The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Thor665]

I feel like I'm having to pull teeth here.

Are you saying a lack of fluff posting from the slot = less townish slot?

[Konowa]

Yes.

[Sixty]

Konowa: We appreciate being called cute and fluffy (And cute and fluffy = Town? Why does no one ever go along with that idea? That would be

awesome!

)

We are already voting scum. Join us and make a puppy happy today!

[Thor665]

Last game I was in with the hydra (Reverse mafia) they didn't have much fluff posting at all. They were town (albeit scummy town who thought someone would be a solo mason...)
Do you have a Hydra example to back your theory - being in a Hydra does affect posting habits in my opinion.
Also, i think I hate you for bringing this up, because regardless of alignment it's likely to get us more fluff posting from that slot.

Who do you think is the scumbuddy bussing me?

[Thor665]

And as usual - Thor is right.

[Konowa]

What do you think of my scum in Stefan, pidgey, Sixty comment?

[pidgey]

Thor: I think you were really scummy with your dumb accusations about me cussing less= scum, so thats the first

The cop result is just an added bonus that kondi threw and that im willing to go for for now.

I believe he at least recieved a PM that he can kill and cop once. Whether that will become a reality or be 100% effective we will find out.

I have no problem really lynching you today and i dont really mind a shot on GreyICE since that slot is under fire a lot but thats for him to decide0

Dont really care abo0ut your reads or if you think im halfscum halfderptown

[pidgey]

Cause if you were town you would have given us enough reads ever since the cop claim, which you really havent. You have mostly been discussing if we should trust a cop result or not.

[Konowa]

I still haven't seen a reason to vote Grey outside of "screamo not meta". I've never played with Grey, so it's hardly convincing. CKD's back track case really doesn't hold weight for me, either.

Sixty: Read on the Kimor/Thor slot, please.

[greenknight]

Cause if you were town you would have given us enough reads ever since the cop claim, which you really havent. You have mostly been discussing if we should trust a cop result or not.

Huh? Thor has given quite a few opinions on people and been hyperactive since replacing in, which makes his statement that we should be pressing him for reads weird. What he's not done is make a real case as to why Klick's cop result could be invalid; his initial stance was "confirm the sanity is guaranteed and I'll selfvote" and he questioned Klick about the flavour, but suddenly dropped that entire line of inquiry after Klick proceeded to claim vig as well.

Instead he's attacking the wagon on him for

- being for "information" (which it isn't)
- not attempting to direct Klick's nightkill (what would be the point of this? I already pointed out that we don't want town night actions telegraphed to scum)
- not pressing him for reads (why would we want to? If he's scum everything he posted since the claim is WIFOM, and if he's town he's posted a lot so we can presume that all his strong reads are already covered)

This isn't a convincing defence.

[fatlikepig]

Okay, I'm back (cut me a break, guys! D:) from an eventful exam period!

CKD, I don't think you've posted that quote you were talking about yet, have you?

From what I can tell, Klick is town. Klickscum doesn't make any sense given the fact that he was under no pressure (so why fakeclaim, etc), Klick being third party also doesn't make sense (given that Jesters aren't in this game, iirc), and if Klick were scum, why would he even try diverting attention from "scumbuddy-GreyICE", etc etc.

From what I can tell, there aren't really any flavour reasons to doubt Klick's sanity, are there?

VOTE: Thor (L-2)

[Sixty]

Sixty: Read on the Kimor/Thor slot, please.

You would

also

benefit from reading our posts in isolation.

[Thor665]

What do you think of my scum in Stefan, pidgey, Sixty comment?

I see Pidgey as decent chance, Stefan as null, and suspect you're wrong on Sixty.

Cause if you were town you would have given us enough reads ever since the cop claim, which you really havent. You have mostly been discussing if we should trust a cop result or not.

Huh? Thor has given quite a few opinions on people and been hyperactive since replacing in, which makes his statement that we should be pressing him for reads weird.

This is fascinating because I think he's attacking Pidgey *and* me at the same time and for different reasons.
I'll go 'huh?'
And, yeah, I've been active, but no one besides Konowa has actually really asked me for my reads - so, yeah, that's a silly defense "Oh, *I* haven't asked you for reads because you've given so many thus far..." Actually, I've given a fair shake, but hardly an exhaustive one and Konowa has already asked me for opinions on a slot I had provided *nothing* on thus far, of which there are many more. So, yeah, seriously?

What he's not done is make a real case as to why Klick's cop result could be invalid; his initial stance was "confirm the sanity is guaranteed and I'll selfvote" and he questioned Klick about the flavour, but suddenly dropped that entire line of inquiry after Klick proceeded to claim vig as well.

1. Actually I have expressed my beliefs as to why the cop claim is incorrect in the results. I have also stated i believe the cop claim...so, yeah, whut?
2. Klick ended up not claiming sanity in any real way, he says he thinks he's sane...because! Show me where I got that wrong and you can have your self-vote. I'm excited about this.

Instead he's attacking the wagon on him for

- being for "information" (which it isn't)
- not attempting to direct Klick's nightkill (what would be the point of this? I already pointed out that we don't want town night actions telegraphed to scum)
- not pressing him for reads (why would we want to? If he's scum everything he posted since the claim is WIFOM, and if he's town he's posted a lot so we can presume that all his strong reads are already covered)

This isn't a convincing defence.

Yeah, how weird of me to attack the wagon on me - I'm so saucy and strange

1. It isn't? This wagon gets worse and worse - frankly I thought that was about the best logic there was to it, lynch me to learn about Klick - derp. But...I guess it's not...?

2. Well, with everyone commenting on how "bad" Klick's method of play is thus far I would have thought someone wouldn't trust his shot. Giving him a couple of prime targets of preference (*cough*Grey*cough* might be useful for town. What's the worst that happens, scum blocks a Vig everyone is calling derp? Yeah, cry me a river - what will that change besides scum not being up on anyone else?

3. I disagree with this, but at least it's a stance that's less derp than your one earlier in this post where I'd already provided enough reads. Which do you believe more?


Also, what's your read on ABR?

[Thor665]

From what I can tell, there aren't really any flavour reasons to doubt Klick's sanity, are there?

What's your read on ABR and GreyICE?

[Konowa]

I'm not seeing anything.
Only time you [Sixty] reference the slot is when Grey calls Kimor content valuable and you question him on it? I don't see any alignment indicative statements. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Konowa]

I really think "bastard" is getting to me.

[Thor665]

^^^
This. (well, one above 'this')

The closest he gets to a comment is that he thinks I should die at night as opposed to via lynch.

[StefanB]

Thor:

Lynching you for a Joatguilty and your play afterwards right.

You apparently don't trust the kill portion of the claim.

I don't trust the kill to happen 100% without interference.
I also don't think it is a good idea if you are scum to give you a free nightaction.

You haven't said 'boo' to him about applicable other targets (hint: Grey should be one)

Directing a powerrole is not the best idea und well if he needs people telling him good targets, that has kind of happened allready just not direct. Btw he should have some targets allready.

Besides Konowa (sort of) you haven't tried to force me to offer reads on anyone, which if I'm town is valuable,a nd if I'm scum is more valuable.

Personally I am not sure, if asking a person whose reaction is "Lala will not read, you are scum because I am lazy!" is worth anythink. If town you will give us reads and there are some in your iso anyway. If scum I will give a ratshit about your reads when you are heading for your slaughter. Before the claim they are interesting, after guesswork.

Besides you are Thor, I am not forcing you to do anythink (I can't command a god) and frankly a lot of the thinks I just posted, should be painful obvious to you.

Faitlip: None that I know of, besides it's bastard.

[Sixty]

I'm not seeing anything.
Only time you [Sixty] reference the slot is when Grey calls Kimor content valuable and you question him on it? I don't see any alignment indicative statements. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You don't?

That's a pity. Perhaps later.

[Thor665]

@Stefan

Directing a power role that you think is playing badly *is* a good idea.
Lynching the non-info lynch and hoping someone shoots someone useful for info *is* a bad idea.
My play hasn't been scummy either before or after the claim.

What's your read on ABR and GreyICE?

@Sixty -

[Konowa]

I'm going to chalk you balling with me to post-election drinking game fuzziness.

[Sixty]

@Sixty -

Yes? Can we help you?

[Thor665]

@Sixty - what's your read on me as regards my likelihood to be town or scum?
Also ABR.

[Sixty]

@Sixty - what's your read on me as regards my likelihood to be town or scum?
Also ABR.

Those are boring questions. Come back when you have better ones.

[StefanB]

Sixtys reads:
Town: IceNinja, Jason, Konowa
Scum: GreyIce, StefanB, Kimor/Thor (kind of in 435)


(not sure If really meaned: town: ABR, Smugen
Scum: Kortul)
How serious was 428 Sixty?

Thor: Thanks for first serious answer.
ABR-read: (I waited if I was asked)

ABR is posting so little that I have trouble with reading him.
What I find interesting is how he went from Kimor is scum (other than the
Greenknightvote and now GreyIce) to Thor is town 671 cop is meaningless.
(Let's leave out the tryes to be lynch part)
Not Thorpartner I thing. Scummy as hell, worth a shot or other thinks.

About Grey: Well look at my iso. I am thorn. There is the posible Zdenekconection. (really read that 2)
I remember thinking Grey came of better looking against CKD imho.
On the other hand Sixtys metaplay
and just found this:
GreyIce post 254

Jumped ship: Fatlikepig, StefanB, Kortul

Which ones of these do you have good feelings about? Kortul's pretty much outed scum if ICENinja is red, and the other two are bad.

Yes, I'm sure he has buddies who are not posting or just off doing their own thing or whatever, but I think you can dunk ICENinja and Kortul, then go back and clean up Shmugen and CKD (who is now AWOL) and get probably 2-4 scumflips (and I'm leaning at least 3).

Post 426:

Albert.

"He didn't post any content, except for one thing, which was truly awful."

Is this a good reason to be voting someone?

Because I assure you, I will collapse onto that wagon, long before I hit a wagon that looks like this:

Kimor (5) -

Albert B. Rampage

, kortul,

Konowa

, StefanB,

Shmugen

That wagon, that scares me.

Shmugen went from voting me. To voting CKD. To voting Kimor. Without bothering to call any of us town. Ye gods, he went from calling me scum, to going "GreyICE has a point" to going "Well, CKD has produced nothing, but yeah, I don't need to vote him."
You're posting garbage, and are absolutely the sort of ballsy player who would let the scum flag fly day 1 with the thought you'll get out of it day 2+.
Konowa... giant question mark.

I checked he never mentioned Kortul again (or me). After rereading, there is somethink wrong with Grey. Very wrong.

BUT THERE IS A COPGUILTY ON YOU. From a slot that is by all logic town and asides from this is bastard I have no reason to disbelief it. You are not claiming miller (Yepp, call this rolefishing, I don't care), this is a dayaction (so no one interfere) and we would be fucking stupid to leave you allive.

Of course I am sad, that we have to lynch you. Cool Thor is replacing in, was my first reaction, but that's live.