The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[curiouskarmadog]

I will catch up by thursday or friday morning

skimmed this page and saw that sword is asking the same questions that I asked pages ago. hint sword: he ignored answering my questions 3 times, good luck getting that answered. grey needs to go...there are ways to check out the validity of klick's shit, though nothing he has done nothing that makes since as town....or really as scum for that matter, unless he is trying to counter Grey's wagon, which he has almost done.

grey is either at -2 or -1...someone finish him or help finish him.

[curiouskarmadog]

also note that klick has posted in 3 other threads today..

[sword_of_omens]

@Sword - your vote of me and unvote after 'reading' feels really awkward. If you hadn't read enough to have a clear opinion why put me to L-2 (or L-3, whichever) with no questions asked?

umm..i had a pretty clear opinion when i placed my vote on you. I even explained when i did it.
Klick's actions made no sense as scum or indy. He claimed a guilty on you. He was under no scrutiny or pressure at the time and Grey was at L-1. It would have been stupid to try and save Greyscum like that. And it would have been stupid to try and look pro-town by bussing Thorscum out of nowhere, especially when he could get a free lynch on Grey. So scum motivation makes no sense. Same with 3rd party..he could have quietly sat back and let a free lynch pass...

All of a sudden he claims he has a NK and hops over to Grey, where he hasn't even had a scum read on.
That makes no sense town-wise at all? Shouldn't he push your lynch since he has a guilty on you? Instead he says he's happy lynching someone else who he doesn't have a scum read on, apparently so he can use his kill on you tonight.

So..i'm unvoting for now while i'm trying to figure out if the first move on you was really a stupid scum gambit, or what...

[ICEninja]

Grey is at L-1. Someone go ahead and hammer.

Sword, in response to you, I think Klick could very well be Dalton, who has the ability to find other scum. Dalton and Marcone, for example, would both be scum but absolutely not aligned.

[Konowa]

I think we're starting to get too far into outguess the mod area with flavor speculation.

[Zdenek]

First of all, ABR's switch to town read on Thor looks bad.

You are all lynching me (I'll presume for 'info') off a claimed Cop/Vig's comment.
You apparently don't trust the kill portion of the claim.
You haven't said 'boo' to him about applicable other targets (hint: Grey should be one)
Besides Konowa (sort of) you haven't tried to force me to offer reads on anyone, which if I'm town is valuable,a nd if I'm scum is more valuable.

Nope. Scum read on Kimor, scum read on you. Plus cop guilty on you.

Klick gets to shoot who he wants. I'm not instructing him Who he picks will make it easier to read him, hopefully.

I don't care about your wifom reads. If you're town, you should be happy to give them.

Sixty's stance on the GreyICE/Thor wagons is driving me crazy. Their case on GreyICE is incredibly mediocre, but they are pushing it like nobody's business, and they're read on Thor is vague; although they seem fine with him being nightkilled.

Sixty: Read on the Kimor/Thor slot, please.

You would

also

benefit from reading our posts in isolation.

What the fuck is this? Post number where you give a clear read on the slot? Well they finally give a read on Thor as not a scum read.

ICninja. RE. 767. ARE YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING ABOUT MOI AND ROLE-CHARACTER ASSIGNMENTS, IN NON-BASTARD GAMES? WE SHOULD EXPECT IT TO BE WORSE HERE.

There's a chance that he's not who he says he is, but that's it, and it's a really shitty reason to not lynch Thor at this point.

The way people are trying to line up lynches based on Grey's flip and their refusal to make the solid play and vote for Thor is pure madness.

[Thor665]

@Zdenek - maybe you should tell everyone why Kimor was scum regardless of the investigation on me, that would help your case, yeah?

[Zdenek]

@Zdenek - maybe you should tell everyone why Kimor was scum regardless of the investigation on me, that would help your case, yeah?

That would be his ISO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Klick is probably Dalton. But I don't feel like there's time to do anything about this so

let's just lynch Grey today and figure out Klick/Thor

tomorrow

.

Okay.

QFT

[Thor665]

@Zdenek - maybe you should tell everyone why Kimor was scum regardless of the investigation on me, that would help your case, yeah?

That would be his ISO.

Ah, of course. But clearly that isn't selling anyone yet - have you maybe offered more concise points? I know he's so terrible that literally every post was a scum claim, but maybe outline only 2-3 of them or something?

[Zdenek]

Kimor:

Main issue in the early game was his unwarranted defense of Klick, and failing to comment on the lead wagons.

Then's there's nice sounding fluff, he makes a lot of excuses for not noticing the wagons and defending Klick over nothing.

He eventually gives a list of 5 people who he is somewhat concerned with, which is incredibly wishy-washy. He defends ICEninja without giving a read on him.

He vote's Kortul for making a lame case on Jason, who he is concerned with. Considering that what Jason was being voted for was obvious, voting Kortul for not mentioning that is a massive stretch.

In the next post with content, he defends himself and misreps Kortul's attack on him.

[Thor665]

1. Unwarranted defense on a now claimed cop who is calling us guilty - obvious scumplay is obvious...whut?. (oh, and he even explained it in 216 in a manner that looks to make sense to me, maybe you should address that and how it makes him more scummy, or were you ignoring it on purpose?)

2. Repeat. Again, at worst you're calling Kimor scumbuddies with Klick (and in recent light...yeah) At worst you're calling it buddying. But he did the same thing with ICEninja, so do you think he's doing it to all his buddies and you have half the team there? Or do you think Kimor is just a derp player?

3. I would presume defense of someone *is* a read. He also offered scum reads but did it in a way weaker than you would like - because scum are known for not wanting to call people scummy.

4. That at least sounds like a scumtell - you're saying he suspected Jason and attacked Kortul anyway? I'd agree that's questionable.

5. Looking at this I wouldn't call it a misrep - Kimor was defending the accusation from the knowledge he was town and was admitting what he did (read suckily) Kortul was after him for what he thought he did (duck giving reads) Obviously Kimor knows he didn't do that and also fully realizes he was a derp who missed the wagon. Looks not like a misrep at all. At worst you could call it, 'defending from something he wasn't accused of because he's claiming that's what he did' But that doesn't actually really strike me as scummy. In fact it strikes me as a town tell.

No wonder everyone believes Kimor slot is scum without the cop investigation.
I stand in awe of your case. I'll self-vote later.

[Thor665]

EBWOP

3. Though going back and looking, he listed Kortul suspicion at the same time as Jason suspicion. That seems reasonable. He doesn't like either but made a value call to one of them as scummier. Was he obligated to like a bad attack on a slot he thought was scummy for reasons not related to the attack? Nah.

[ICEninja]

ICninja. RE. 767. ARE YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING ABOUT MOI AND ROLE-CHARACTER ASSIGNMENTS, IN NON-BASTARD GAMES? WE SHOULD EXPECT IT TO BE WORSE HERE.

Alright so I heard MoI gave one character a completely out of character role in a past game. And it's a bastard game. That's nice. The role, flavor, response I got from MoI when I asked a question about my role, what I can/cannot do, all make as much sense within the flavor as they possibly can. I'm going to assume that a majority of the roles in this game are going to make sense.

I would like to lynch Thor based on the fact that we have a guilty on him, I wouldn't mind lynching Klick based on how suspicious his role claim is after thinking everything through, but honestly both of those things really require more time and discussion.

There will be time tomorrow. Just lynch Grey already.

[Thor665]

We are trying to work on that - I don't think I can call the votes on me stupid in any other possible ways than I already have.

[ICEninja]

They're not stupid. But something isn't right with Klick's claim so it has to wait.

[fatlikepig]

Did you notice his slip I pointed out multiple times?

Yes, actually, I did. It's interesting, but only really becomes noteworthy if you flip town.

CKD, stop ignoring me and hoping people will hammer before you have to justify yourself, will you?

[Thor665]

They're not stupid. But something isn't right with Klick's claim so it has to wait.

Yes, actually, I did. It's interesting, but only really becomes noteworthy if you flip town.

[Shamrock]

Zero percent of Klick's claim makes sense. If he had a guilty and a nightkill he would not have bothered claiming the guilty. He likes pulling stupid gambits but he is not a complete retard.

I honestly have no idea what he was hoping to accomplish here as any alignment. I have tried to think about it from the perspective of town, mafia, and SK and nothing makes sense. I just don't see the upside.

We should probably just lynch GreyICE.

[ICEninja]

I'm home from the bar and Grey isn't lynched yet.

I'm disappointed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

slip

Who the hell are you quoting? I never said this.

[curiouskarmadog]

Did you notice his slip I pointed out multiple times?

CKD, stop ignoring me and hoping people will hammer before you have to justify yourself, will you?

justify finding scum for you?

please repost whatever you are talking about.

[Klick]

Zero percent of Klick's claim makes sense.

If he had a guilty and a nightkill he would not have bothered claiming the guilty.

He likes pulling stupid gambits but he is not a complete retard.

I honestly have no idea what he was hoping to accomplish here as any alignment. I have tried to think about it from the perspective of town, mafia, and SK and nothing makes sense. I just don't see the upside.

We should probably just lynch GreyICE.

I already went over this.

[curiouskarmadog]

Jesus can we lynch grey now?

[greenknight]

Hey Klick:

1) What's the flavour behind your nightkill?
2) Why do you want to lynch Greyice now rather than your guilty result, Thor?