Micro 65: No Town Lynched (Game Over)

[RedCoyote]

Yeah, I realize that's L-1. I also realize that Nacho-shos aren't scum together. Let's do this, F16. Go with what you know is right here.

[shos]

lol me and you in ANOTHER game?! XD
erm what. this day is open for such little while? O_o

well I checked and you're correct lol >< it's just the activity overview >_>
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anyway, why are you voting me? how is that an easy choice? you literally never voted me or said anything against me this game so far, what changed your mind all of a sudden?

[shos]

crap and it's L-1. F16 and gregory - do not hammer.

[shos]

too few votecounts in this game to analyze :\
but hey, Nacho and Gregory are on both mislynches, and I am on neither.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, well at least we can rule out me being scum if Shos is town.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 3.01

shos (2) - Nachomamma8, RedCoyote

Not Voting (3) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Gregory, shos

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, November 25, 2012, at 5:30 PM EST (UTC-5).[/area]

Mod Notes

prods on gregory and RC?

Their prod clocks have not yet expired.

[RedCoyote]

The main reason I'm voting shos, F16, is that I am pretty darn confident that you and Nacho are town (which only leaves me one option). Apparently I was wrong about Thor. Poor, poor, Thor. I hope he'll forgive me.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

How did you become confident that Nacho is town?

[RedCoyote]

See towards the end of this post.

I agree with him on his read on me now. I think he explained himself well. I also very strongly agree with his points against shos. I fundamentally do not think shos and Nacho can be partners in any case. Lastly, I said at the very beginning of this game given the mykonian wagon that I thought at least one of shos and Thor was scum (possibly both, I thought, but obviously that can't be the case now... I still think one of them has to be scum though).

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@ RC, so who is Shos's buddy?

[RedCoyote]

It has to be Greg.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

There are 10 ways this could go:

I didn't hammer Shos so we strike out the first 3.

1) F-16/RC

2) F-16/Greg

3) F-16/Nacho

4) F-16/Shos

From my POV, there are 6 ways this could go:

5) Shos/Nacho
6) Shos/Greg
7) Shos/ RC
8) Nacho/Greg
9) Nacho/RC
10) Greg/RC

I'll elaborate on all 6 possibilities and try to figure out a pattern from there. In the meantime, it will be helpful if Greg logs on and doesn't hammer. That eliminates a potential scumteam of Greg/Nacho and Greg/RC as well. We can really narrow it down from there.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Shos, who do you think is the scumteam and why?

[shos]

I don't understand how you suddenly took nacho as town.

in the post you quoted, you supported the 'solid point' by nacho against me which is being eager to see a flip, and not mad. you ignored the posts where I expressed my anger and distaste of such a quickhammer, and took only the post that was *literally* between the mod posting the final votecount and the death scene. when you're online, and you see the mod is online, during twilight, are you not eager to see a flip? what would you want me to say "oh come on mod, just show us the oh so sad results of the stupid quicklynch please"? think about it as a human being, it was like 60 posts(?) after the lynch had occurred; why would I still be infuriated??

Then you say that my behavior combined with me defending thor(who now we know is CONFIRMED TOWN) makes me scummier.

then there's this:

It reassures me that both RedCoyote and Gregory questioned my townreads on them when I gave them. RedCoyote *rarely* finds me town when we're playing together, and Gregory should know my townplay enough to know that I wasn't trying to fake a townread on him as scum to draw him out, so it's just ridiculously reassuring that neither of them accepted my townread on him.

Call me a sucker, but I'll buy it.

which is...what? that does not make such an amazingly strong townread.

[shos]

The scumteam imo are RC and Nacho. Nacho's play all game long looked scummy to me, and the fact that yesterday he created a massive(idiotic, but massive) case on me AND THEN VOTED THOR just adds the cream to the top. I'll add that both RC and Nacho seemed to vote thor out of 'general scumminess', as I said, and this is RC's response:

I'm wishing to lynch either RC or F16 at the moment. there are two votes on thor, can you guys make a nice and well-built case on him? because it seems that you're just, you know, 'generally' finding him scum. that's a scum tactic in my book.

Are you serious? What in the hell does generally finding him scum mean? That he's too scummy to be scum? Get out of here with that. That's the best defense of Thor you can muster? I also love how you said this after you lobbed Thor a softball "kinda made me field weird about thor" comment.

which is exactly the point. he couldn't give me any case on thor; he just blabbered discreditting me, misrepping, etc; deflected completely.

Nacho is the one who on D1 brought the wagon back to L-1 just for the sake of it being in L-1, allowing you to quickhammer - which is EXACTLY what I was trying to avoid when I unvoted from L-1. so I'd say it's Nacho/you, but that's not a safe bet since well that was just the start of the game. either way, Nacho is in both of my scumteam possibilities. I'm pretty sure that Nacho is scum without even going through his ISO and rereading.

[shos]

the way I see it, it's probably going to be nacho lynched, gregory killed at night, and a 3p lylo in which I vote RC and he votes me and you decide.

RC and me are going 1v1 in like 3 games in parallel xD

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

But if it is Nacho/RC, why would they give themselves away and both vote the same player instead of keeping their options open and voting two different players or maybe have person vote and the other lie waiting to hammer whenever a townie votes them?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, why is Greg a likelier night-kill than me?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Nacho should be made to answer my last question to him, fyi.

You do realize he did accuse me of that though, yeah?
How do you feel about Red's case on me?

I want to hear a response to this as well.

[shos]

in lylo all of them are practically the same. in order for a quickhammer to happen they need one wrong vote, no matter where and when. besides, nacho has dug himself too deep earlier so that the only one he can vote is me now, and same goes with RC, calling the rest of the players town.

about greg, nobody is going to really vote him in lylo, imo. he is just not likely to be voted at all, unlike you, who has quickhammered and actually participated. well actually to me you are now conftown so it's not viable at all so you're probably the better NK indeed

[shos]

well let's hope that greg is competent hehe. from this game there's really nothing to be learnt about him.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So, why aren't you voting Nacho?

[shos]

...I am, am I not.?

[shos]

lol it appears I'm not
VOTE: Nachomamma

I started without voting because it was lylo and forgot...

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, I realize that's L-1. I also realize that Nacho-shos aren't scum together. Let's do this, F16.

Go with what you know is right her

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You do know that Nacho could be bussing Shos and the other way around to hopefully make it seem like one of them is confirmed at 3P LYLO and give them a good chance of winning right?

I mean there are two ways to play a 5P LYLO. One way is to wait for a townie to slip and quickhammer. However, if one scum is lynched with this plan, the other scum will probably get lynched as well. The other strategy is to go for each other. That way, they make sure they look like town in 3P LYLO and maximize their chances at winning.

The bolded part makes no sense either. How would I know what's "right?" I have no idea which pair is scum and I find your flip-flop on Nacho was left largely unexplained and based on very minor reasoning. In fact, Thor's townflip made me suspect Nacho more as opposed to less. That and the fact that Thor wanted Nacho dead at the time of his lynch.