Newbie 1289 - Game Over!

[buldermar]

Tierce - Tierce is always town, except when she isn't. We have a history. I don't flatter myself that I can read her perfectly, but she's by no means today's lynch.
Re: Retards: Wine, wine everyfuckingwhere.
Bul - Town because not scum. POE bitches.
Jason is town because PaperSpirit was and he hasn't done anything to fuck up that read.
BT was :goodposting: all over this game and was a nice voice of sanity. Cheery decided to not do that. Plus river boy was dumb.

If you were expecting :motherfucking walls: like you're fond of, be aware that Tierce and I are from the same school of thought. 'Cept she's better at it.

Let's go over your arguments:
1) Tierce is town because the two of you have history and you read her well (still refusing to declare reasoning your reads)
2) I'm town because I'm not scum (circular reasoning)
3) Jason is town because PaperSpirit was (devoid of reasons)
4) BT was goodpost (devoid of examples)
5) An insulting remark about my posts

If you were expecting ad hominem remarks like you're fond of I wouldn't want to disappoint you; you're not permitted insulting others by virtue of being an established player, so you can take my motherfucking wall and stick it up where the sun doesn't shine.

[Xalxe]

Your superiority complex is really quite irksome.

[buldermar]

Your superiority complex is really quite irksome.

This is my final response to a post of yours or anything that resembles your opinion on any matter related directly or indirectly to this game in any shape or form, including but not limited to quotes of your posts, paraphrases and the like. I will not tolerate your insults, no matter the amount of posts or friends you've made on this forum. Goodbye and good night.

[Cheery Dog]

I just had a quick look at the cheaters posts, and it appears they have a large ego they wanted to fill, they kept just saying they (as their other slot) had good points.

So yes I'm fine calling them an egotistical idiot, and will be looking at possible lynches from the other 4 slots. I'll actually have a look over them now.

I can't really be bothered with reading all of buldermar's walls, so I'll stick with that town read other people have given him. I don't see any scum writing out that much to make their points.

I know this looks like a scummy move, especially to Delta's eyes as I'm backing off the buldermar lynch and not voting on Delta. Frankly, I do not have a solid scum read at this point and as I said, I don't want to vote on somebody who I do not think is scum.

Why is not voting on delta a scummy move to delta's eyes?

I don't see Tierce as scum working that hard on getting delta lynched and then backing off Leon/me after delta flipped town. If scum, she would have known delta was town and would therefore have continued with the plans of lynching leon/me.

I'm also unsure of Vendetta, but since they've been replaced I can't ask anything about what they've said, though nothing stands out as making them obvscum, so they're only my second guess via PoE.
I'm yet to get any read on Xalxe's play.

[Cheery Dog]

in case that wasn't clear, Airick is now my main suspect, with that post I just quoted as my current reasoning.

[Xalxe]

I was thinking about this last night, and about why RedRabbit was killed. There was no reason that I could see for him to be nightkilled, so I figured that it was due to his reads. And lookie at this post:

Ok, I'm buying it. I still have a scum read on ovyo/Mr.JamesWatson/Leonshade, (stronger than before), but I'll join your wagon in order to get the lynch today.


UNVOTE: ovyo
VOTE: DeltaBacon.

Note: DeltaBacon is now L-1.

Leonshade and Tierce were his scumreads. I'm thinking that this coupled with the lovely wine makes for an interesting case. And by that I mean VOTE: Leonshade

[Cheery Dog]

Besides their second post and a pressure vote regarding a vote Tierce placed, I can't see Tierce as one of redrabbit's scumreads, am I missing something?

[Xalxe]

That was it, mostly. Not as strong, but I need to check into who suspected Tierce. If she is scum, she likes to off those who suspect her. But like I said, she's not the play for today.

[Tierce]

If

[Tierce]

is scum, she likes to off those who suspect her.

*squint*

You know my scum-kill meta and that's not it.

[Xalxe]

Since when?

[Tierce]

Since ever.

[Xalxe]

Can't...meta...on phone...

[Tierce]

It's simple enough, I kill obvtown and people I suspect of being PRs.

[Leonshade]

Airick needs to start posting, that slot needs to get more active and this game has already had more than enough replacements.

I can't really be bothered with reading all of buldermar's walls, so I'll stick with that town read other people have given him. I don't see any scum writing out that much to make their points.

I think Buldermar's word count is a tell about his personality, not alignment. I wouldn't write him off just because he likes writing a lot.

Your superiority complex is really quite irksome.

This is my final response to a post of yours or anything that resembles your opinion on any matter related directly or indirectly to this game in any shape or form, including but not limited to quotes of your posts, paraphrases and the like. I will not tolerate your insults, no matter the amount of posts or friends you've made on this forum. Goodbye and good night.

While I understand what you're doing, I don't think this is going to be possible while still trying to play to your win condition.

[Airick10]

Sorry for the inactivity. I've been bogged down with work and go home late last night.

I agree that many N1 kills are for on the IC on the game, just added in the newb factor. buldermar, correct me if I'm wrong, would the mod mention if a player was not killed due to protection during the night or not? You're correct that is a possibility as well.

But i'm kinda confused with the kill, Tierce is leading the charge mostly in this game so most scum would have likely killed her (not to mention she is the IC that is like newb kill central) yet she is still alive, which makes me concerned for 3 reasons
1) The obv-town read on my slot may not be from experience but a mix of experience and prior knowledge
2) That she lead a lynch on Delta, even though she said it was more likely to be scum in CD/Leon
3) Is steering as far away from a CD/Leon lynch in her recent posting.

These are excellent points and I'm troubled that Tierce's only response to this is saying that yes, she led a mislynch yesterday. It's not a requirement to defend poitns against you, and I don't always look into that. But it's another thing to not say anything wishing it goes away, which it has to some degree.

Tierce - Tierce is always town, except when she isn't. We have a history. I don't flatter myself that I can read her perfectly, but she's by no means today's lynch.

I'm not going to say Tierce is today's lynch. But implying that there is a history and that you can read her perfectly does not mean much to me in this game. Reading through this, I'm sure you can see this is quite a unique game. I'm not convinced you are town or Tierce is town just because you two have a history.

Responding to your vote on Leonshade, one of the primary scum reads was going to be on Leonshade anyway coming into D2. Scum would have to expect that, so what makes RedRabbit special enough?

Why is not voting on delta a scummy move to delta's eyes?

Refer to post #255. Delta says he is playing scummy to lure scum to defend him. His theory was that since buldermar had the other votes, scum most likely lies between them all (vendetta, myself, CD, and Leonshade).

My vote was on buldermar due to his request to Tierce to replace out of the game which I thought was quite a scummy move. I explained in my post #271 that I accepted his response and did not continue with the request on Tierce. So I unvoted.

I unvoted buldermar (off Delta's suspecion list in his eyes) and always believed Delta to be town (defending him). Thus, I would imagine in Delta's eyes my unvote was a scummy move.

[Airick10]

Tierce or mod (whoever can answer this) - since vendetta was replaced during the night, let's say vendetta had a night action available. Would vendetta or Xalxe have the chance to perform the night action? If it was vendetta, then I can assume he was inactive and did not do any night action?

[Xalxe]

Tierce or mod (whoever can answer this) - since vendetta was replaced during the night, let's say vendetta had a night action available. Would vendetta or Xalxe have the chance to perform the night action? If it was vendetta, then I can assume he was inactive and did not do any night action?

Vendetta was not replaced during the night. Day had started.

[Leonshade]

The mod wouldn't mention it if someone got protected during the night. The next day would just start with no deaths.

[Leonshade]

The mod wouldn't mention it if someone got protected during the night. The next day would just start with no deaths.

[Xalxe]

I'm not going to say Tierce is today's lynch. But implying that there is a history and that you can read her perfectly does not mean much to me in this game. Reading through this, I'm sure you can see this is quite a unique game. I'm not convinced you are town or Tierce is town just because you two have a history.

Responding to your vote on Leonshade, one of the primary scum reads was going to be on Leonshade anyway coming into D2. Scum would have to expect that, so what makes RedRabbit special enough?

I would disagree with this. Leonshade/Cheery Dog were lynch targets, according to Tierce, if (and apparently only if) Deltabacon was scum. He was not.

Either way, RR was killed for a REASON and I'm trying to ferret that out. If you don't think it was his reads, what was it?

[Leonshade]

Sorry about the double-post, Firefox screwed up.

[izakthegoomba]

Tierce or mod (whoever can answer this) - since vendetta was replaced during the night, let's say vendetta had a night action available. Would vendetta or Xalxe have the chance to perform the night action? If it was vendetta, then I can assume he was inactive and did not do any night action?

Vendetta21 occupied the slot during Night 1; if the slot's role can use a night action, it would have been Vendetta's responsibility to submit it.

[Airick10]

Thanks for the answers.

RedRabbit's focus was on Delta's alignment theory. According to Delta's read, vendetta, myself, CD, and Leonshade were scum since they never came to defend him due to our votes on buldermar. Delta showed his hand.

RedRabbit's take in post #312 says because of Delta's announcement, scum will jump over to the Delta bandwagon. More specifically one scum will jump, one will stay.

The final results read that CD and Leonshade switched to Delta and voted him. vendetta stayed on buldermar and I unvoted. According to Delta's theory, scum would split one voting for Delta and one voting (or was voting) for buldermar. That leaves CD or Leonshade as scum and vendetta or myself as scum.

To answer your question on why I think RedRabbit was killed, he already had a bigger scumread on Leonshade. Perhaps your theory of Leonshade killing him as a result of this is correct. But because scum would know we are asking this question (why was RedRabbit killed), we would easily look to the Leonshade read RedRabbit had and lynch another townie. Since CD and Leonshade both moved over to the Delta lynch, that would leave CD as scum. You can read into that, or it can be looked at as a WIFOM argument.

Since Delta turned town, I will go along with his theory and try to find one scum. Since I am town, I will vote for the other half of the buldermar/unvote group.

Vote: Xalxe

I will have to assume vendetta did not perform any night action, but his partner obviously is in tune to the Delta & RedRabbit alignment discussion.

[buldermar]

Your superiority complex is really quite irksome.

This is my final response to a post of yours or anything that resembles your opinion on any matter related directly or indirectly to this game in any shape or form, including but not limited to quotes of your posts, paraphrases and the like. I will not tolerate your insults, no matter the amount of posts or friends you've made on this forum. Goodbye and good night.

While I understand what you're doing, I don't think this is going to be possible while still trying to play to your win condition.

Don't even try to go there.

[Xalxe]

buldermar, what do you think of my theory re: RR's death?