The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[pidgey]

Id link you right now but im lazy.

I have seen scum having docs, cops, and other shit of the sort. Though I take balance into account, powers in itself are no sort of compensation to me, especially in a balanced game.

Also SoO is acting exactly as id expect him to be in the top of his town games and i have no reason to suspect him as of right now.

[pidgey]

meant bastard over balance lol

[Sixty]

Why is this more worthy of attention than the points we have raised so far, which you have by and large ignored?

Because your case on Grey right now is really just, "Grey is scum", and there's nothing else I take issue with.

You mean he's

not

scum? o:

There's not a lot to explain. His pushes on ICEninja and ckd have basically been attacking his attackers while capitalizing on the dumb things they've said. He's twisting everything they've done into scumtells even when it's implausible to do so, and if GreyICE were Town he would actually be considering the existence of life outside his little tunnel.

But more urgently, since you've changed your avvy, NOW what are we supposed to call you?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.10 - As of post 378

GreyIce (3) - ICENinja, curiouskarmadog, Sixty
kortul (1) - Kimor
ICENinja (3) - Zdenek, Klick, GreyICE
Kimor (5) - Albert B. Rampage, kortul, Konowa, StefanB, Shmugen
curiouskarmadog (3) - Shamrock, fatlikepig, greenknight
Albert B. Rampage (1) - jasonT1981
jasonT1981 (2) - pidgey, sword_of_omens

The Current deadline is Wednesday, Novemeber 7 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-07 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

Mod Notes -
fatlikepig is V/LA til Nov 1st.
Kimor is V/LA currently for Hurricane Sandy. Godspeed Kimor!

[GreyICE]

Why is this more worthy of attention than the points we have raised so far, which you have by and large ignored?

Because your case on Grey right now is really just, "Grey is scum", and there's nothing else I take issue with.

You mean he's

not

scum? o:

There's not a lot to explain. His pushes on ICEninja and ckd have basically been attacking his attackers while capitalizing on the dumb things they've said. He's twisting everything they've done into scumtells even when it's implausible to do so, and if GreyICE were Town he would actually be considering the existence of life outside his little tunnel.

But more urgently, since you've changed your avvy, NOW what are we supposed to call you?

Uh, Vi, would you like to take a second to review your answer before you type it?

I was pushing ICENinja from LONG before he mentioned me. Aeons before. I think I wanted him dead from page 3. He eventually came about to attacking me - attacking his attacker. Are you aware of this, Vi?

As for CKD. Yes. His sole contribution to the game is to attack me with the worst "scumslip" ever found in mafiascum history. That's pretty sad. You even claim to not believe it. While supporting him and ICENinja of course. Are you saying that you think he's town?

Would you like a second to come up with a better reason for your vote?

P.S. Someone once told me that "the people attacking you are a fertile lynching field." She's gone now, but the advice remains actually fairly solid.

Edited for language issue.

[jasonT1981]

my god your still ranting about the claim?

plain and simple, I didn't have my PM open when I posted that. I thought at the time it was use at any time until it was pointed out to me. I should have taken the time to relook at my PM and double check. I didn't, in a hurry I posted.

[Konowa]

So I had a post and it got eaten somehow? Don't feel like restyling right now so I'll paraphrase.

Scum - sword, Kimor, ckd

[StefanB]

A memo for your future scum games - don't poke sleeping puppies.

Oh the puppy is getting awake now, good.
But can any of you tell me to why I would be as scum stupid enough to try to wake the dragon ah puppy?
I have tons of respect for Tierce and here she is hydraing with the legendary Vi.
So I will say *poke, poke, poke*, because that is actually good for my wincon, if the puppy is town.
I have overeacted about Jason and will not say more about it. I can say that I am currently at the opinion, if you don't believe in a claim (really don't believe in it) lynch it. Why should be obvious to at last one player. And Jason was claiming nightaction/dayaction....
About IceNinja, I am afraid of him, I admit that. If you get me to L-2 Sixty you will learn more.

Btw: Hope everyone in the game is okay.

So you're going to act defensive over a scum read with no actual votes on you... and not actually answer Sixty's point about bandwagoning?

Sorry I didn't answer that point because I have perhaps not been as good as I should be, mea culpa.
What do you exspect about it:
a) I have my own points, sometimes I am just to slow.
b) I have not given my best to the game, should be better.
c) Trying to explain and answer to points against me. This is just polite and as long as this is not rolefishing I have nothink to hide.
d) I want this puppy in the game, this is worth a lot.
e) c wasn't a softclaim. That my character is evil, was.

Kinowa: Kimor, CKD yes.
I am suspicious of our puppy, because I should have this as null, imposible to read , but as townie-town (even if they are scum)

[Konowa]

That is something else I wanted to say.

Lack of posting from Sixty has me a bit worried, given town activity levels and contributions I've seen recently. Not telling of alignment though, I think.

[Sixty]

I am suspicious of our puppy, because I should have this as null, imposible to read , but as townie-town (even if they are scum)

This is harder to understand than most.

Are you saying that you should have us as null and yet have us as obvTown?
Why should you have us as null? It seems things are working as they should--we are Town and you are reading us as such, so what is there to be suspicious about?

Or are you saying you should have us as obvTown and are instead reading us as null?
If so, you're not trying hard enough. Read our posts.


GreyICE is still full of etc. When Town, GreyICE actually shows some semblance of reasoning. Unlike some players who do it regardless of alignment (MoI and Thor for one), Grey-Town does not argue just to win arguments. The way he is behaving around ICEninja in particular is especially indicative of this, as he keeps distorting everything ICEninja says as having scum intent, when it is very clear, should he back off for a moment (which Town Grey does, that :ANGER: is a pretty façade), that ICEninja is several levels of obvTown out of his element.

This pretense at righteous tunneling is all levels of fake and makes our little nose twitch in severe disapproval. We can hang him from a leash, if people are unwilling to provide the rope.


PEdit: Hi there. Have we mentioned you're Town? Thanks for making that clearer just now. ^_^

[StefanB]

A simple not should make this more clear.

I am suspicious of our puppy, because I should

not

have this as null, imposible to read , but as townie-town (even if they are scum)

Sorry for the typo.
But nice post.
It means that I wanted to read you as obvious town, but read you as null.
That was not what I exspected you to be in the game.
Sorry not obvious town at the moment and I would be suprised if most of the game doesn't have you as null at the moment, Sixty. (With ABR)

[curiouskarmadog]

avoiding a prod post, last week of the 1st fiscal period of the new year, work has increased, blah blah blah..

will do another update in a day or 2.

[ICEninja]

I declare Sixty to be confirmed town for the rest of the day, regardless of alignment.

All joking aside, I pretty much agree with everything that comes from that playerslot.

I laughed out loud a little when Grey accused me of attacking him without much of a case.

[greenknight]

c) Trying to explain and answer to points against me. This is just polite and as long as this is not rolefishing I have nothink to hide.
d) I want this puppy in the game, this is worth a lot.
e) c wasn't a softclaim.

That my character is evil, was.

huh, I just ISOed you and couldn't find where you claimed that your character was evil?

[jasonT1981]

I laughed out loud a little when Grey accused me of attacking him without much of a case.

Aside from the QT crap... you really haven't

[GreyICE]

I am suspicious of our puppy, because I should have this as null, imposible to read , but as townie-town (even if they are scum)

This is harder to understand than most.

Are you saying that you should have us as null and yet have us as obvTown?
Why should you have us as null? It seems things are working as they should--we are Town and you are reading us as such, so what is there to be suspicious about?

Or are you saying you should have us as obvTown and are instead reading us as null?
If so, you're not trying hard enough. Read our posts.


GreyICE is still full of etc. When Town, GreyICE actually shows some semblance of reasoning. Unlike some players who do it regardless of alignment (MoI and Thor for one), Grey-Town does not argue just to win arguments. The way he is behaving around ICEninja in particular is especially indicative of this, as he keeps distorting everything ICEninja says as having scum intent, when it is very clear, should he back off for a moment (which Town Grey does, that :ANGER: is a pretty façade), that ICEninja is several levels of obvTown out of his element.

This pretense at righteous tunneling is all levels of fake and makes our little nose twitch in severe disapproval. We can hang him from a leash, if people are unwilling to provide the rope.


PEdit: Hi there. Have we mentioned you're Town? Thanks for making that clearer just now. ^_^

Hey Vi, did you notice that your "case" on me was FACTUALLY INCORRECT?

I know you now want to get down to the "touchy feely" but I'm not buying it.

What is your read of CKD btw? I notice that you're talking a lot about the person who you "think is town" and not my other scum read, who happens to be one of the leading wagons.

Tell me, Vi, what is your read on CKD?

[StefanB]

Green: Sorry, that wasn't clear:

About IceNinja, I am afraid of him, I admit that. If you get me to L-2 Sixty you will learn more.

I am afraid of IceNinjas play for personal reason. He was basicly flavour looks like it, town.
L-2 because after my claim I will get IceNinjas vote.

Because I have an evil character. So not claimed evil, but e was there to make thinks easier.
I know that perhaps the softclaim is only there in my eye, but that's me.

[sword_of_omens]

Because town doesn't misread their PMs, right?

Because Jason's claim makes sense as a scum fakeclaim, right?

SoO is just jumping on convenient things and calling them scummy. That's bad. Ignoring the rest of the game is also bad.

pidgey wrote:
He could actually be scum with that power.

Think through this one and get back to me.

First of all, as I’ve mentioned, I don’t like inconsistencies…
it’s harder to remember a lie than it is to recall the truth.
And just because you call me scummy for pointing these things out,
it doesn’t mean that I’m going to just stop and ignore what I see or think…

He was already caught lying about his reasoning, whether to save face or what, it doesn't matter.

Jason obviously can’t type word for word his PM, he has to paraphrase.
He would have had to actually READ his PM to do that.
And since he was claiming, you would think he would pay attention to what he’s writing, correct?
For having 1 ability, and a 1-shot at that, you would think you would read what it is and how to use it.
“Hey everybody this is my NIGHT ability.”
Not even that Later down the line he says it would probably be best to use his ability at the start of the day.

Regardless of whether or not it’s a “TOWN” power, how can he prove he has it?
It’s not like the dead guy can come back and say, “Yeh, that was me in the QT and I totally said that.”
Not to mention that this is an MOI Bastard game where anything goes.
So let’s say he does have it and is scum, he could QT a town PR and get info from them.
A dead town watcher/tracker would be a great source to find town PR’s.
I do find it funny how you were all up on Jason until he claimed, and then all of a sudden he is insta-town and anyone pushing his wagon is obvscum.

sword_of_omens is scummy based on #336. He's largely dodged the whole GreyICE/ICENinja/ckd issue (his reasoning for ckd-scum is interesting, actually: it's based on him missing Jason's claim that he was 1-shot, not on any of the /actually scummy/ stuff which would entail him engaging with the game on a meaningful level). His last two reasons for Jason-scum aren't even /scumtells/:

As far as ignoring the rest of the game?
The ICEninja and the GreyICE back and forth is more annoying than anything else…
I’m not a big fan of people calling each other names and typing in all caps…
I didn’t see GreyICE’s remark to Ninja about scum QT’s as a slip. It was just Grey being a jerk.
I already stated that, so why make a big deal out of it?
I also don’t think ICEnin is scum. He looks to be over-eager town, trying a little too hard to prove himself on day1.

ckd issue (his reasoning for ckd-scum is interesting, actually: it's based on him missing Jason's claim that he was 1-shot, not on any of the /actually scummy/ stuff which would entail him engaging with the game on a meaningful level)

Nice wording on the CKD thing btw….

Also, not liking CKD much this game...
not sure how he'd miss Jason's 1-shot claim, considering he said he believed the claim..

I said THIS GAME. I wasn’t standing up and declaring him scum to the world and making a grand case on him for this one transgression.
I already mentioned I thought CKD’s unvoting was strange in my initial post,
I also didn’t like the fact that he made a big deal about Jason’s 1-shot clarification as if it was a game-changer. It seemed out of place to me, so I made mention of it.
His jump on Grey was beyond poor, as everyone had already noted..
I didn’t realize I had to clutter the thread with what everyone else already knows?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tell me, Vi, what is your read on CKD?

He thinks your attacks on CKD are faked. I lump you in with iceninja in the scummy department, but not as much as Kimor yet.

What about CKD makes you think he's scum?

[jasonT1981]

Hey Albert, how about some actual content?

care to explain any of your reads with examples of why they are scummy?

Also, Im not sure if I am right here, but why are you seemingly answering for Vi?

[Zdenek]

Sixty, what games are you using for your GreyICE meta and can you explain why ICEninja is town of his depth?

[Zdenek]

Also, Kimor's ISO is as scummy as they come.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey Albert, how about some actual content?

care to explain any of your reads with examples of why they are scummy?

Also, Im not sure if I am right here, but why are you seemingly answering for Vi?

I'm skimming the game, but even I seem to know why sixty/vi is voting for GreyIce. My brain is tuning it out as noise like low-level drama in a group of social oddballs.

If anyone simply bothered iso'ing Kimor, it would be made predominantly clear how scummy he is. He needs rope.

[fatlikepig]

Don't really have time to say much atm, but #392 makes more sense than it should. ._.

The point I was making, though, was that SoO seemed to be actively avoiding taking stances on the GreyICE/ICENinja thing. Recent post seems town, though.

[Kimor]

Electric is back on, I will be posting tomorrow.