The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[jasonT1981]

Its cool, I have nothing against you.

I would be doing the same to anyone

[GreyICE]

Albert.

"He didn't post any content, except for one thing, which was truly awful."

Is this a good reason to be voting someone?

Because I assure you, I will collapse onto that wagon, long before I hit a wagon that looks like this:

Kimor (5) -

Albert B. Rampage,

kortul,

Konowa,

StefanB,

Shmugen

That wagon, that scares me.

Shmugen went from voting me. To voting CKD. To voting Kimor. Without bothering to call any of us town. Ye gods, he went from calling me scum, to going "GreyICE has a point" to going "Well, CKD has produced nothing, but yeah, I don't need to vote him."
You're posting garbage, and are absolutely the sort of ballsy player who would let the scum flag fly day 1 with the thought you'll get out of it day 2+.
Konowa... giant question mark.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're judging Kimor based on who's voting instead of your assessment of his play, which is less than fair, GreyICE.

[Sixty]

Kimor (5) -

Albert B. Rampage,

kortul,

Konowa,

StefanB,

Shmugen

That wagon, that scares me.

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Also, we're assuming you mean orange equals Town. Either that, or you can reconcile these.

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[Kimor]

didn't post any content, except for one thing, which was truly awful."

Is this a good reason to be voting someone?

I see

[Kimor]

posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game. CKD posts junk. You

[ABR]

post nothing. ICENinja posts scummy junk that amounts to nothing.

[GreyICE]

Vi, the name in my first quote that you ADDED was clearly CURIOUSKARMADOG

NOT KIMOR

Are you even reading at this point
And people accuse me of derptunnel

[GreyICE]

You're judging Kimor based on who's voting instead of your assessment of his play, which is less than fair, GreyICE.

His play is a damn sight less awful than a number of other people. Offhand, I'd rather lynch ICENinja, CKD, and Shmugen before him. There's probably others if I went through and compiled a read list.

Then there's a number of people voting him who are not what I would call "solid town reads."

No, not particularly interested in voting there.

[Shamrock]

GreyICE really isn't behaving like someone who actually cares whether ICENinja is lynched.

[Sixty]

Vi, the name in my first quote that you ADDED was clearly CURIOUSKARMADOG

NOT KIMOR

So it is. Whichever.

We're still confused about the second quote.

I see

[Kimor]

posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game.

What the hell is "valuable"?

[curiouskarmadog]

avoiding a prod post, last week of the 1st fiscal period of the new year, work has increased, blah blah blah..

will do another update in a day or 2.

this is happening first thing in the morning, have had no time to even skim.

[GreyICE]

Vi, the name in my first quote that you ADDED was clearly CURIOUSKARMADOG

NOT KIMOR

So it is. Whichever.

We're still confused about the second quote.

I see

[Kimor]

posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game.

What the hell is "valuable"?

Look at this, Vi:

Alright.

#1) I have said my piece regarding the Klick confusion. If you choose to vote for me, fine, but there is nothing else that I can say to address it.

#2) I really don't like this slip case. It's pretty terrible. I don't see how it indicates his alignment whatsoever, and I feel that the implication is something that would be general knowledge to most players.

#3) Kortul's renewed attack on me looks very weak. He's attacking someone with lesser activity for something that is clearly not alignment-based. As scum, what benefit would I have from misreading the game? Why would I be more likely to do it as scum or not? Note, this is not WIFOM because I am not saying that I am *town* because of it - I am saying that it is a null tell at best, and is largely a product of the fact that I have been busy. However, if you notice, he *only* pipes in with that, without really giving much substance other than, "I doubt that anybody could miss that."

Well, I did.

Imagine that.

Why does it make me scum?

Overall, I am happy with my vote. My only hesitation is that, if my case is correct, I would have expected Kortul to be on the GreyICE wagon, and he is not.

It's content!

More content than the other people named have added to the thread (well ICENinja has spent a lot of time whining at people for voting for him. And then OMGUSing me. And then scumplaining. But nothing town came there).

[Sixty]

Vi, the name in my first quote that you ADDED was clearly CURIOUSKARMADOG

NOT KIMOR

So it is. Whichever.

We're still confused about the second quote.

I see

[Kimor]

posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game.

What the hell is "valuable"?

Look at this, Vi:

Alright.

#1) I have said my piece regarding the Klick confusion. If you choose to vote for me, fine, but there is nothing else that I can say to address it.

#2) I really don't like this slip case. It's pretty terrible. I don't see how it indicates his alignment whatsoever, and I feel that the implication is something that would be general knowledge to most players.

#3) Kortul's renewed attack on me looks very weak. He's attacking someone with lesser activity for something that is clearly not alignment-based. As scum, what benefit would I have from misreading the game? Why would I be more likely to do it as scum or not? Note, this is not WIFOM because I am not saying that I am *town* because of it - I am saying that it is a null tell at best, and is largely a product of the fact that I have been busy. However, if you notice, he *only* pipes in with that, without really giving much substance other than, "I doubt that anybody could miss that."

Well, I did.

Imagine that.

Why does it make me scum?

Overall, I am happy with my vote. My only hesitation is that, if my case is correct, I would have expected Kortul to be on the GreyICE wagon, and he is not.

It's content!

How is it content? We are failing to see how this is so valuable and indicative of Kimor's alignment. Enlighten us.

[Klick]

V/LA until Tuesday

[Shmugen]

I'm not convinced you are town, Grey, but I have no problem going from a wagon on scum to a wagon on someone scummier. I'm having that info processing problem that I have again, Sixty, would you mind asking me some questions to help me get my thoughts out?

[Sixty]

I'm having that info processing problem that I have again, Sixty, would you mind asking me some questions to help me get my thoughts out?

We have no pressing questions for you at present. However, it is scientifically proven that petting a puppy or throwing the ball for said puppy to fetch are effective cures for most ailments and maladies of the body, heart and mind; as such, if you believe that it would help you assimilate the contents of this game, we will gladly engage in such activities for

your

sake (not at all because

ball!

ballballballballballball!

).

In the meantime, a bone: how do you feel about pidgey at present? How about Zdenek?

[fatlikepig]

Okay, reread SoO's post: the point he raises about questioning a Watcher/Tracker for information is actually pretty good, and it's one I hadn't thought of previously. All in all, that post makes me want to go back on my original accusations, given that I can now see town motivation / thought process in his posts, whereas they previously looked like pushing on Jason because he didn't want to take a position on GreyICE/ICENinja.

I still think Jason is town, though, given flavour and whatnot.

I have read and agree with some of the points made against greyice and iceninja.

What does that mean for your reads on the two players? Do you think that their interaction could be scum v scum?

Kimor case is not bad. Still more interested in lynching CKD, though.

[StefanB]

Oh, the puppy is right, let them post a bit and you get around seeing them as townie.

Also Jason is not a troll, but town, but sometimes a headage.

Zdenek: I don't want to start paranoia and see you and GreyIce as scumpartners, but how is somethink looking like a chainsaw not a defence? Yes me read on Sixty was chancing towards townish, exspecially with them beeing activ and the post you criticise that much. That was the first post that made it clear for me were the came from.

you were making stuff up that you don't really believe.

Was the point that made me suspicios of you, making stuff up is somethink town shouldn't and doesn't do. (Exspecially if that is their suspicionreason and it is not that early on day 1) So yeah I was taunting Sixty but not obvious town, so I suspect them of scum, was so obvious to make them get active, that I can't see that anyone took that to seriously. (And I didn't like them calling themselves obvious town, when they did that)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.12 - As of post 441

GreyIce (3) - ICENinja, curiouskarmadog, Sixty
kortul (1) - Kimor
ICENinja (2) - Klick, GreyICE
Kimor (5) - Albert B. Rampage, kortul, Konowa, StefanB, Shmugen
curiouskarmadog (3) - Shamrock, fatlikepig, greenknight
Albert B. Rampage (1) - jasonT1981
jasonT1981 (2) - pidgey, sword_of_omens
StefanB (1) - Zdenek

The Current deadline is Wednesday, Novemeber 7 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-07 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

Mod Notes -
I will be LA as usual between today at 4:30pm EDT until Monday. Vote Counts, Prods, and other items may be delayed! Don't Panic! (oops wrong theme …)
Klick is V/LA til Tuesday November 6th.

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating now from page 13. As normal, typing as I go.

CKD: Preview: Uh, Jason claimed One-Shot from the beginning?

CKD: Preview: Uh, Jason claimed One-Shot from the beginning?

went back to read the claim, guess I missed that last sentence. when updating in blocks I guess I miss somethings. wouldnt have signed up for the game if I knew work and such was going to get crazy. now that Oct is done, things should be okay to post every day or so.

he is still not the lynch today. what changes is he has one real chance to prove himself. he is either town or fake claiming. I dont see that particular claim to be scum aligned. I had an idea how really test this, but am trying to flesh it out. it is something like everyone's first post of the day be in code. even if you did nothing, right a line in some sort of code that only you code break. this should work because everyone is writing something. so a day or two later if someone is killed. jason can target them and that person can give them the information to break the code and whatever information they might have. here are the problems I am seeing though. if the code is too weak scum might figure it out. but the more convoluted the code, the harder it would be. the other thing, is if jason is fake claiming, he would have to be alive day 3..(shurg) let me think about it.

Feeling is that QT discussion is boiling down to semantics.

how so?

grey said ninja must have a day QT. (obvious)
I called this a scum slip. (apparently it might or might not be)
Grey then asks "why would I think he said anything about a day qt" (backtrack)


where is the semantics issue with that?

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@all, this just came to me. everyone is attacking me for attacking grey because it is "normal" for scum to have a day QT. has anyone looked into my games to see how normal this is for me? especially when I first started. I have seen it 2-3 times (maybe more?) but not enough to label it "common".
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Also, why are people (and not just ICENinja) just instinctively believing Jason's claim? Is the idea of fakeclaims really new to you people?

interesting, so you think we should lynch him today anyway...not even try to see if it is true. it is not like he is claiming a doc that we cant really verify. there is potential here to maybe get some info. I dont think he could fake this. but I want to see. I think this is a plausible claim. I not sure if the role has anything to do with alignment, but if it is town, it could be useful. Sham, you don’t think the role could be useful?

How do you expect testing his claim to go, exactly?

"Jason, are you in a QT with the dead guy?"
"Yeah."

Why are you scared to fucking test the role? You really think that is how the test would go? If you ignore my idea I am working on..lets say he targets a dead cop. Lets say the cop says X, Y, Z are town in their QT. Jason tells us this. Then at one point Jason flips town….imagine the information we could get. You really didn’t think of any of that?

(grey) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4441314
Way to avoid all my questions scum bag.

Already answered your question about ice, but it has changed. Had him at neutral. The way you are attacking him, pretty sure he is town.

Now answer the question.
“awesome, so why did you say "why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk"?...or were you trying to get out of that corner I got you trapped in?”

TOWN, WHY IS NO ONE SEEING THIS? HE TRIED TO BACK TRACK AND NOW HE IS AVOIDING THIS QUESTION!!!!

EDIT: iceninja basically asks the same thing in 323

It's the GreyICE way to ignore people who he thinks are scum.

Interesting, if this was true why does he keep asking me questions? (he clearly thinks I am scum) do you have a game you have been in with him that he has done this? As it stands, it feels like you are giving him a way out. Hey shmugen, you ask him the question then…certainly he wont ignore you.

But I'm still scum because of your other point which... tell me again? You seemed to be doing the scumslip dance with your partner in slime CKD.

(posted was to vi)

now he is just lying...quote where he said that. I remember him saying he is voting you for other reason.

CuriousKarmaDog case on greyice is really bad.

did you see him backtrack on the day chat statement? did you see him ignore me when I asked him why he said" "why did you think I was talking about DT" (paraphrase).

you still think is still town? if he town, ask him why he did the above....arent you curious?

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Random thoughts.

What is the case on Kimor? Votes seem weak.

Votes on ABR are bad

Jason is not the lynch today.

Reading Grey’s “ckd sole contribution is attacking me blah blah” made me wonder if I rally WAS tunneling on grey. I just upated, looked back somewhat. The dude is still scummy as hell. I tried to be open to other scum…no one is really scummier than Grey. There is so much information that can be garnered from his lynch. Look at all these fucking people says grey is town based on what play? It has got to be a meta. What about those actually defending grey. Because there is nothing in this game that demonstrates towniness coming for grey. so yeah grey, I am focusing on you, because you are scum.

Confirm vote GreyICE

[Konowa]

Today.
My modded game first.

[pidgey]

Any argument about a QT on greyice is scummy and stupid as shit. Though i probably should read in detail what the other points on your case are.

[pidgey]

Which i wont do right now cause im at class lol.

[greenknight]

@CKD people aren't calling Greyice town, so much as saying that the daytalk post was a scum slip - it's null because he could easily have made that post as any alignment

I'll admit I've mostly been skimming the Greyice posts where he attacks Iceninja because he pulled this "shouting scum at people" stuff last game where he was town, and other stuff has been competing for my attention. Need to go back and take a closer look, planning to do that on Sunday.

[ICEninja]

The only thing that's changed my opinions on anything in the past couple pages is Zdenek's 419. Pretty good post, and a bit of an eye opener about StefanB. Not the best lynch, but if we can't get one on Grey, i'm about even with StefanB and Kimor right now.

Grey's alignment will tell us loads about jason, though. I'm pretty damn sure they're the same alignment, so a scum flip on Grey will give us a ridiculously good start to the game. There are a couple players I'd be pretty sure are town if he flips town, too.

While I feel the points against Kimor are justified, I agree that the wagon on him feels sketchy.

Oh and, the only time I've EVER had this difficult of a time building a wagon on someone I was so sure was scum was when I was right. I literally can't think of any time I've had this much resistance when trying to lynch town. At this point if anyone doesn't realize why I think Grey is scum they're either not reading my posts or are brain dead.

[pidgey]

"scum flip on Grey will give us a ridiculously good start to the game. There are a couple players I'd be pretty sure are town if he flips town, too."

I might give you that a scum flip will put others on sight, but a town flip, ESPECIALLY first town flipped in the game, gives us bollucks mostly.

[ICEninja]

Are you kidding me? With the amount of people who strongly feel one way or another about Grey's alignment, either flip would give us loads. If we, for example, lynched Kimor and he flipped town then we'd have NOTHING, because people's opinions on him don't seem to have that much conviction.

Jason, CKD, Sixty, hell even me, and to a lesser extent the people who have soft defended him (such as FLP) will have light shed upon their alignments based on his flip.

MoI, I won't request anything but it might be a decent idea to consider replacing Klick. He was prodded twice in quick succession, and followed said prods up with a 4 day V/LA before posting content. Just food for thought.