League of Legends (Old)

[quadz08]

So I did the taric jungling.

It's fairly meh. No real effect lategame; he doesn't scale well enough, and doesn't have enough utility in lategame teamfights to be worth the farm he gets in the jungle. He does become a solidly tanky champ with fairly low cooldowns and the ability to save carries getting chased down, so he's not awful, but he's not really special, either. *shrug*

Needs moar mummy

I am 100% aware that mummy is da best. This was a FUN EXPERIMENT.

Also, speaking of experiments, I tried jungling Skarner last night. I started regrowth+pot, got a decent leash on blue, and still died at red. Is this a rune issue, or did I just pop my health pot at a bad spot, or what? (I run AP quints, AS reds, armor yellows, CDR blues. I don't play often enough to spend IP on runepages.)

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't play Skarner, but that sounds like it should be fine for runes. Did you try to take red before your smite was off cooldown? That seems to be the culprit in a lot of cases like this.

Edit: If not that, I'd guess it involved misusing your w.

[Knight of Cydonia]

That's not a rune issue. I run MPen Red, Armor yellows, MR blues and health quints and can go Blue -> Wolves -> Wraiths -> Red easily. And yeah, definitely make sure to time it so that you get smite back up - the problem ironically enough may have been that you got TOO hard a leash.

[quadz08]

Maybe the issues was that I hit golems first instead of going straight to red. (Most junglers I play don't have smite back up until after I take golems, so I'm used to that path.)

[Glork]

By the time red lizard is at 490 HP, smite should be up again.

[DeathRowKitty]

^ Yeah, I've never had issues with that on any jungler.


So...anyone that plays a lot of solo queue...how do you convince teammates to buy wards?

[mykonian]

not. You do it yourself and because you do you get to a higher elo where others do it as well

[quadz08]

I hit red buff with > 20 seconds left before smite is up on my main junglers. It doesn't take me 20 seconds to get red buff to 500 hp.

[DeathRowKitty]

I meant I always have smite up for red after taking golems. Should have made that more clear.

[Knight of Cydonia]

^ Yeah, I've never had issues with that on any jungler.


So...anyone that plays a lot of solo queue...how do you convince teammates to buy wards?

Polite cajoling until either they do it, or you give up and do so yourself. Whenever I mid in solo queue I buy pinks for dragon simply because I know 9/10 bot lanes don't give a fuck about anything but themselves and you'll be lucky to get a green in their river brush.

[kdowns]

I hit red buff with > 20 seconds left before smite is up on my main junglers. It doesn't take me 20 seconds to get red buff to 500 hp.

It's why I go do Golems before Lizard

[quadz08]

>_>

I also usually do Golems before Lizard, because smite is still on CD before I take golems.

I was trying to say that when jungling skarner, perhaps it makes more sense to go straight to red after wraiths? I don't remember how much time was left on smite after wraiths.

[hitogoroshi]

Quadz, I think your issue is that you're not going back to wolves, judging from the times you're giving.

Remember, if you kills wolves BEFORE you take blue, if you walk to wolves right after wraiths they'll come up right as you're walking there. So it's wolves -> blue/smite -> wraiths -> WOLVES -> red/smite -> golems

[quadz08]

Ah yeah, I typically don't go back to wolves until after red. Is going back to wolves really a typical jungle path? It seems inefficient.

[mykonian]

I think it is, yes. And it isn't so much inefficient as golems are annoying for most junglers. All the aoe junglers clear wolves and wraiths with much less trouble. Golems get you low, and even with mummy going to red via golems is going to hurt a lot.

The best route though is: wolves > blue > red > wolves > wraiths > red > golems.

[hitogoroshi]

Ah yeah, I typically don't go back to wolves until after red. Is going back to wolves really a typical jungle path? It seems inefficient.

It's actually the standard path on most junglers, yeah. It's called a "full clear" because, as long as your leashers don't leech any xp, you JUST hit level four without masteries after golems, which leaves you with double buffs and level 4 ready to gank. I don't think a faster route really exists unless you counterjungle.

Myko, I think red stealing is pretty situational and I wouldn't call it a route exactly. (Unless you're running the bro combo.)

[quadz08]

Huh. You learn something new every day.

[mykonian]

at my elo (which is around 1200) people still assume there won't be any invasion going on at any point. Meaning that as mummy, unless you have a very speedy opponent (kayle did that almost, once), or champs with a red start or different route (mao with wraith start), you can safely run to their red (ms quints might help me there a bit), do it quickly and run away via top without any response.

I think (believe, hope?) quadz plays generally against worse or equal opponents then I do, so it might be something worth a try.

And sure, it can get countered very easily. Wards shut it down really hard, but people aren't going to ward their red against a mummy in the range of 1400 and lower. Taking a look at red before doing wraiths as the opponent works too, but apart from the earlier mentioned kayle, nobody bothered.

Esspecially against the more tanky junglers it's definately worth a try. You know a nautilus or a malphite or anything like that simply won't be fast enough to get to red before you've done it. All that remains is that you do get a bit low, so a good pull is preferred.

[PJ.]

^ Yeah, I've never had issues with that on any jungler.


So...anyone that plays a lot of solo queue...how do you convince teammates to buy wards?

well..You politely inform them that they are getting camped by the jungler and whisper sweetly in their ear that wards might be a really good choice, perhaps even two while you stroke them into not rage quitting. If it's an objective issue, you should politely inform the team that x objective needs warding while running over there with your own ward, probably getting caught in the process, and slamming it down on the empty pit the objective was in.

[DeathRowKitty]

Thanks, Muk. I luv u <3

[dramonic]

I don't think a faster route really exists unless you counterjungle.

wolve->blue->wraith->golem->red->wraith gets you to 4 as well I think?

[quadz08]

I must be doing something very wrong; I almost never hit 4 before I have to go back, I don't think. >_> I'll take a look next time I jungle.

[Nikanor]

golems are op, need nerf

[Bub Bidderskins]

All of this jungle talk will be obsolete when the re-remake rolls around.

[quadz08]

True. >_>