The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Zdenek]

Well, CKD since you asked if I'd checked you unvoting and not revoting against your meta, I thought I'd ask to see if you knew what your meta regarding this was.

Looking over your meta, I see you doing this in

Into Africa where you were scum, but it's at post 212.
Open 258 where you were scum (this also answers you question about whether I've seen scum doing this, yes, you, in that game).

You've done it in some games as town, but you seem to revote almost immediately (ie NY 141), unless you are behind in the thread (ie Open 250). You also do it as either alignment late in the day.

I stopped reviewing back games with Mafia on Holy Orders and I did a search of your games for roflcopter, but I couldn't find the one you were talking about.

So considering this meta, it certainly doesn't point to you being town and maybe slightly to scum.

[GreyICE]

Jason counterwagon could not actually be scummier.

[Shmugen]

Teach me your ways, Grey.

[ICEninja]

Do you really think someone will misread when you are using full names? Why did you feel the need to point that specifically?

It was RVS vote, I felt it was obvious. Perhaps context of the pregame topic would help explain this, I made a comment explaining how I've been called GreyICE quite a few times throughout the past year or two and I dreaded the game where I'd actually play with him, for this reason. It was really no different than your vote for Sixty.

Jason counterwagon could not actually be scummier.

Looks like Grey is grumpy that his quicklynch didn't go through.

I'm a little torn about CKD's recent posting. I'm finding myself having a very difficult time following him. I'll be heavily scrutinizing his play.

I don't mind the jason wagon, but I won't be joining just yet.

Still waiting for a response to my vote. The longer I wait, the more suspicious I'll get.

[ICEninja]

I'd like to point out the Konowa had time to post about football today, but didn't address my vote on him, which certainly required minimal reading to reach.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote greenknight

[GreyICE]

Teach me your ways, Grey.

First you must be town.

This would help you.

Alas you are not.

We did rock together in Polite Mafia though~

[GreyICE]

Do you really think someone will misread when you are using full names? Why did you feel the need to point that specifically?

It was RVS vote, I felt it was obvious. Perhaps context of the pregame topic would help explain this, I made a comment explaining how I've been called GreyICE quite a few times throughout the past year or two and I dreaded the game where I'd actually play with him, for this reason. It was really no different than your vote for Sixty.

Jason counterwagon could not actually be scummier.

Looks like Grey is grumpy that his quicklynch didn't go through.

I'm a little torn about CKD's recent posting. I'm finding myself having a very difficult time following him. I'll be heavily scrutinizing his play.

I don't mind the jason wagon, but I won't be joining just yet.

Still waiting for a response to my vote. The longer I wait, the more suspicious I'll get.

Oh I can lynch scum the slow way too, Ninja~

[Klick]

Okay, can you quote the post where you explained it, I guess I am over looking it. I just ISOed and don’t see one.

ICEninja:

Oh I see how it is, the person who makes the most intelligent post thus far gets the votes. You worried, scum, that I might be paying a little extra attention, and want to get rid of me right off the bat?

This post is totally fake. It also sounds nothing like his play from the one Mini game I played with him, where he was town.

what did I do?

If you are curious here is the game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=23549

day one I tunneled on who I thought was scum.

day two I couldn’t vote Klick based on mechanics

day three, I was gone and didn’t have a chance to comment (much)before I was mislynched.

Actually I did question you….and mentioned a couple times I could see you as scum and question your motivations for actions.

This is a lie

Unvote, vote Klick.

Please read the game (it is short) .

You just pointed out the difference yourself. You tunneled on N all Day 1, and didn't question the actions that you're questioning here.

[pidgey]

Exactly how is jason playing in favor of the town, greyICE?

Also iceninja, you kinda did overreacted to the initial votes on you, but i also usually do that too lol.

Who is this albert rampage guy?

[GreyICE]

Exactly how is jason playing in favor of the town, greyICE?

Didn't say he was helping the town.

You need to read better, little Pidgey

[Shmugen]

You're wrong, Grey. Town.

[GreyICE]

You're wrong, Grey. Town.

So many lies

[GreyICE]

okay just one lie

[Shmugen]

Which one? You being wrong, or me being town?

[Shmugen]

Snip snap, by the way.

[GreyICE]

Which one? You being wrong, or me being town?

Yes

[Shmugen]

Lucky for you, the Dresdenverse is full of people who are wrong.

[fatlikepig]

ICENinja is looking less scummy right now, the confusion as to why people were actually wagoning him seems genuine enough. StefanB and Zdenek look pretty town to me right now too.

UNVOTE:

And to create discussion since there was a lot of voting but no discussion. So I did that in the hopes it would get people to talk and it did.

Because you /certainly/ helped out there, didn't you? The "I wanted more discussion but I want /other/ people to do it" attitude here is awful and scummy. I also don't particularly understand the train of thought in saying a) that there /had/ to be scum in the first two spots on his wagon despite the concession that he hadn't been playing like town (which was why he admitted he was an "easy mislynch, etc etc") b) that it would be pro-town play to get both of those players lynched one after the other.

I'd like to hear ABR's justification for his greenknight vote, actually, because I actually quite like #93.

Pidgey's #109 seems contrived (mainly talking about the second line here). Why question who ABR is, too? Is there something you have to say about his play?

[curiouskarmadog]

mod: will be busy the next 2 days and my posting will be light or nothing....doing projects around the house (side note: I am in no way a handy man) . posting in all games..

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.3 - As of post 120

Shmugen (1) - jasonT1981
ICENinja (7) - Zdenek, Konowa, Sixty, StefanB, kortul, GreyICE, Klick
Klick (1) - curiouskarmadog
Konowa (1) - ICENinja
greenknight (1) - Albert B. Rampage
jasonT1981 (4) - Shmugen, Shamrock, pidgey, greenknight

Not Voting (3) - sword_of_omens, Kimor, fatlikepig

The Current deadline is Wednesday, Novemeber 7 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-07 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - sword_of_omens will be prodded at this time Tuesday if he has not posted by then.

Mod Notes -
curiouskarmadog is V/LA til 10-24.

[Kimor]

Hi, folks, I just got around to this game - I was at a board gaming con over the weekend, and I got back later than I thought I would on all 3 nights.

The Klick votes were really, really bad. Really bad. From what I can tell, a lot of it was based on the fact that Kondi was a disliked player, and as a policy, I really feel that is a bad move. People improve, and voting somebody just because they did poorly in a game previously prevents that.


Right now, I'm thinking Pidgey. His posts are rather fillery, and I feel as if his questions are not genuine.

Vote: Pidgey

Not necessarily saying that Klick is town, I'm saying that the wagon is bad.

Mod Note - Kimor has not been prodded since he posted this before I got a chance to send the PM.

[Konowa]

Okay.

Reason for ICEninja vote is because the entire post didn't feel genuine. Meaning it reads as if you typed the entire thing pregame and copy/pasted it without reading the thread. Mostly gut. My read on you has evolved into more of a solid scum now though. Your post after my vote is posturing, trying to force us to have a town read on you by basis of your opening post. Then there's you attempting to paint my non-posting here as somehow scummy, when clearly you saw that I posted twice in the game I am modding in the morning and once later in the evening.

Now, what was strange about my vote and what line of reasoning are you holding onto?

I agree with Zdenek's post 37.
Jason's post 76/77 are bad/OMGUSy.
Shmugen's 83 is missing the point regarding votes on ICEninja. Not sure if intentionally or not.
Kimor's post rubs me entirely the wrong way. Discussing that "Klick wagon" is bad but not actually calling anyone out.
Thread needs more puppy.

[pidgey]

Yeah I agree with Konowa, regarding Komor. Might be a little OMGUS from my part but his point of me is lulzworthy. "y u no genuine!"

Already caught 2 scum, doing well this game.

FLP: People that come in, leave what appears to be a serious vote, and leave without saying anything at all, weird me out.

[ICEninja]

QUICK COMMENT:

greenknight please get an avatar. I remember who posts what more by a glance at the avatar than reading their name. Because of this, I literally cannot remember a single thing you've posted without reading back on it.

Alright, interesting. This Konowa response is actually very telling. I will admit, I did indeed read the rules before the game started, and did indeed decide to point out that day lengths shorten as time goes on before actually making that post. I also decided I would put my RVS vote on GreyICE before the game started as well, for the very reason I pointed out in the pre-game thread.

What I don't understand is how any of that could indicate, in any way shape or form, that I'm scum.

Now here's the real kicker, that gets me. You had already thrown down a random vote. The first one of the game, actually. Then, after my post which was the first one to actually contain ANYTHING more than a random vote or a mod vote, you quickly put a second vote on me after Zdenek throws his random vote on me. Without comment. My reaction to said votes sparked the wagon on me, but now you come back and say that your vote on me was actually the first serious vote of the game.

Yet you said nothing in your entire post except voting me. Isn't it damn convenient that you suddenly now have a scum read on me and jason, who are the easiest targets at this point, without ever having committed to actually finding anything I found scummy? You didn't say why you voted, that it was a serious vote for "actual" reasons, you just threw your vote down.

And yes I am going to paint your absence here as scummy if you're posting elsewhere (especially about things like football). If you remain active then fine, but you already had your vote on me so it's not like scum-Konowa really needs to do much in order to help my lynch along, other than hop in and say "oh yup my vote is actually right where I want it". Which is

exactly

what you did.

None of this adds up to a town mindset, at all.

The one good thing about your post is you point out that Kimor is voting pidgey, and reading his post makes it look like he's voting pidgey because of both a bad Klick vote and filler posts, but pidgey never voted for Klick, and never said anything about his opinion of Kondi.

This does raise my eyebrow, Kimor. Why talk so much about how much you dislike the Klick wagon then vote someone who wasn't on it? In fact, only 2 people have made any reference of policy lynching Klick, and Grey isn't voting for him.