The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[jasonT1981]

Also, knee-jerk reaction - GreyICE as a Day lynch...really? I look forward to being told how awesome this case is.

The case is

way

awesome. Way

totally

awesome. ...um... this puppy is kind of new to the whole hipster slang thing.

Zdenek would be best off reading our posts, using the isolation feature if necessary.

how about instead of telling us how awesome it is, tell us why it is so awesome?

[Sixty]

You would

also

benefit from reading our posts in isolation.

[ICEninja]

Thor, the reasons we're lynching GreyICE are:

1) The first half of my post 210. You may stop reading when I refer to his scum slip, as Grey worded that phrase poorly and caused mucho misunderstanding. Essentially the main points are how Grey lies and misreps how I respond to pressure early in the game, and refuses to acknowledge it for many many posts (and still never really acknowledges it, just kind of brushes it off really).

2) Much of Sixty's ISO, but the main point is really right here in puppy post 384. Bonus points for actually referencing you before you even joined, no??

GreyICE is still full of etc. When Town, GreyICE actually shows some semblance of reasoning. Unlike some players who do it regardless of alignment (MoI and Thor for one), Grey-Town does not argue just to win arguments. The way he is behaving around ICEninja in particular is especially indicative of this, as he keeps distorting everything ICEninja says as having scum intent, when it is very clear, should he back off for a moment (which Town Grey does, that :ANGER: is a pretty façade), that ICEninja is several levels of obvTown out of his element.

3) All of Shamorck's post 457. This is a good point about how Grey isn't doing anything to actually convince people I'm scum, despite having multiple opportunities to convince people.

[kortul]

Quick post, leaving to airport.

Mod, going v/la for a week for a business trip after the post.

Hopefully will be able to post at least once before the deadline. Finished reassessing. Still feel that ICEninja is town, the impression strengthened. Neutral about Jason - his confusion regarding my question seem genuine, so i drop that point; don't share his feelings about ABR and Grey. More or less like StefanB, though don't understand some of his later posts (been there already). Do not like CKD play, his focus is too narrow for half of the day. Still, i keep arguing myself whether he is scum or town, since bad play screws logic. CKD kept pushing against the flow, even after the explanation from Grey, which means he still believes that Grey made a slip, and scum believing town made a slip doesn't make sense. But if CKD simply doesn't understand the explanation, then my interpretation is wrong and he can be scum stuck in the tunnel. Can join the wagon to avoid a no-lynch. Kimor slot is still suspicious, will see if Thor665 will change this impression.

And finally GreyICE. Sixty managed to put into words what i felt before, just coudn't pinpoint:

Talking with GreyICE, in and out of game, will show that when he is truly trying to puzzle something out (i.e. scumhunting), he analyzes things thoughtfully. He analyzes players, behaviors and, most importantly,

motivations

. He is not doing that here in regards to ICEninja (and, on a slightly lesser level, curiouskarmadog). These lynches are incredibly easy, and Grey is throwing a tantrum and a bitchy fit every time he replies to one of their posts instead of truly looking at how likely their posts are to come from an alignment or another.

He is arguing to win an argument

. This is not Town GreyICE.

I agree with that. As a clear example, i seriously don't see town!Grey saying this, even in exaggeration:

I see him <Kimor> posting a lot of shit that's a lot more valuable than anything CKD or ICENinja have added to the game. CKD posts junk. You post nothing. ICENinja posts scummy junk that amounts to nothing.

Kimor posting things better than ICEninja? CKD posts junk means he is scum? If town posted only content, and scum only junk, games would be soo much easy.

In his last post Grey announced himself as a counterwagon to CKD - brilliant move, trying to make himself more town for those who suspect CKD. I suspect both of them, though Grey is more suspicious. And don't like manipulations like this, so while waiting for Thor to catch-up, my vote goes to Grey.

VOTE: GreyICE

[pidgey]

So umm...

Not much has really happened since the last time I posted.

I myself really find CKD scummier than greyice and if those 2 are the wagons of the day, im mroe inclined to vote for CKD.

GreyICE you should claim since i think you are at l-2

[greenknight]

Reviewing Greyice/CKD

Greyice: Lots of shouting/swearing that people are scum, and tunnelling Iceninja pretty hard. His play has been heavy on rhetoric but light on actual analysis. In Dr Who where he was town he started off like this but followed up by seriously raising the level of his game to push for Tierce's lynch in the 2nd half of day 1. So far this hasn't happened here and he's just continuing to spout rhetoric. Read on this slot is neutral to bad because of this.

CKD: is STILL hung up on the daytalk slip thing. He says that his case on Greyice is based on more than that... but really it's just him following up with "Greyice is being evasive concerning the daytalk slip". Note I don't think this is the case, whatever his alignment Greyice is probably just ignoring CKD's post concerning daytalk because no one else in the game is buying it anyway. Earlier in the game, which I just caught on reread... while the unvote at #75 isn't suspicious in itself, in #90 he says that alcohol probably influenced his unvote, but when further questioned by Zdenek refers to his own self-meta history of unvoting. Don't like this at all, if unvoting a random vote is typical town play for CKD then why would he need to explain it based on alcohol instead of saying "but that's just how I play it." Also some bad gut feeling regarding his early exchange with Klick.

I currently suspect CKD more. I don't like Grey/CKD arguments against each other so if one flips scum I wouldn't clear the other. I read Iceninja's responses to all this, particularly his apparent frustration with CKD over the daytalk issue, as town.

[Shmugen]

You there. Get an avatar.

[ICEninja]

Hmm green goodposting. That's a good catch regarding CKD's going through a lot of trouble to explain why an alcohol induced action is normal for him.

I guess I still prefer a Grey lynch, but at this point I really feel like I'm fine with either.

Shmugen gets townpoints for that post too ^

[Shmugen]

Townpoints I've earned are fine. Charity townpoints for common sense statements are unnecessary.

[jasonT1981]

You would

also

benefit from reading our posts in isolation.

I have, I see no actual case from you on Gray...

Just rambling at him on a few things.

[Thor665]

Thor, I want you to read the first three pages and tell me what you think of ICEninja, GreyICE, and ckd.

Meh, okay, let's skim it;

I think Curious Karma Dog looks town.
ICEninja wagon was awesome.
I actually agree with Zdenek that Jason looks scummy.
I'm actually calling Pidgey scummy for his self-censorship of Smurf.

I think CKD looks town and both the ICE's look scummy.

Id rather he read the full game and then gave his opinions of people, instead of basing it on 3 pages alone.

Trololololol.
Hold your breath, I'll get to that any century now.

Big wall o' points

Hurm.

1. I like this as a tell.
2. I always appreciate flattery...

@Sixty - do you have examples supporting your take on GreyICE's meta here? That feels like such a home run tell I'm almost of a mind to disregard it because it feels too solid, y'know?

3. Feels kinda like #1 again, but I do like that as a tell.

Hmm green goodposting. That's a good catch regarding CKD's going through a lot of trouble to explain why an alcohol induced action is normal for him.

I rather like this posting in general. I agree with it and would extend the read towards ICEninja (quick, someone can now extend it to me and soon we'll all be town!)

Shmugen gets townpoints for that post too ^

I'm actually getting a scum vibe on that waste of space.

Unvote: Kortul
Vote: GreyICE

Let's do this for laughs. Baaaah!

Also, I asked for the extension, but, y'know, we don't need to lurk-a-derp till deadline, but NOW is the time to start moving votes and making a counter wagon if you want it.

Zdenek, Jason, and Klick are my immediate callouts for failing at life.

[Thor665]

You would

also

benefit from reading our posts in isolation.

I have, I see no actual case from you on Gray...

Just rambling at him on a few things.

What's your case on ABR and how come you didn't ask me to sheep you since that wagon *desperately* needs the sort of sexy and manly energy I bring to a wagon?

[Klick]

i got thor to read

[ICEninja]

Townpoints I've earned are fine. Charity townpoints for common sense statements are unnecessary.

Humor will not be found in my meta. This game is the exception.

I'm actually getting a scum vibe on that waste of space.

Without having read the game, I can understand this. I have, however, requested green to get an avatar no fewer than 3 occasions, explaining why here:

QUICK COMMENT: greenknight please get an avatar. I remember who posts what more by a glance at the avatar than reading their name. Because of this, I literally cannot remember a single thing you've posted without reading back on it.

[Thor665]

i got thor to read

Now you need to justify that exercise and do something with my responses.

Otherwise I'll call you obv. scum and manage to shift all the votes to you. Because it would not be hard to do methinks.

@ICEninja - that is awesome that this is the point of my wall you wish to discuss...I still have a scum read on you.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek: Why do I think that this was more worthy of calling this a chainsaw then other thinks in the game.
Well it is more worthy of calling out, because I did notice it. What is the point?

Because it's weird that you would suspect me of chainsaw defending someone, by attacking someone else over something that you consider to be a scum tell.

I will have to decline to answer that, because well what do you want to know? Sorry I don't understand the question.

1. You think that town doesn't say things that they don't mean.
2. Sixty explained that they think that scum likes to use meta in the manner where they point to specific examples to draw conclusions.
3, They then proceeded to point to an example of GreyICE's town play to argue that he is scum here.
4. You have a town read on them.
Explain how that makes sense.

Zdenek would be best off reading our posts, using the isolation feature if necessary.

I have. You basically have a meta case on GreyICE that I disagree with.

I actually agree with Zdenek that Jason looks scummy.

@Sixty - do you have examples supporting your take on GreyICE's meta here? That feels like such a home run tell I'm almost of a mind to disregard it because it feels too solid, y'know?

This point that he is transparently trying to mimic his town meta is nice. So back it up.

Zdenek, Jason, and Klick are my immediate callouts for failing at life.

So Kimor was probably scum and Thor's attempt to discredit me here, in the light of the things that he said, further confirms this slot as scum.

Considering the wagon on GreyICE there is literally no chance I would vote there. Thor is better, two players in the same slot, both scummy, is more solid than anything else so far.

Unvote
Vote Thor

[Thor665]

Good job, Zdenek, you are called out for failing and then at least try to fail less. You win a cookie.

How did I attempt to discredit you? Tell me that and I'll self vote.
Hint: pointing out that you were sitting on a dead end wagon is true - so if that is discrediting to you...well, you better justify why you were doing something so useless.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek, Jason, and Klick are my immediate callouts for failing at life.

[Thor665]

Yep - please tell me what you all had in common.

Take a while, it's a deep question.

[Zdenek]

Yep - please tell me what you all had in common.

Take a while, it's a deep question.

Do you think that Stefan is town?

[ICEninja]

@ICEninja - that is awesome that this is the point of my wall you wish to discuss...I still have a scum read on you.

I thoroughly agree with everything you said, aside from calling me scummy. What else needed discussion?

[Thor665]

Yep - please tell me what you all had in common.

Take a while, it's a deep question.

Do you think that Stefan is town?

I have no read on him at all, and that is meaningless to the point even if I did.

@ICEninja - that is awesome that this is the point of my wall you wish to discuss...I still have a scum read on you.

I thoroughly agree with everything you said, aside from calling me scummy. What else needed discussion?

[fatlikepig]

V/LA until Wednesday 7th - unexpectedly large workload, sorry. D:

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.15 - As of post 523

GreyIce (8) - ICENinja, curiouskarmadog, Sixty, Shamrock, Albert B. Rampage, Shmugen, kortul, Thor665
ICENinja (1) - Klick
Thor665 (3) - Konowa, StefanB, Zdenek
curiouskarmadog (4) - fatlikepig, greenknight, GreyICE, jasonT1981
jasonT1981 (2) - pidgey, sword_of_omens

The Current deadline is Friday, Novemeber 9 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-09 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check -
GreyICE has been prodded.

Mod Notes -
Deadline has been extended 2 days at Thor's request. No further extensions to Day 1 will occur.
Klick is V/LA til Tuesday November 6th.
sword_of_omen's V/LA has expired and he has 24 hours to post.
fatlikepig is V/LA until Wednesday November 7th.

[Thor665]

@Klick - still failing.

@Pidgey
@Sword

Why should I give two figs about your wagon?

@Anyone voting CKD - he looks town, what is this gak?