The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[GreyICE]

Sorry, but this is still bothering me..
GreyICE, can you please explain what you meant by his statement?
it seems like a contradiction to me...

And now the people who speed voted him {Icenin} for being OBVIOUS SCUM are coming in to jump on the Jason wagon with the worst reasoning ever

also,

Then I believe your claim. Morty would would be town aligned, a neutral survivor at WORST, and you described him without being familiar with the series. It was a trick question, sparked by your not knowing what an ectomancer is.

don't mean to burst your bubble about Jason, but seeing as this is an MOI game, I would certainly think that scum have full fake-claims complete with fake role pm’s and abilities. Not sure how Jason’s ability would be provable either.

My post was made before Jason's herpaderp claim, as I recall. I don't remember saying I gave a shit about role claims anywhere.

[GreyICE]

Need a summary post...or it will take me a long time to catch up.

Vote ICENinja.

Lynch scum day 1.

Party.

[sword_of_omens]

@GreyICE
huh? read my post, I was talking to ICEnin about the role-claim issue...

my question to you had nothing to do with Jason's role-claim.
I wanted you to explain what you meant by your statement. From what i understood, you were saying that votes on Jason were just as bad as the votes on ICEnin . Which obviously doesn't make sense if ICEnin was your scum pick.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE
huh? read my post, I was talking to ICEnin about the role-claim issue...

my question to you had nothing to do with Jason's role-claim.
I wanted you to explain what you meant by your statement. From what i understood, you were saying that votes on Jason were just as bad as the votes on ICEnin . Which obviously doesn't make sense if ICEnin was your scum pick.

ICENinja is obvious scum. Read the first few pages. People jump on.

First opportunity when they see the momentum isn't going to hold, they jump off for Jason, who did basically nothing scummy (obstinate? Yes. Obstinate town? Yes).

Are these his scumbuddies who would rather be on the wagon of their buddy if it looks like he's busy screwing the pooch (which he is and was) and then jumped ship for Jason ASAP because scum lynch day 1 sucks? Yes. Guarantee you that that will be fertile ground for lynching when ICENinja is flipped scum.

[GreyICE]

Seriously, look at this list:

ICENinja (8) - Zdenek, Konowa, Sixty, StefanB, kortul, GreyICE, Klick, fatlikepig
ICENinja (5) - Zdenek, Sixty, Klick, GreyICE, Konowa

Jumped ship: Fatlikepig, StefanB, Kortul

Which ones of these do you have good feelings about? Kortul's pretty much outed scum if ICENinja is red, and the other two are bad.

Yes, I'm sure he has buddies who are not posting or just off doing their own thing or whatever, but I think you can dunk ICENinja and Kortul, then go back and clean up Shmugen and CKD (who is now AWOL) and get probably 2-4 scumflips (and I'm leaning at least 3).

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay I here, going to catch up on the game.

Reading from page 6…typing as I read.

@ICEninja

@CKD

- looked through your links, convincing. Would like to hear your answer to my question in 135 too.

for those who played with ABR before - is it his usual playing style?

@CKD

- hmm, let's try again, i will ask differently. Klick voted ICEninja, gave post #16 as a reason, and you asked him about it. Klick answered "It was bad". That was 7th vote on ICEninja, did you really thought his vote wasn't serious? ("what was bad about it" is more correct question, but by the time you asked that, Klick already explained that in his post 47)

I don’t remember what I was thinking (that was obvious) I did want to know what was bad about it. Just went back to see what exactly happened. Apparently I didn’t see that part of the post. So his reasoning was “he felt the post was fake”. Doesn’t seem that far fetched. Originally I thought it was a bullshit vote (from klick) and thought he was avoiding my questioning. This was indeed not the case. I don’t know if this actually answers your question or not. If it hasn’t please ask again.

Unvote Klick

.

In reference to ABR, I have played with him 3 (maybe more) times. The last two times, he was aggressive to the point of being an asshole to everyone, makes strange/rash/odd ball votes on people and will change his vote on a dime. He was town in these games. I don’t think I have seen him play this way. That being said, if he is busy he is busy…I need to check to see if he was not posting in other games.

Both ICE guys are town. Kortul is probably town. CKD wants me to read through a ton of stuff that I haven't done yet.

not asking you to read it...only read it if you think my unvote without a vote was "unusual" or scummy.

I am Mortimer Lindquist, an Ectomancer

(whatever that is lol)

I used to live a world of magic but no longer do as I left it a long time ago, however I can channel the dead who have not been dead for more than one day cycle...and choose to open a QT to the dead and talk to a dead person at for that one day. this is my active night action.. because I used to be involved in magic, I just have enough power left to do this once. this is called 'channeling'

Not to be rude, but I don’t think Jason can fake this. So I don’t think he is the lynch today. I am interested in seeing this "role" work, if it is true, this could be valuable!

In his most recent post, Grey also made a potentially HUGE slip:

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

Scum having daytalk is not a common power for scum to have. The only reason I could possibly think of why you'd assume this is because you know for a fact that scum have daytalk and slipped.

What the shit? I didn’t catch this before…Grey, why do you think this game has day talk?

vote GreyIce

this looks like a slip to me.

@ICEninja

- regarding 210, read Grey in Dr. Who game, for example.

My time is so limited…what happens in this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

Seriously, look at this list:

ICENinja (8) - Zdenek, Konowa, Sixty, StefanB, kortul, GreyICE, Klick, fatlikepig
ICENinja (5) - Zdenek, Sixty, Klick, GreyICE, Konowa

Jumped ship: Fatlikepig, StefanB, Kortul

Which ones of these do you have good feelings about? Kortul's pretty much outed scum if ICENinja is red, and the other two are bad.

Yes, I'm sure he has buddies who are not posting or just off doing their own thing or whatever, but I think you can dunk ICENinja and Kortul, then go back and clean up Shmugen and CKD (who is now AWOL)

did you check to see if I was posting anywhere else on site? did you check the other 3? why did you not mention ABR?

[StefanB]

Looks at GreyIce, hm.
Okay slowly a bit.
You have so many scum now at the moment?
Good, anythink else on Kortul besides the connection?
Why are you calling me and Faitlip bad but we are not on your scumlist?

Your post 254 should probably not beeing rewarded, but there is IceNinja, who is switching between looking totally fake and (sorry) beeing an idiot.



Post 0-1, look at the beginning.

Post 2: Hello arogance, The Klickvote.

Post 3: Selfmeta

Post 5: Again bigger tread (nope even if town, probably not). Show don't tell.

Post 6: Well one of IceNinjas best post, null and why runing in the problem which isn't a problem for 2 weeks?

Post 7: Read the post again. The second point of Jason beeing sure of the Shamrocklynch, anyone else feeling this is not a scumtell but a personalitytell? And also again the nonproblem.

Iso 9: Another week push against Kinowa (posted a quick post somewhere else)

Iso 10: The random vote, nope nobody beside IceNinja thought that would be random.

Post 17: the lie (revote 3 times) How experienced is IceNinja??? Sorry but this is one of the first thinks you learn. A misunderstanding, miscount or factional error, needs motive and intent behind it, to be a lie and is mostly nothink this is so easy missproved.

Post 18 and 19 are more of the same, we allready had.

Then his reaction to Jasons claim. Okay this one feels so fake and if town, would be shame. Fakeclaims plus modpreferenz should we believe that IceNinja has never even looked at a themegame before?
Sorry but this sound like he is beliving the more logical fakeclaims based on flavour.
Congratulation either scum or dangerous for town. What do you want to be IceNinja.

Then the push on Greenknight, with the avatar...

I don't know if scum has daytalk. It is a posibility. (I had it the one time I was scum in a themed game) So assumption okay. Anyone else did read Grey post as a slip?

And that was of his Iso and not liking Greys posts and playstile, but he get's that vote.

Unvote

Vote: IceNinja

[fatlikepig]

Huh? Am I missing something?

Apparently I misread Jason's claim. My bad.

Getting bad vibes from greenknight's #206 - agreeing with someone and then repeating what he says seems bandwagon-y to me. More gut though.

Don't really read GreyICE's post as a slip, scum having daytalk doesn't seem to be an /unreasonable/ assumption to make.

Sorry for not being very thorough, exams are coming up and studying is taking up a disproportionate amount of my time. D:

[ICEninja]

MOI's last game..i've linked the page at the end for you.

Alright...MoI in that game intentionally seeded major characters as fake claims. This scares the shit out of me. I'm no longer dead sold on jason's innocence, thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Theme games are a lot scarier than normals >_>.

Nah. You called me out for saying you panicked and switched your vote three times when you actually

panicked and switched your vote

scum hunted and used my votes to gain reads on players

twice.

Fixed. Because otherwise you'd basically be saying the correct town response to pressure on me would be to maintain my random vote. No, you outright lied about the number of times I switched my vote (OK maybe it's possible you just remembered wrong, but that means you really had no clue where my votes were, which means you're not really paying enough attention to me to know much about my alignment anyway, so STILL SCUM because if you were town you'd be thoroughly reading my posts), and BADLY misrepresented what my vote switches were.

Completely happy with my vote.

So am I, and at least I'm not faking it.


I may be remembering this incorrectly, but I seem to recall starting a game with ABR and he replaced out within the first few pages due to being too busy to play.

Fakeclaims plus modpreferenz should we believe that IceNinja has never even looked at a themegame before?

This is indeed my first theme game. I never knew that mods provided scum with fake claims.

I don't know if scum has daytalk. It is a posibility. (I had it the one time I was scum in a themed game) So assumption okay.

I would be AMAZED if having daytalk was the norm. Having it sometimes is one thing, but automatically ASSUMING that scum have daytalk as town?

NOPE!

That's scum who knows.

Seriously, how are people OK with the fact that Grey outed that scum have daytalk? If someone can prove to me that a significant majority (not 50/50, NO decent town player is going to assume if it's that low, I'm talking 3/4ths or more) of theme games give scum daytalk then fine. But otherwise, anyone who is going to just let him off the hook for that is crazy.

[Klick]

Wait, can someone explain in simple terms what the potential slip Grey did is?

[GreyICE]

What the shit? I didn’t catch this before…Grey, why do you think this game has day talk?

vote GreyIce

this looks like a slip to me.

When ICENinja flips scum I'm hanging you from the rafters. Fuck Kortul, you die.

[GreyICE]

Wait, can someone explain in simple terms what the potential slip Grey did is?

Apparently ICENinja's scumbuddy thinks that because I referenced a quicktopic that I know scum have daytalk because I'm scum, and that therefore I was criticizing ICENinja for not posting in our joint QT enough. Or something. It didn't make much sense, and this is the second time CKD has shown up to vote for a counterwagon to ICENinja without saying a goddamn thing about how ICENinja is playing.

Then there's this:

also

unvote

random vote.

He probably should just be lynched for that alone, tbh.

[curiouskarmadog]

also

unvote

random vote.

He probably should just be lynched for that alone, tbh.

now you say this?.....interesting...tell me why I should be lynched based on that? I take it you didnt bother reading any of the games that I or Zden posted, so tell me what is scummy about this? and why all of the sudden do you say this now?

[GreyICE]

"Oh it's just a random vote, tee hee, don't mind me, I'm just being inoffensive.
Oh my scumbuddy is being wagoned, don't mind me, I'll just vote Jason because 'scummy to complain about how others are voting, when you are voting the same person that the people you are complaining about voted.'"
Oh he's still being wagoned, and no one is on Jason anymore? Wait, and people are going after my buddy? BETTER GRAB THE CHAINSAWS PEOPLE, I'M GONNA CHOP FOR HIM!"

Hey, CKD, you realize you haven't ONCE said ANYTHING about ICENinja. At all. Apparently you haven't even read his posts. Why don't you rectify that, ckd? Tell me what you think of his posts, ckd? Why is he such a strong town read that you're willing to chainsaw so heavily for him, ckd?

[Klick]

Hmm.

Most of the Large Theme games that Grey has been in recently had Daytalk in them. It's not a slip.

This game is #2 in my catch-up list.

[curiouskarmadog]

"Oh it's just a random vote, tee hee, don't mind me, I'm just being inoffensive.
Oh my scumbuddy is being wagoned, don't mind me, I'll just vote Jason because 'scummy to complain about how others are voting, when you are voting the same person that the people you are complaining about voted.'"
Oh he's still being wagoned, and no one is on Jason anymore? Wait, and people are going after my buddy? BETTER GRAB THE CHAINSAWS PEOPLE, I'M GONNA CHOP FOR HIM!"

Hey, CKD, you realize you haven't ONCE said ANYTHING about ICENinja. At all. Apparently you haven't even read his posts. Why don't you rectify that, ckd? Tell me what you think of his posts, ckd? Why is he such a strong town read that you're willing to chainsaw so heavily for him, ckd?

sure I will reread him....noticed you didnt comment on your scum slip and reason for my vote.

what makes you think scum have day talk? if I looked at your past 3 games, did the scum in those games have day talk?

[ICEninja]

Apparently ICENinja's scumbuddy thinks that because I referenced a quicktopic that I know scum have daytalk because I'm scum, and that therefore I was criticizing ICENinja for not posting in our joint QT enough. Or something. It didn't make much sense

Oh so now you're going to play this off like I'm a moron who doesn't make sense.

So you're going to accuse me of waiting for someone in a QT to respond. And you're also accusing me of being scum. Is there ANY reasonable way to interpret this other than "you're not getting help from your scum buddy via daytalk"? ANY WAY AT ALL?

If no, then how can I not be suspicious at you automatically knowing that scum has day talk?

It's as simple as that. That didn't even look like an assumption, looked a hell of a lot more like you accusing me of exactly what was going on with you.

Grey has repeatedly refused to acknowledge the scummy things he's done, pushes people for no or stupid reasons (the fact that he's STILL on CKD for his unvote after meta shows this as normal play for him is LAUGHABLE), and fails to contribute to the game despite posting frequently.

There are not enough Grey votes.

[GreyICE]

"Oh it's just a random vote, tee hee, don't mind me, I'm just being inoffensive.
Oh my scumbuddy is being wagoned, don't mind me, I'll just vote Jason because 'scummy to complain about how others are voting, when you are voting the same person that the people you are complaining about voted.'"
Oh he's still being wagoned, and no one is on Jason anymore? Wait, and people are going after my buddy? BETTER GRAB THE CHAINSAWS PEOPLE, I'M GONNA CHOP FOR HIM!"

Hey, CKD, you realize you haven't ONCE said ANYTHING about ICENinja. At all. Apparently you haven't even read his posts. Why don't you rectify that, ckd? Tell me what you think of his posts, ckd? Why is he such a strong town read that you're willing to chainsaw so heavily for him, ckd?

sure I will reread him....noticed you didnt comment on your scum slip and reason for my vote.

what makes you think scum have day talk? if I looked at your past 3 games, did the scum in those games have day talk?

Why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk?

I was talking about him being scum, you dumb shit.

I like how ICENinja has jumped on this now too.

CKD/ICENinja.

Two scum flips.

Do it.

[Shamrock]

ICENinja's Grey vote is pretty consistent with how he's been playing. His posts are all really dumb but I have trouble seeing scum motivation behind them.

CKD's Grey vote, on the other hand, is actually scummy. The daytalk thing is an absurdly weak thing to jump on.

Yes, I know this is a double standard.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

[Shamrock]

Also, why are people (and not just ICENinja) just instinctively believing Jason's claim? Is the idea of fakeclaims really new to you people?

[Shmugen]

To be fair, daytalk seems like the norm. The only game I've paid attention to lately that didn't have it in some form was Otherworld Mafia.

As far as Jason's claim goes, it sounds about right for the character, especially the early books. The only reason I have to disbelieve the claim is that so long as Jason lives, there's a one cycle delay on

anyone

getting into the deadthread, which seems like more trouble than it's worth.

Unvote, Vote: CKD

. I think Grey is wrong about ICENinja. I think Grey may actually be on to something with CKD.

[ICEninja]

Why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk?

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

I don't see what else you could have possibly meant.

Also, why are people (and not just ICENinja) just instinctively believing Jason's claim? Is the idea of fakeclaims really new to you people?

Note the top of my 259, actually.

[Shmugen]

Hm. I don't like CKD's responses to Grey at all, hence the vote, but they were sparked under the idea that Grey thinks ICE is scum as well, which I don't agree with.

[Sixty]

Woof. We've been a tired and harried puppy recently.

The short story is: ICEninja is Town, everyone pushing on him is wrong at best and mentally challenged at worst, and GreyICE's screamo went way over the line from barely believable to cheesy as of post 262.

We disagree that GreyICE slipped but that's irrelevant.

Vote: GreyICE

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