The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. Lynch GreyIce.

[Zdenek]

1. Unwarranted defense on a now claimed cop who is calling us guilty - obvious scumplay is obvious...whut?

Cute trying to use the fact that he's a claimed cop, as though Kimor new that at the start.

(oh, and he even explained it in 216 in a manner that looks to make sense to me, maybe you should address that and how it makes him more scummy, or were you ignoring it on purpose?)

Practically every action can be explained, and the problem is that Kimor was ignoring the main wagons at the time.

2. Repeat. Again, at worst you're calling Kimor scumbuddies with Klick (and in recent light...yeah) At worst you're calling it buddying. But he did the same thing with ICEninja, so do you think he's doing it to all his buddies and you have half the team there? Or do you think Kimor is just a derp player?

At the moment, I'd say it was buddying.

3. I would presume defense of someone *is* a read. He also offered scum reads but did it in a way weaker than you would like - because scum are known for not wanting to call people scummy.

Defending someone is not offering a read on them.
And yes, scum do fencesit and attack people weakly.

Yes, I could have phrased that more politely, sorry.

But I don't believe you, and even if I'm wrong to not believe you, it doesn't matter because you can just kill Thor tonight, so whatever.

Why do you think this kill will go through?

Klick has little reason to shoot anyone but Thor. Thor will be flipped tomorrow, or Klick will be dead tomorrow, or the scum have a roleblocker.

Thanks for that. If you understand all of that, it should be fucking clear to you that we should be lynching Thor.

This really is driving me crazy. Klick is probably an idiot who thoughtlessly claimed his result. There's a chance this is some sort of gambit, but claiming day-cop, night-vig on day one is suicide, so it's unlikely that he's scum.

[Shmugen]

I don't see the connection between what I said and lynching Thor being the obvious conclusion.

[Zdenek]

I don't see the connection between what I said and lynching Thor being the obvious conclusion.

Tell me what you think tomorrow will be like under the circumstance if we lynch GreyICE and the one where we lynch Thor.

[Shmugen]

We lynch Grey. If Klick is town, he's probably dead. If scum have a roleblocker, Thor is alive. Probability of waking up with both of them around, medium to low?

We lynch Thor. If he flips town, Klick is insane town or scum, and there's unlikely to be a definitive course of action for him. If Klick is town, Thor is dead, so Klick fires blind and kills someone. GreyICE is still around having not contributed a lick to the last important days of the Day.

[Zdenek]

So, is the main reason that you want to lynch GreyIC Shamrock's case?

[ICEninja]

We're getting uncomfortably close to the deadline.

Can someone please hammer?

[Shmugen]

The cases made against Grey have been decent, but of all the players in this game, Grey is the one I know the best. I've been scum with him from the beginning, I've replaced into a game with him as scum, and I think I've been town with him once somewhere. That Grey had a serious case against him, looked at the deadline, and said he needed a break has me thinking one thing, that he didn't think his case was salvageable by anyone but himself. People need breaks from the sight, shit happens, but to not replace out before deadline with the leading wagon? His hope for his slot, I presume, is that if he left something would take attention away from him and when he eventually returned, he could clean up what he left behind.

[Zdenek]

The meta case on GreyICE has to be the vaguest meta case I have ever seen people buy into so whole-heartedly.

[Shmugen]

Refute my point about what we'll end up with tomorrow.

[Zdenek]

Refute my point about what we'll end up with tomorrow.

I really just wanted to see if that had anything to do with whether you wanted to lynch GreyICE over Thor.

[Shmugen]

I'm not in the best position to ask. I'm very wary of Thor, but I've always wanted to be in a game with him. I'd be much happier if the Thor issue resolved itself tonight via Klick. Thor flipping town creates problems, Thor flipping scum would be best, lynching Grey is the middle ground, and one vote away, and deadline.

[Konowa]

If Klick is town, he needs to be voting Thor and then not advertise who he is going to shoot. Scum probably have a ton of power in this game. Saying he is going to shoot X only gives scum the opportunity to redirect/block/busdrive the shot as they see fit.

I don't see why anyone is having a hard time with this.
Shmu going on about Grey V/LAing when he has done so, and been replaced, in other games is bothersome.

[pidgey]

So lets lynch thor and kondi kills whoever the hell he wants. I believe 100% he is telling the truth from his perspective. Plus I have a scum read on Thor. Let's see just how much of a bastard this game is.

[Shmugen]

Then why didn't he here, Konowa? I'm not harping on the VLA, I was asked why I preferred Grey and answered.

[Konowa]

Ongoing. Can't answer that.

[Sixty]

If Klick is town, he needs to be

[etc.]

If Klick is Town, we trust he knows what he's doing.

For the love of three gallons of holy water on short notice, could someone please hammer

someone

?
This Day is a corpse that does not yet know it is dead.

Also,

The Current deadline is Friday, Novemeber 9 at 10:00 am EDT.

Countdown is 0 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes.

(Also also, "November" is spelled incorrectly.)

Yeah yeah yeah I noticed that some point and forgot to correct my master sheet. No biscuits for you

(Also also also, woof.)

[pidgey]

FrankerZ

(who gets this)

[Konowa]

Buying that this is role madness, Vi (did I get it right?). Not really buying Klick as town. If, if, if, beetlejuice.

[Thor665]

Lynch thor, kill greyice sounds good for everyone?

Pidgey, if you are town, you really should engage brain.
Look at where the cop with a guilty on me is voting and gain wisdom.

1. Unwarranted defense on a now claimed cop who is calling us guilty - obvious scumplay is obvious...whut?

Cute trying to use the fact that he's a claimed cop, as though Kimor new that at the start.

Read it again, Sherlock. the point is *if* he was my buddy (as you claim you're pegging him as) then what the hell is the point of me buddying him so he can claim a cop guilty on me? My point is it also doesn't make any sense to buddy Klick unless he's your buddy, and if he's my buddy then he should still be the one dead first as the test regardless.
Also, newsflash - he's pretty clearly not my buddy...so.

Practically every action can be explained, and the problem is that Kimor was ignoring the main wagons at the time.

In my experience with Kimor scum this is not how he plays. You know different?

Defending someone is not offering a read on them.

Good luck selling that one with others.

Also, if you really think the GreyICE case is bad look at this again.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4433109

The case is not bad and isn't even meta based except for some people - but that's the point I'm sheeping.

[ICEninja]

Also, if you really think the GreyICE case is bad look at this again.
viewtopic.php?p=4433109#p4433109

The case is not bad and isn't even meta based except for some people - but that's the point I'm sheeping.

SERIOUSLY. WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING THE 2 POINTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH META?

LYNCH GREY FOR SMURFS SAKE.

[curiouskarmadog]

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Why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk?

I was talking about him being scum, you dumb shit.

Wait a minute? Are you now denying that you were mentioning daytalk?

It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful.

"I'm discouraged, that's why I'm less active!"

Really scumbag? Really?

then enlighten me, what did this mean? when you say "it is hard to scumhunt, when you are trying to track down the people in your QT" when the fuck is he trying to scumhunt? at night?

BULLSHIT..

Yes, CKD.

When I said "track down the people in your quicktopic" I was referring to daytalk.

AND NOT THE FACT THAT EVERY SCUMTEAM ON MAFIASCUM GETS A GODDAMN QUICKTOPIC THAT THEY CAN CHAT WITH THEIR SCUMBUDDIES IN.

Can you link me to some games where you go full herpaderp, or is this your scumclaim?

awesome, so why did you say "why do you think my comment had anything to do with daytalk"?...or were you trying to get out of that corner I got you trapped in?

also yes, all scum teams get a QT. but dont fucking change what the issue is. not all scum teams get to fucking day talk.

I like how those who are not voting Grey are completely ignoring this.

he mentions daytalk, then he said he wasnt, then he says all scum get a QT, which is true but not nesscarily a daytalk QT, you notice the lie(s) here? he last said he was just talking about just a QT, but he wasnt...when I pressed him on it he would not answer.

all you grey lovers out there not voting him...explain it... i dont want any "CKD point is shit"...explain WHY it is shit.

the dude said daytalk, then said he didnt, then said he was just talking about QTs in general, then ignored my vote.

if saying daytalk QT for scum, is or is not scummy to you is not important, I am asking about what followed...the deny, then the backtrack, then the lie. this is town? why?

[curiouskarmadog]

I REALLY WANT TO HEAR greenknight, FLP, and Zden defend this.

[fatlikepig]

Maybe because his original post was /never about day talk/? Maybe because it says, "hunting people in your QT", and Grey's explanation has been entirely consistent with the fact that he meant he meant that he was trying to scumhunt the people who shared a QT with him, I.e, his scumbuddies? There's no denial or backtrack to respond to, because neither of those occurred and you're either letting confirmation bias or the fact that you're scum blind you.

Have you been reading the thread, CKD? Have you realised you're also the only one on the Grey pushing this case?

[fatlikepig]

Maybe because his original post was /never about day talk/? Maybe because it says, "hunting people in your QT", and Grey's explanation has been entirely consistent with the fact that he meant he meant that he was trying to scumhunt the people who shared a QT with him, I.e, his scumbuddies? There's no denial or backtrack to respond to, because neither of those occurred and you're either letting confirmation bias or the fact that you're scum blind you.

Have you been reading the thread, CKD? Have you realised you're also the only one on the Grey pushing this case?