The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[ICEninja]

I really don't want to say more. What I have is inconclusive information that

suggests

he is who he says he is.

Unless there are bastard mechanics coming in to play (which, to be perfectly honest, my role flavor left room for bastard mechanics) then Klick is probably who he claims to be. Based on knowledge of the series, I'm inclined to believe that Georgia is sane.

Thor's switch to lynching Klick today after yesterday brushing him off as town

strongly

reinforces my beliefs.

I don't want this to be a speed lynch, but at the same time I feel like this has to go between Klick and Thor, and should play out reasonably quickly. Honestly, without my role information I would be voting Klick right now under the assumption that he is actually Dalton, but with what I know I'm going to believe Klick for now. Others may do as they please with that information, as I really don't have anything strong enough to really convince anyone of anything unless they already trust me.

@Klick, since I'm inclined to believe you for the moment, my personal preference regarding what you should do with your day action is to hit CKD, but not until we've had a few pages to discuss things. Don't wait until last minute, though.

[Shamrock]

You are a strong townread, so I'm inclined to sheep you on this.

Just to be 100% clear, you're saying that you think Klick's flavor claim is truthful but can't say either way on his power?

[Thor665]

Oh, ICE - so clever and yet so not.
I'll make fun of you later.

But, yes, a Thor v. Klick contest is optimal right now - and people should be weighing in.

[ICEninja]

Just to be 100% clear, you're saying that you think Klick's flavor claim is truthful but can't say either way on his power?

Pretty much.

[kortul]

I returned, busy at work already. Will catch up and post my thoughts in the evening. At first glance there might be some work for Jason claimed ability already, if tracking cop means either tracker or cop.

[greenknight]

Well what's the rush to take the day into a Klick-Thor 1v1? We have 2 weeks. Klick's claiming another investigation. Let's get some unfiltered reactions to the rest of d1 before he calls a result on someone.

For the record if we were pushed for time I'd lynch thor:

- I still do not see how Klick completely fabricating a result as scum makes any sense. He could buy Greyice two days, maybe, if he forced a town thor lynch and then was himself lynched? But when we were arguing to lynch thor he flat out refused and insisted we lynch Greyice. and after people are questioning the likelihood of a daycop vig he... claims another investigate. No. The only scenario I can see klick as scum is scum daycop with a result on Thor (A possible explanation for the cop + NK combo), and maybe in this scenario he decided to pretend to be blocked and someone else in his scum team does a night kill.

- Claimed daycop/vig role is unlikely as town due to power level? In a normal game yeah. But we've just seen a very powerful scum role flip.

- If klick had multiple investigations that would actually make him being insane more of a plausible role, vs 1-shot insane daycop which would be completely retarded. Yet thor drops the insanity line of argument and switches read to Klick scum.

- Zdenek and stefan who strongly advocated lynching Thor *both* being dead also increases the likelihood of Thor scum. Because these are the players who would look very town after a Thor scum flip.

[fatlikepig]

Not much time, unfortunately, so this is more of a prod-dodge. Will update fully tomorrow

Klick being scum from a different faction seems likely now given the likelihood of multiple factions, the way that this claim has been handled by Klick just seems completely off and doesn't seem like a town claiming at all.

Going to do a reread tomorrow before I make a definite decision, though.

[Sixty]

Rarf!

That will be all for now.

[Sixty]

For those of you who don't speak Puppy: Thor lynch is acceptable Today.

We will be napping in the popcorn bowl if you need us.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 2.2 - As of post 909

Thor665 (2) - Klick, ICENinja
Klick (2) - Shmugen, Thor665

Not Voting (11) - Sixty, kortul, sword_of_omens, fatlikepig, pidgey, Shamrock, Konowa, greenknight, curiouskarmadog, Albert B. Rampage, jasonT1981

The Current deadline is Sunday, Novemeber 25 at 6:00pmam EST. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-25 18:00:00).

With 15 active votes - 8 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

[curiouskarmadog]

The Current deadline is Sunday, Novemeber 25 at 6:00pmam EST. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-25 18:00:00).

just an fyi, can we push the dead back one day...that falls on thanksgiving for some of us.

reading now.

[curiouskarmadog]

As of 523, we had Grey at -2

Vote Count 1.15 - As of post 523

GreyIce (8) - ICENinja, curiouskarmadog, Sixty, Shamrock, Albert B. Rampage, Shmugen, kortul, Thor665
ICENinja (1) - Klick
Thor665 (3) - Konowa, StefanB, Zdenek
curiouskarmadog (4) - fatlikepig, greenknight, GreyICE, jasonT1981
jasonT1981 (2) - pidgey, sword_of_omens

The Current deadline is Friday, Novemeber 9 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-09 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check -
GreyICE has been prodded.

Mod Notes -
Deadline has been extended 2 days at Thor's request. No further extensions to Day 1 will occur.
Klick is V/LA til Tuesday November 6th.
sword_of_omen's V/LA has expired and he has 24 hours to post.
fatlikepig is V/LA until Wednesday November 7th.

525, Klick asks thor “is he town?”
527, klick, “I am waiting for thor to answer before voting someone.”
528, StefanB puts grey at -1
538, klick claims Daycop, and says thor is not town-aligned. (later says he is also a vig)
555, someone asked Klick, why he investigated grey….he stated “because he is thor” (i missed this question, who asked the question??? I would like to know)
Page 25, votes start adding on thor, 1 (sword) peels off of grey and switches to thor
635, Klick votes grey, while having a “guilty” on thor.
643,

Klick, if you have a kill ability, why come out? you could have crumbed it (for later use) killed thor..and kept on going without anyone knowing.

Is ignored and never answered.

648, admits what he did was a terrible idea, but he has yet to explain why he targeted thor OR why he came forward. I would like to hear the thought process behind.

656, grey -2, thor -3

659, I ask my question for 643 again.

660,

also i dont see where you answered this question either..

WHEN during the day did you decide you wanted to investigate thor....and when did you submit your request to do so.

(doesn’t answer this either.)

661,

Something is fishy here, but I don't think it's Klick being scum.

Saw this again, soooo, thoughts now? Now that grey flipped scum, and thor wasn’t killed? Now there could be 100 reasons why it didn’t…but wondering if things are still fishy for you?

680, bolded, capped, increased letter size, to get klick to answer question, still nothing.

(note: at this point we are getting close to deadline this thing could go either way)

735, FTP, puts Thor at -2, and grey is still -2 (noted)

From what I can tell, Klick is town. Klickscum doesn't make any sense given the fact that he was under no pressure (so why fakeclaim, etc), Klick being third party also doesn't make sense (given that Jesters aren't in this game, iirc), and if Klick were scum, why would he even try diverting attention from "scumbuddy-GreyICE", etc etc.

From what I can tell, there aren't really any flavour reasons to doubt Klick's sanity, are there?

FTP, now that grey flipped INVESTIGATION IMMUNE, can you come up with a reason that Klick MIGHT draw a counter wagon off his buddy?

763, sword unvotes Thor (noted) grey -2, thor -3
767, ICEninja unvotes thor, votes grey (noted) grey -1, thor -4
776, I note that Klick was posting elsewhere, but for some reason he chose not to post here? A game where he had pending questions (by multiple people) and a deadline days away?
803,

@Sham: So you're claiming asshole, or what?

helpful
806, Jason votes Thor (noted) grey -1, thor -3, also says he is going to look over thor’s wagon, and votes him in 2 minutes…man he must be a fucking speed reader. Later Jason claims I misrepresented what he said, which is not true

819, sword asks klick almost the exact questions I asked him pages earlier (still no answer from klick)
858, pidgey hammers grey (noted)

866, green also votes grey , little late (noted)
868, so does Stefan. (I would say both of these votes look stechy, but Stefan flipped town)


Based on this, I was say sword and ICEninja look town, or not scum with grey. These two votes were pivotal to grey getting lynched over thor. It was pretty close until these unvotes, votes happened. And maybe to a lesser degree Pidgey hammers looks good. Though he could be scum wanting to look good last minute. But it still could have been either way.

Jason and FTP, look scummish. FTP for deciding to vote thor and putting him at -2 (with grey). Also he spent the end day arguing with me about my grey case. However, as town he might have voted thor because of the result. But why not do that earlier? Jason for his vote…but I have played with him before..not sure he is paying attention to the game… that is why I am saying scummish on these votes…it is worth keeping in mind.

Klick however is scummy.

Questions for Klick (maybe he will answer them today.

1.) why did you investigate Thor because he is Thor, can you provide me a game where you guys played together?

1.5) when yesterday did you decide to target Thor?

2.) What was the thought process behind coming out. Grey was at -1 when you claimed. Then you came out, votes came off grey and onto thor, then you voted grey…if you “thought” grey could be scum, why not just hammer him? This is the scummiest thing you did. You stopped the grey lynch, but got your vote on him to look…what?

3.) why did you not answer ANY of the questions that were asked of you (from me and others)?

@all, I felt like there were two others that asked Klick questions toward the end of the day, if you did please let me know.


Klick, if your next post does not address these questions. I am going to immediately vote you.

[Thor665]

You should vote him now so he has pressure to answer.

[curiouskarmadog]

You should vote him now so he has pressure to answer.

your urging is noted.

[Thor665]

Le sigh.

[Konowa]

Thor is the play today.

Vote: Thor

Catching up everywhere. No need to rush this though.

[Thor665]

With a wagon mate like that I can't imagine anyone should have any issue voting for me.
Bring them on, I'm not likely to start sweating till L-2 or something.

[sword_of_omens]

Back from V/LA , however, i am only at work for a few hours today..

555, someone asked Klick, why he investigated grey….he stated “because he is thor” (i missed this question, who asked the question??? I would like to know)

That was me...

@Klick , as a sign of good faith, can you please investigate Greenknight today, seeing as you say you have another vesty

and yes, there is reason..

Tag fixed

[sword_of_omens]

and tag fail...

MOI can you fixxy fixxy?

[ICEninja]

I would like to note something:

Deadline is going to fall on a holiday weekend. While I will still be able to have some level of activity up through the last 3 days, it's going to be less than normal, and I suspect others will be in the same boat or even worse. I therefore suggest we come to a lynch by Wednesday the 21st (9 days from now). The fact that we have a cop claim with a guilty should make this a fairly simple matter, as it is mostly deciding how much you believe the cop claim or not.

As for CKD asking me what I found fishy, I noted yesterday that I feel like accurate flavor wouldn't give Georgia a night kill. I still believe that part of the claim is fairly strange (and gives her a very assassin feel), but I'm now at least somewhat confident that Klick is who he says he is, and I'm not sure why he'd lie about his role if he is who he says he is.

Mod, I noticed an inconsistency in the role reveals for Bianca and Parker/Susan that I would like rectified if possible

.

GreyICE - Bianca St. Claire, Investigation Immune Roleblocker for the Unseelie Cabal was lynched Day 1.

This one clearly shows what alignment and what team Bianca is on. We know there is an Unseelie Cabal.

StefanB - Parker, Action Attractor had his heart explode Night 1.

Zdenek - Susan Rodriguez, Tracking Cop was repeatedly shot Night 1.

These 2 do not have that. Can we clarify which teams these flipped players are on?

[ICEninja]

Oh and as regard to actually voting on things other than role based information, Thor seems to be attempting to rapidly switch tactics to see if any relieves pressure on him. This is, in my experience, most commonly observed in desperate scum that know they're in a bind.

[Shamrock]

Well... are they the same color as your role?

[Konowa]

ICE, they are town.

[Konowa]

Ugh.

[Shamrock]

Also, something weird is that Bianca flipped as a part of the Unseelie Cabal. Since when is Bianca buddies with the Winter Court? Am I misremembering the first books?