and take that tower. You push so fast that, if their mid ever has to b or isn't a great wave clearer, you're going to take that tower down within seconds.

So, uh, yeah. Again, Ashe is probably the AD I would recommend first due to her kit, how safe she can be, and the method through which she teaches people playing her that they need to position themselves well or they will die. After that, Sivir is a great all-around pick because she does so much for a team. Both are really cheap(I think they're like 450 IP?) so it shouldn't be a problem to buy them.
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Post Post #14507 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:34 am

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I didn't mention Ezreal in my post because of his nerfs. He likely won't be worth it to buy and I would buy him last out of all the AD's because his trading potential is going to be so limited.
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Post Post #14508 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:09 am

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Post Post #14509 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:54 am

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Ranmaru wrote:What are good ADC's to have? I have been working on my support pool, and I have Sona/Soraka/Janna/Taric (and some others). Now I'm looking to expand on my ADcarries because I only use MF/Teemo. (I might look to expand on Top > Jungling after AD carries in that order)

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Graves/Sivir/Ez(is still going to be good)/Caitlyn/Draven(so you have a hyper carry)

The first four are really easy and good. Draven is just so you have a hyper carry, but he's difficult to get a feel for.
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Post Post #14510 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:19 am

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Graves/Caitlyn/Ashe seem pretty standard for ADC. Cait's good for a poke lane, Graves is good for a burst lane, Ashe can fill any role but does really well in a more passive lane.
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Post Post #14511 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:30 am

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I just got asked to play jungle for a ranked team during Season 3.

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Post Post #14512 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:31 am

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Do you jungle?
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Post Post #14513 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:36 am

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Yeah. Other than adc it's the role I have the most experience with.
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Post Post #14514 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:40 am

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So what's the issue?
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Post Post #14515 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:41 am

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I dunno, I just thought it was interesting. I play jungle casually so I'm gonna have to give myself a crash course in jungling
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Post Post #14516 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:42 am

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Yeah just get some practice in. Probably best to try and practice with the team/some of them, rather than SoloQ, since the communication will be the most important thing.

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Post Post #14517 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:49 am

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Yeah, I've accepted. Anyone have a pretty good roster of junglers I should get good with? Currently, I have:

Know Well:
Alistar, Dr. Mundo, Xin Zhao

Know Decently:
Amumu, Darius, Nautilus

Own But Haven't Played Much:
Evelynn, Gangplank, Hecarim, Jax, Malphite, Maokai, Nunu, Rengar, Riven, Shaco, Shyvana, Skarner, Trundle, Tryndamere, Udyr, Warwick

Not Owned:
Diana, Fiora, Jarvan IV, Jayce, Kha'Zix, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Olaf, Pantheon, Volibear


So... out of the ones I own, which ones are worth practicing? And which of the ones I don't own are worth buying to have in my rota?
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Post Post #14518 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:51 am

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I think Maokai, Nunu, Shyvana and Udyr would be good places to start since you already own them. They seem to be the main ones on the scene atm. I would probably grab Lee Sin and Nocturne as well.

Obviously I'm still low level, but I watch a lot of streams and tourneys and they're the main ones that are effective/get played.

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I do own Cho.

EDIT: I should also say that if this thing doesn't take off or it fizzles out, I'd be interested in getting an actual ranked team together for Season 3.
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Post Post #14520 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:53 am

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Honestly I think JD is on to something. Quality not Quantity in champ selection. If you have 2 unbeatable things, it's better then having a toolbox of par things
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Post Post #14521 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:53 am

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I'd maybe make sure you're good with like 2 CC-heavy junglers, and 2 damage/kill gank heavy junglers. Then perhaps one or two decent counter-junglers. That way you're flexible enough for whatever you'll have to face.
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PJ. wrote:Honestly I think JD is on to something. Quality not Quantity in champ selection. If you have 2 unbeatable things, it's better then having a toolbox of par things


I think 2 is a bit too few.
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Post Post #14524 (ISO) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:20 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:
Know Well:
Alistar, Dr. Mundo, Xin Zhao

Know Decently:
Amumu, Darius, Nautilus

Own But Haven't Played Much:
Evelynn, Gangplank, Hecarim, Jax, Malphite, Maokai, Nunu, Rengar, Riven, Shaco, Shyvana, Skarner, Trundle, Tryndamere, Udyr, Warwick

Not Owned:
Diana, Fiora, Jarvan IV, Jayce, Kha'Zix, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Olaf, Pantheon, Volibear

didn't you also jungle with Singed and carried?
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