Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

FUJIKO
HUNTRESS
SEASTORM
SPRINGLULLABY

Scum is here. Which of the 4 isn't scum?

I have two days to figure this out.

Please no one hammer until we get really close to deadline. I have more work to do here.

[DrippingGoofball]

Eidolon needs to show up more. I'm getting paranoid.

[PiggyGal15]

Huntress - Apok was acting scummier and went lower on my scum list than Tracey did. Now I can't remember exactly if it was because DGB in specific was switching from Tracey to Apok, but I just remember that it was everyone making Apok look scummier and leaving Tracey alone that made me switch my vote.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't get...

[springlullaby]

Scummish:

DrippingGoofball:

I really dislike like the massive outguessing the NK thing today which sounds fake and unusual, I've never seen this from her. The thing is she should know that not posting for stretches of time for me is not unusual, and answering questions in place of other is not town. On one hand I'm thinking that it is unwise as scum to be attracting so much attention to this fact on the other, I'm thinking that if she is going for it as scum, that would be the way to do it. I'm putting them in nullish scum but this is in reality an either/or scenario.

Scum:

Seastormjt:

Fujiko:

Vote: Seastorm

Wait what?

That's kind of a sign that someone is faking reads, when their "scum read" is trying to decimate the scum team by their own admission.

NO????

Springlullaby cannot possibly be town. I repeat: she agrees with my two biggest scum reads today. She knows I pushed hard to lynch Telo Day 1. So she thinks I bus'ed my buddy Day 1, and I'm trying to bus two more buddies today.

HOW COME NO ONE IS VOTING SPRINGLULLABY

In what universe does this make sense as scum reads?

In what universe doesn't it make sense as scum reads?
I distinctly said that it was an either or/scenario.
Did you read me yes or no?

Duh. Avoidance of scrutiny. Being lazy because you don't need to ferret out the scum, you chat with them daily in the QT.

This is dumb-ass scum play. Plus how am I avoiding scrutiny, tell me.

Saving it for the deadline hammer without showing your hand.

This is beyond ridiculous. You have modded as scum, and what you suggest is that I as scum would avoid scrutiny by lurking and to show up and hammer at deadline.

Duh, yes. Scum tends to lurk. Ask camn.

Avoiding the question, I have played more than one game with you, so I'm asking again, do you think it is alignment indicative for me to be lurking?

Oh, I make it difficult, so it's my fault you're not giving reads?

I did provide reads, so what are you talking about.
You created a situation in which you undercut my questioning when calling for my lynch, I'm making it clear that it is what you did and that you don't get to impede me in my scum-hunting and saying that I'm not providing reads at the same time.

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DGB, you've been making a number posts about why you have 'survived for so long'.
Thing is in all the game I played with you I have never seen you do this.
Camn, Brandi and Amrun, I'd like your opinion on this please.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, you've been making a number posts about why you have 'survived for so long'.
Thing is in all the game I played with you I have never seen you do this.

Maybe it's because I haven't survived for so long in all the games I played with you where I wasn't scum.

And SL, I'm not going to get into a bickerfest with you like you did with Brandi, so the back-and-forth ends here. It's unproductive and it drives everyone nuts.

If you're town, we're wasting each other's time.
If you're scum, you're wasting my time.

If I'm impeding your scum hunting, I'll back off right now, and see what you produce in the next couple of days before deadline falls.

[RedCoyote]

Prodding Seastorm

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Vote Count 3 - 8

• Seastormjt

  (4) (Sucrose - DrippingGoofball - camn - springlullaby)
  
  
  TraceyLyn11
  (3) (Amrun - PiggyGal15 - Brandi -

  camn

  )
  
  
  DrippingGoofball
  (3) (TraceyLyn11 - Fujiko - Huntress)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Seastormjt)
  
  
  springlullaby
  (0) (

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (

  springlullaby

  - Eidolon)

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Current Deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-06 20:10:00)

[Brandi]

Spring, my opinion of that specifically I think I posted previously- in that it makes me extremely uncomfortable to hear someone complain adamantly and constantly about still being alive. It bothers me but I'm not familiar enough with DGB's play to know how often she ever lives or if this is something she's ever taken issue with before.

And you wanted to know what I agree'd with in Amrun's post? It would have been the first line, about the "even when I'm town" comment-
as well as the line about Tracey keeping DGB alive for self preservation.

I think I might note as well from reading through things again, I don't believe Amrun/DGB are scum together this game, if either.

[camn]

Both DGB and myself (her moreso) are classic early nightkills.
Her special title is based on this phenomena. She is often hit with the bat of the scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote Count 3 - 8

• TraceyLyn11

  (3) (Amrun - PiggyGal15 - Brandi -

  camn

  )

  
  

  DrippingGoofball

  (3) (TraceyLyn11 - Fujiko - Huntress)

  
  

  Seastormjt

  (3) (Sucrose - DrippingGoofball - camn)
  
  
  This 3:3:3 combo is awesome and will be very informative. I've learned to be wary of this way of looking at things, but I wouldn't be surprised if one scum is staying off wagons and is afraid to commit (among springlullaby, Seastorm, Eidolon). Two of these are scum reads of mine. Only one of springlullaby or Seastorm might be scum. I would be shocked if 2/3 of the remaining scum would be on a single wagon. So one of Huntress and Fujiko.
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Seastormjt)
  
  
  springlullaby
  (0) (

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (springlullaby - Eidolon)

ONE of Huntress/Fujiko
ONE of Seastorm/springlullaby
ONE of Amrun/Piggy/Brandi/Sucrose/camn

TraceyLyn wagon looks towniest to me but I could be wrong and townies can be wrong.

I'm watching for which way the wind is about to blow.

[springlullaby]

You missed my vote on SEASTORM!! Last page Thanx !

Prodding Seastorm

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Vote Count 3 - 8

• TraceyLyn11

  (3) (Amrun - PiggyGal15 - Brandi -

  camn

  )

  
  

  DrippingGoofball

  (3) (TraceyLyn11 - Fujiko - Huntress)

  
  

  Seastormjt

  (3) (Sucrose - DrippingGoofball - camn)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Seastormjt)
  
  
  springlullaby
  (0) (

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (springlullaby - Eidolon)

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Current Deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-06 20:10:00)

[Sucrose]

I'm feeling....decently confident about seastorm as a lynch. She's made a grand total of 22 posts, and is lurking again. Two of her posts have been extended walls with a vote. (Those wall posts don't give me a towny-feeling, either) This looks like the play of someone who finds reading and posting in the thread to be a chore, yet sporadically (at a rate of less than one a day) gives a wall post of write-ups out of obligation. In other words, scum play.

[Brandi]

Finding reading/posting a chore and posting out of obligation is not a scumtell.

[RedCoyote]

Oh, dear. You mixed it up in all of that bolding, spring. Also prodding Eidolon.

[TraceyLyn11]

My computer is completely and totally done! No more problems, no more time spent working on it. YAAAAAAAAAY!

Anyways, making a catch-up post now. In light of deadline and the time I actually have available to spend on this tonight, I'm going to try my best to just summarize my thoughts rather than doing a quote wall.

As for my re-reading of several people, I didn't do it, and I'm not going to. Not this day, at least. I've still been reading along with this game, and I'm perfectly happy having a lynch between DGB or Piggy. With that said, I'll make "cases" against them. 'Cases' is in quotation marks because they won't be as elaborate as they would normally be.

[DrippingGoofball]

Guys, I really think Tracey is town. Bad reads, but not scum.

[TraceyLyn11]

Guys, I really think Tracey is town. Bad reads, but not scum.

Stop.

[Sucrose]

Finding reading/posting a chore and posting out of obligation is not a scumtell.

Why not? I've certainly felt that way as scum. Yes, town could find reading and posting to be a chore as well, but that would be more because they're not bothering/can't find the time to play, whereas it's always going to be sort of a chore for scum, because they're not actually scumhunting. An active and confident scumplayer probably enjoys misleading the town, but other scum are likely only focused on keeping their head out of the noose.

But we're talking theory, so if you disagree, I'll take it into consideration.

[Huntress]

Huntress may be scum. All she's done today is try to carry out an agenda of lynching me.

Huntress has not bothered to make an actual case on me, on anyone else, today. She promised details on her scumread of me, and has not delivered. WHY? Because she cannot make a case against me. Not a convincing one, and not one that I cannot completely blow out of the water with TRUTH.

This is just slinging mud, in the hope that some of it will stick. If I was scum, why would I bother trying to lynch you? I think you're trying to portray my lack of time as scumminess. It's only been a couple of days, and a weekend at that, since I promised more details. It usually takes me longer than that to complete an in-depth study of a high volume poster (20% of the posts in the entire game!) looking at posts in context, not just doing an ISO, and I'm doing it that way as I think it will also tell me a lot about certain others, not just you. That last bit applies whether or not you are scum.

Huntress - Apok was acting scummier and went lower on my scum list than Tracey did. Now I can't remember exactly if it was because DGB in specific was switching from Tracey to Apok, but I just remember that it was everyone making Apok look scummier and leaving Tracey alone that made me switch my vote.

One person switching her vote off Tracey being "everyone"? Anyway, thanks for replying. Now can you tell me why you want to lynch Tracey as I asked you earlier?

[TraceyLyn11]

@Huntress: Why did you feel the need to repeat everything I said in post #984 in your post #985?

I dislike how in DGB's post #987, she's saying Fujiko's only reason for wanting her dead was based on gaining information. Just above her vote in post #974, Fujiko said she was thinking Camn or DGB were scum. DGB even quoted this. Not to mention DGB is attacking Fujiko for wanting an information lynch when I had said that as well (the quote Fujiko quoted when she voted for DGB).

Amrun's post #991 bothers me because it has a few misrepresentations in it, and one of her largest points on me are based on night speculation; however, I'm not going to go into depth on why it's bad because I get an overall townish feel from Amrun.

In other news, Sucrose is beginning to not look scummy. For some reason this:

"I know realistically I can't have all three scum on that list, and at least one of my towny-reads must be dead wrong, but I have town reads on all the other players."

just feels townish. I dunno. If nothing else, I don't particularly believe Sucrose and DGB are likely scum together due to their large interactions. That being said, I think DGB is more scummy.

All of my wat.

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Why hasn't this re-read of camn/Fujiko been delivered? Why announce you are willing to lynch 3 townies today, before your promised reading? That's not town-think.

It hasn't been delivered because I haven't had time.

Because I'm fairly certain of my reads against them without re-reading. Hence my not saying that I would re-read them. Why do you identify them (and you) as townies?

It's certainly town-think if it's not being misrepresented.

Now, without have done the promised re-read, we have a verdict on Fujiko & camn, but rather, going back to read her foregone conclusions Fujiko null-scum and camn null-town. How does she know if she hasn't re-read?

I know because of that list I posted above my ISO's post.

But in the previous post, camn was nulll-town. Now, camn scummy?

I never said Camn was null-town. Nor have I implied it. The post I assume you are referring to is post #905. I know you're smart enough to realize I was referring to those being my previous reads of them, not my current ones. Why you're acting as if you're not, I have no idea.

Whatever happened to the Sucrose-top-scumread?

As I said at the top of this post, I've been able to read along. She's been looking not quite as scummy. Or at least not as scummy as you.

How come she's not re-reading me, but she must re-read Sucrose, whom she voted earlier today, and whom she thought was scum yesterday? Still no re-reading of camn, but the opinion keeps changing from null-town to sorta-scum without that re-read?

As I said ^above^, I've been reading along. Sucrose hasn't been looking as scummy, so I wanted to refresh myself on why I had thought she was. As for why I don't need to re-read you, you look consistently scummy. No need to re-read.

I already explained about Camn.

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DGB declared Sucrose town in post #1002 with several posts leading up to it. Her reasoning: night kill speculation. Do not like.

Seastorm makes her vote count analysis and ISO post. After explaining her thoughts behind the vote count analysis, DGB gives her thoughts on it in post #1014 and others. Camn jumps in on it, too. This leads me to believe that if Sucrose

is

scum and Seastorm is town... Then either Camn or DGB are Sucrose's partner. It'd make sense by their quickly saying the analysis is wrong and that Sea is scum. I know in newbie games it's pretty upheld that scum don't vote directly after each other. I guess it could be different in larger games, but I find it hard to believe that the difference would be that dramatic. That being said, if someone else who believed in the logic that scum won't vote directly after each other, they could be led to believe that Sucrose is in fact scum. If what Sea said holds water in this particular game (and Sea is town), that would leave four possibilities of scum (not including Sucrose): DGB, Eidolon, Fujiko, and Amrun. Two of which are in DGB's null-town reads, and one of which is in null-scum. I don't necessarily believe that Sucrose, Eidolon/Amrun, DGB, and Telo are scum together. Just thought that this information was kind of interesting. (Note: Amrun/DGB could be possible. DGB was voting Amrun but had her listed as a null-town read. As soon as Spring called her out on it, she switched to Spring)

I agree with Spring in regards to DGB's post #1027. Her answering for others was bad.

Really disliking Brandi's lack of participation lately (referring to post #1035 specifically. Her last post was about 70 posts before this, and that's all she comments on. I do realize it was her birthday, but the fact that she was able to post on her birthday but not during the two days before? Meh).

Fujiko's post #1037 sounds like it's from town.

I'm liking Huntress.

And you guys think she's town?!

Serious question: Anyone who thinks Piggy isn't scum, explain in a few sentences or longer why. I don't want a short, "Because she's done nothing scummy" or "Because she's hard to read." I want actual reasons and citations telling me why you believe she isn't scum. Feel free to do the same for DGB, though reasons for her are less important.

I don't like how DGB is avoiding my lynch and is instead going for Spring. I think both Spring and I are easy lynches (in terms of low credibility and activity), but I think Spring would be more of an obstacle to DGB (assuming she's scum). Now, I can also look at this in a less biased/tunnely way. DGB avoiding my lynch and going for the - what I think is - harder lynch could be seen as DGB being town. Hmm.

This, then... This? DGB: "Yeah, Spring's scum! Let's lynch her!" Piggy: "OMG I TOTALLY AGREE. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LYNCH TRACEY IS SCUM!" ... Am I the only one confused? Then there's this! HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT PIGGY ISN'T BEING SEEN AS SCUM.

Really.

Spring is reading townish. Not understanding the hate against her. It seems that it amounts to, "She wasn't here; therefore, she is scum." Don't know how I feel about her Sea vote, though.

Is it just me or do all of DGB's posts feel as if they're misrepresenting someone? It could just be the tunnel vision... >_>

Then DGB proceeds to talk about how she wasn't killed and how weird that is and how she's going to die tonight and yada yada yada. I don't like how she seems to believe the scum will want her dead. As I've already explained, her reads could be totally wrong. They could be hunting for PR's and not think she's one. Or maybe it's that she isn't seen as universally town. Or maybe she has town reads on some of the scummies. I really dislike all of the night kill speculation and what-not she's been throwing around. It does no good, and she should know that.

DGB's post #1074 is bad. She's had nearly two game days to realize this (because, ya know, it's mostly based on my one read's post), and she's only just now saying it. After repeatedly calling me scum. She proceeds to assert that I am town. I really, really, REALLY don't like.

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So there! It's kind of a mixture of a catch-up and case (yes, I realize I was a bit tunnely against DGB, but oh well). Basically, I'm happy with a DGB or Piggy lynch today. I'm not liking how ready everyone is to lynch Sea. Keep that in mind for anyone who's ready to lynch her. The scum already lost one scum. They're going to be more careful now. Fast wagons are likely going to be on townies.

Reads (in no particular order under each section):

TOWN

Huntress
Spring
Eidolon

NULL-TOWN

Sucrose?

NULL

Amrun
Brandi
Sea
Fujiko

NULL-SCUM

Camn

SCUM

DGB
Piggy

[Brandi]

Tracey, I never post on my birthday. My b-day was oct 30th

[DrippingGoofball]

If I was scum, why would I bother trying to lynch you?

You gotta lynch somebody, no? Maybe you thought it was going to be easy?

It's only been a couple of days, and a weekend at that, since I promised more details. It usually takes me longer than that to complete an in-depth study of a high volume poster (20% of the posts in the entire game!) looking at posts in context, not just doing an ISO, and I'm doing it that way as I think it will also tell me a lot about certain others, not just you. That last bit applies whether or not you are scum.

However we have two days left until deadline. I see no evidence that this promised land is forthcoming.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ TraceyLyn

Seastorm makes her vote count analysis and ISO post. After explaining her thoughts behind the vote count analysis, DGB gives her thoughts on it in post #1014 and others. Camn jumps in on it, too. This leads me to believe that if Sucrose is scum and Seastorm is town...

Suppose you know that I'm town. What does that make Sucrose and Seastorm?

[DrippingGoofball]

There's also no way that TraceyLyn is scum, and she'd probably going to be one of the last two townies standing, making the final decision .

[DrippingGoofball]

If camn moved off TL-town, towards Seastorm-scum, that would make her town at this point.