NY 160: Terrible Melodrama Mafia (Game Over)

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't say rolefishing, DC.

I said "fishing", although the correct term seems to be "throwing out random shit and seeing what sticks". 4nxiety seemed to pick a totally random player to call scummy. Ergo, fishing for a scummy response. I guess it's an older pre-internet usage of the phrase, but it's closely related to phishing, at least in etymological origin. You have to pay attention at the meetings Dad.

[DeasVail]

Vote Count 1.10

PiggyGal15 (4)- Cletus+Brandine, Untrod Tripod, adorkable, Senjai
JacobSavage (3)- theamatuer, PiggyGal15, DoomYoshi
N (3)- Demon Core, Toon Fighter, RedCoyote
Cletus+Brandine (2)- JacobSavage, 4nxi3ty
Senjai (1)- Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1)- Plan B
Toon Fighter (1)- N

Not voting: No one!

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

V/LA

Half of adorkable- Until the 8th

Prods

Untrod Tripod

Replacing

theamatuer

Deadline

14th November, 6am AEDT

[adorkable]

okay, so I forgot to post the other night

welp

catching up now

[adorkable]

unvote
vote: Nero Cain

page 8 #180, his response to the Plan B case is shitty and reeks of NC/anxiety buddies

Nero doesn't have a wagon - but there's lots of (actually explained) suspicion of him floating around.

this doesn't help NC's case

actually I think it makes him more likely to be scum. huh.

Also, I don't wall post. I never wall post... well okay, I wall post as scum, but I hate wall posting.

ugh

I hate wall posts. I really really do. But *WALLPOST*

UGH

adorkable is so cute. My FOS of Nero was completely sarcastic. I can't vote two people at once, so I FOSed him instead. And that gives you enough reason to vote me? That username fits you well ^.^

aww, she's being condescending, that's adorable

piggy is scum for reasons already mentioned and for the caving in and making a longer post because someone else expected her to; eventhough she wasn't planning on making one and hates making wall posts.

nah

typically scum wouldn't be so stupid as to admit they wallpost as scum then wallpost

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I can see Piggy being power. Makes sense, especially (and I'm stealing this from... someone) given her wallpost of nullreads. Tends to indicate PR more than not, especially as some players rely more on PR scans than D1 reads when they draw said roles.

290/291: TF vs N is silly. Stop being silly pls

[Demon Core]

I don't really get the N wagon, unless it's about him piddling around off in a corner to appear busy? Am I on the right track with the reasoning?

See, this guy gets it.

[Demon Core]

N (3)- Demon Core, Toon Fighter, RedCoyote
Nero Cain (1)- Plan B

Cool kids vote these wagons^

[PiggyGal15]

UNVOTE:

I'm all for a NC wagon... I don't think N has enough scumminess to warrant my vote yet.

VOTE: Nero

[Senjai]

NC is my #2. VOTE: NC

[DoomYoshi]

Nero's play does seem off (compared to our last game together). This is why getting invested in a game is a bad thing. I can't tell what Nero actually thinks about much.... Except that he doesn't like senjai on a personal level. Is that the same as waffling? This is the better of the two wagons.

N is a total noob, so I am not surprised he looks scummy.

Senjai, if a JS flip tells us about NC, does a NC flip work reverse?

He should take mine. I don't care for that post, and I don't know why DY had to quote you when he was voting JS. It immediately makes it look like he's trying to defend N over the tiniest bit of pressure.

The post in question had 3 seperate points. Point a was a reply to anxiety (which was misinterpreted by DC), point b was a comment on DC's proposal. I was looking forward to the development of that storyline. Point c was my vote, off the claimed watcher onto my default position. Since the same post was misinterpreted twice, I suppose I will slow down my thought process for everyone.

[Cletus+Brandine]

I have to catch up in this game and will do so today. I see that Piggy claimed Watcher... I think it is imperative she claim results first thing tomorrow because Watcher can be easy to fake and I don't want to give her any help.

[4nxi3ty]

page 8 #180, his response to the Plan B case is shitty and reeks of NC/anxiety buddies

in what way?

[Untrod Tripod]

oh hey I got prodded

my compooper has been on the fritz, so I'll catch up with this game today

[Toon Fighter]

Hello

Didn't like Piggy's and Senjai's combo bandwagoning, especially after DC's post;

[Senjai]

TF NC has been my #2 Scumread all game, feel free to read back. Will an NC lynch tell us the same? Not sure, I'll have to catchup and determine if it would. I don't think so, though. Remember that post when i said I had to go out for a job interview? Yea I got it, and its taking a lot of my time.

[DoomYoshi]

I have to catch up in this game and will do so today. I see that Piggy claimed Watcher... I think it is imperative she claim results first thing tomorrow because Watcher can be easy to fake and I don't want to give her any help.

oh hey I got prodded

my compooper has been on the fritz, so I'll catch up with this game today

Am I the only one waiting on these catch ups?

[Plan B]

@ DoomYoshi

No, you're not.

Would also love to hear from N, Nero Cain, JacobSavage.

N and Nero Cain wagons need more votes.

Join one.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, Plan B, but if JS flips scum, I'm going to fos you hardcore.

So I reread N and Nero Cain again. I know I just said NC was the better wagon, but I've changed my mind. N hasn't really said much of anything, except for the awkward call out of Cletus. I am still watching NC though, I want to see how he reacts now that he has time to calm down.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: N

[Plan B]

Ok, Plan B, but if JS flips scum, I'm going to fos you hardcore.

Alright?

I feel like I just got threatened that if something I don't believe will happen happens, you'll pummel me with a pillow.

Why not just advocate for a JacobSavage lynch if you feel so strongly about him and the potential connection to me?

[DeasVail]

Prodding JacobSavage.

Nero Cain is V/LA.

[RedCoyote]

Careful, my ego can only take so much stroking. After that, it just feels like manipulation.

Understood. You're my number one townie at the moment. I don't necessarily agree with you in regards to JS, but I respect your argument and will hold off. I don't think I have the capital nor the inclination to pursue him. I think I'm more confident in my N read anyways.

Sure, if it came in a natural flow. This didn't. Nero Cain was away for three days. The outburst was out of proportion to anything I can imagine he'd really be feeling. That makes it seem fake, ostentatious. It's like PiggyGal15's big post. They're both like costume jewelry. All shiny and pretty to look at, but worthless, really.

Another good point. I don't know if I can earnestly defend NC from a lynch today. I just know that being a dick seemed to fall in line with general town meta as well as townNC I have played with before. I won't put myself in front of this wagon over it.

I don't really get the N wagon, unless it's about him piddling around off in a corner to appear busy? Am I on the right track with the reasoning?

Overcautious. Not committing to a vote for too long of a time. Not committing to scumreads for too long of a time. Being critical of aggressive players for trying to move the game forward on "easy" wagons. Generally playing under the radar. Expressing fears of a "quicklynch" 10 pages into the game with 60% of the day done, deadline-wise.

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Didn't like Piggy's and Senjai's combo bandwagoning, especially after DC's post;

Because PG15 is scum scum scum. Senjai was just being concise. He has expressed suspicion on NC before, so I see nothing wrong or peculiar with his vote.

[Nero Cain]

Because you said defending another player who can defend himself is scummy.

See here's the thing. You're playing like an obvious noob but you’re putting all sorts of words into my mouth and your general inability to read the thread is making me doubt that you are new and not just an alt.

But I'd love to see where I said this 'cause I don't remember that.

Nero Cain was away for three days.

Your point? It sounds like you're accusing me of prod dodging here. If you think I read the post, went away for three days and then commented it on it then you must be from Egypt ‘cause you are obviously in denial.

[quote="In post 303, adorkable]

Nero doesn't have a wagon - but there's lots of (actually explained) suspicion of him floating around.

this doesn't help NC's case

actually I think it makes him more likely to be scum. huh.

This makes no sense at all. You think I'm more likely to be scum 'cause

OTHERS

find me scummy. Way to blend in.

+Am I the only one that read his post as a big fence sit on piggy?

I don't know if I can earnestly defend NC from a lynch today.

So you think Piggy is scum but you don’t really care if I’m lynched over her?

I’m really thinkin’ that Plan B is scum with Piggy. He’s really fence sitting on her. Joins the Jacob wagon then calls me scummy for not finding Jacob scummy then when the Jacob wagon starts to loose steam he jumps off for finding Jacob not scummy. (HELLO CONJETIVE DISSONANCE!!!) And he didn’t answer my last question which really annoys me.

Vote:piggy

If it’s a scum slot then there’s no reason to trust here results so if she flips scum then I bet she has some buddies in the group saying “let her live.”

[RedCoyote]

No, frankly, I don't. I don't have a strong enough townread on you.

[JacobSavage]

hello I got prodded. I will read the thread and post more over the weekend.

[Plan B]

Your point? It sounds like you're accusing me of prod dodging here. If you think I read the post, went away for three days and then commented it on it then you must be from Egypt ‘cause you are obviously in denial.

No. It was the intensity of your outburst after being gone that was out of proportion in my mind. I can understand being heated. I can't understand how you would have that level of animosity on a personal basis when you were gone from the game for a period of time. If it happened in a rapid-fire back and forth, I'd likely agree with RedCoyote's assessment that your expressed anger was a Town indicator.

I don't get the association to prod dodging from what I said. Your particular selective editting gives that impression, I guess, but the quote in whole doesn't.

Joins the Jacob wagon then calls me scummy for not finding Jacob scummy then when the Jacob wagon starts to loose steam he jumps off for finding Jacob not scummy. (HELLO CONJETIVE DISSONANCE!!!) And he didn’t answer my last question which really annoys me.

You're shooting wide of the mark, again.

I never called you scummy for not finding JacobSavage scummy. I called you scummy for attempting to derail his wagon when you didn't have a strong Town read on him, or any Town read for that matter. You claimed that was not your intent. I don't believe you.

And, yep, I jumped off the JacobSavage wagon because I found him not scummy on review. Is that really scummy in your opinion?

So.....if a player says "this guy is scummy for X but this guy isn't" that doesn't make you question your read on the player that said it and by extension the player thats getting wagoned? I couldn't remembe exactly who said it so I asked the whole wagon.

This question?

I read that as a rhetorical question posed as part of your answer to me on why you asked a question to the whole JacobSavage wagon.

So, sure, if someone said that, I'd question their alignment. I don't recall anyone doing that.

These cobbled together arguments lead me to believe I am correct about you. Time to swing.

[PiggyGal15]

NC, mind explaining to me, why if you find two people scummy, you go for the claimed PR, and not the one you just made a case on? o.O