Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Fe]

I may of forgotten that there were town PRs....
That was where I got my scum slip from.

[pirate mollie]

walk me through as to why you thought that there were 0 town specials when they were stated in the ops.

(acknowledging my own stupid paranoia about nobody special's announcement of who he wanted to see dead on d1 as a day vig claim)

[Nobody Special]

Wake me when something important happens.

[Malakittens]

Well, I'm going to ask politely for Mollie and Fe to stop this discussion because in the long run it's going to hurt the town.

[pirate mollie]

Wake me when something important happens.

well then do something interesting

[Nobody Special]

I already did; no one was impressed.

[Kmd4390]

Mollie, the problem is newbtown is very easy to spot and fizz's posts didn't give me the vibe of "hey is this guy new or something?". Even if you treat him as a newb, I don't see newbtown. And I don't see his posts as simply "motivation to survive" as you put it.

Majiffy, my fizz vote is equally "opportunistic" as your aether vote. We both saw something scummy and pounced. If you are going to push opportunism, you are going to have to show how it is different than your own vote.

[Declan_giggs]

Does that make ucteiton opportunistic squared for being on both of them so far ?

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 1.4

Kmd4390 (1) Borkjerfkin
Aether (3) Majiffy, Breakfast, Fe
Majiffy (1) pirate mollie
Breakfast (1) Declan_giggs
Fizz (6) Kmd4390, the director, Nobody Special, penguin_alien, Aether, uctriton00 (L-2)


Not Voting

Malakittens, Fizz


With 14 it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-12-01 16:09:23)

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, the problem is newbtown is very easy to spot and fizz's posts didn't give me the vibe of "hey is this guy new or something?". Even if you treat him as a newb, I don't see newbtown. And I don't see his posts as simply "motivation to survive" as you put it.

Majiffy, my fizz vote is equally "opportunistic" as your aether vote. We both saw something scummy and pounced. If you are going to push opportunism, you are going to have to show how it is different than your own vote.

I didn't say he came across as newb town I said he came across as newb null. "motivation to survive" explains the carefulness of his posts as in he does not want to make a stupid mistake and get lynched. he hasn't spacked out yet under pressure which works in his favour.

and not to defend majiffy cos I think he looks like pondscum at the mo but it is the timing and the placement of your vote that makes it look opportunistic while his just looks scummy but that is a relative tell I think.

[Kmd4390]

How does timing matter? We both voted in our first post after day start. Only difference is that he said he was going to ahead of time.

Also:

Now think about this for a second. Why would you call me scummy for not directly answering the question. If i say no, i'm not, you get to square one. From what i'm thinking,

scum would definitely just say no. Why risk exposing yourself as scum (if you're scum),

by writing more stuff, when you can just say no and leave it at that. That was my thought process.

Town doesn't have to worry about what to do if they are scum.

[pirate mollie]

How does timing matter? We both voted in our first post after day start. Only difference is that he said he was going to ahead of time.

Also:

Now think about this for a second. Why would you call me scummy for not directly answering the question. If i say no, i'm not, you get to square one. From what i'm thinking,

scum would definitely just say no. Why risk exposing yourself as scum (if you're scum),

by writing more stuff, when you can just say no and leave it at that. That was my thought process.

Town doesn't have to worry about what to do if they are scum

.

when I say timing I mean the activity that was going on in the thread at the time, not the arc of the day round although usually that is what is meant by timing so fair point. the 2 are finely nuanced I guess. I am not sure that timing is a strong indication in this format, I am used to 24 hour day rounds where timing is crucial but it is something I look at but would have to take in the body of work. timing is analogous to music I suppose as in scum will feel/sound/read as out of step with the natural rhythm of things.

nobody special's vote stuck out more so than yours in all of that exchange but I see where majiffy is coming from if he could be arsed enough to make a case out of it.

wrt the italicised: it has been my experience that newbs do not always get this so I tend to scrutinise those who paint this as scummy.

what do you think of majiffy and fe? and malacat (thinking I got her username wrong but do you know who I mean?)

she asked to be asked questions and so I did but she hit de club and has not answered yet.

[Malakittens]

Ask me questions! I'm bored and need something to do.

okay what do you think of majiffy. and nobody's special.

I'm not necessarily really seeing what Maj is tying to make on Aet. So, I can't really tell if its scum trying to build a semi easy case against a townie.
Kinda null-leaning scumish.

As for NS, I'm totally null on him.

[Kmd4390]

I see where majiffy is going with it, but I don't think I'm going to end up agreeing with it when it's all said and done.

[Majiffy]

So what is the "real issue"?

The "real issue" is the same thing you've been avoiding in every damn post since I've voted you; there was no town motivation for you to have looked at both the VT and Scum Goon role PMs to have caught any grammar issues. There is, however, scum motivation for having looked at both of those. The grammar isn't the issue, it's the sequence of events leading up to it.

VOTE: Aether
Still dodging the question. Why are you reading the role PMs in the first place?

Oh good, someone with eyeballs.

If you are going to push opportunism, you are going to have to show how it is different than your own vote.

You're voting Fizz for things that you've

seen scum do

(regardless of the fact that town does it as well)
I'm voting Aether for a

lack of town motivation

in what he's done.

Yours is a shallow attempt at scumhunting. Mine delves into the actual issue at hand.

Bork

- All in good time. Join me on the Aether wagon, it's got comfy seats.

[Aether]

Let me repeat myself: I am just stating the grammatical errors because I hate grammatical errors in stuff like briefings and stuff.

I just seen so much of them that I cannot take it any more.

Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.

The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".

The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.


Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.

I mean obvious ones in desc. and stuff. In posts they are okay. In stuff that people are going to read carefully (like the opening desc of this mafia game, briefings and such) it is not. You can slang and make grammatical errors in your posts all you want, but use proper english if you actually want people to...you know what.

Let's just get on with the game and not quibble about grammatical errors anymore. It is probably memorized by everyone already.

[Aether]

I mean don't vote for random stuff like player lists and positions of stars at all.

Sigh, wasn't like that but w/e.

What? Either cast your random vote or don't cast it at all.

VOTE: Aether
Still dodging the question. Why are you reading the role PMs in the first place?

For fun because I have nothing better to do.

Highlight of the first 5 pages

Oh help me please. ;_;

Aether, link any two recent scum games and two of your more recent town games. No ongoing.

Apparently he has none.
He got modkilled as a townie. >.>

Gah, I hate being a townie. Not only do I have to wait for four days just for night to be over (Like, WTF?), but I also have to read 30+ long pages which probably could be summarized in one wall.

Really? Is it that just me to whom that sounds so much like a scum-slip...Even if not, he could be a very volatile townie especially in the endgame. I mean short attention span... (also note Aether/director scum team)
UNVOTE: Breakfast
VOTE: Aether LET THE LIGHT SHINE THROUGH YOU!!!

I have the foreboding feeling that everyone has gone crazy, or that everyone who is voting me is scum. When I say that I have to wait four days just for night to be over, I meant four real-time days doing absolutely nothing. If you feel like putting me at L-1, I may self-hammer, which may expose you as scum. So think twice before you do it.

Also, I

am

a very volatile townie. In fact, I am a very volatile person.

So what is the "real issue"?

The "real issue" is the same thing you've been avoiding in every damn post since I've voted you; there was no town motivation for you to have looked at both the VT and Scum Goon role PMs to have caught any grammar issues. There is, however, scum motivation for having looked at both of those. The grammar isn't the issue, it's the sequence of events leading up to it.

VOTE: Aether
Still dodging the question. Why are you reading the role PMs in the first place?

Oh good, someone with eyeballs.

If you are going to push opportunism, you are going to have to show how it is different than your own vote.

You're voting Fizz for things that you've

seen scum do

(regardless of the fact that town does it as well)
I'm voting Aether for a

lack of town motivation

in what he's done.

Yours is a shallow attempt at scumhunting. Mine delves into the actual issue at hand.

Bork

- All in good time. Join me on the Aether wagon, it's got comfy seats.

Wait. Town does it? When? Really, the wiki says that OMGUSing is plain scummy.

Also, ask me all your questions now. I have a short attention span.

Go on.

[Aether]

Wow. Six pages anniversary. Town, especially me, will find it very hard to win because of the unbelievably long great wall of China of posts which could be summarized in

one

page. Could you please get right to the point, instead of going in a very wavy track before you reach there? It makes it very hard to scumhunt.

If you really want my reads, which I am hesitant to post as it might be inaccurate given the very little events which passed, here they are.

Majiffy: 40% town. Can you please get to the point, like

please

?
pirate mollie: 75% town. So far the greatest contributor.
uctriton00: 45% town. What? You are in the game? Why aren't you posting? I can't really determine whether you are town or scum, because that is how you play as town, even though it is scummy.
borkjerkin: 70% town. Never play with borkjerkin before, but he seems townie because his posts have content, even though they are quite rare.
Fizz: 41% town. Planning to OMGUS is not town and never will be.
Malakittens: 43% town. Stop your active lurking this instant!

It is hard to play when people don't do stuff, you know.

[Malakittens]

I'm active lurking??..

[penguin_alien]

I'm reluctant to move my vote off Fizz when he still hasn't actually answered the question of whether he's scum. Although it seems more like he's ignoring the question altogether after giving an unsatisfactory response the first time. Scum afraid to draw attention back to it, or town uncertain about how to dig out?

Nobody Special, what was the interesting thing you did that you think didn't impress anyone? Reaction test on Fizz? Or fake day-vig?

[Majiffy]

Majiffy: 40% town. Can you please get to the point, like

please

?

Once.
Twice.
Three times a lady!

...And a forth.
Fifth.
And SIXTH fucking time.

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Seriously, if you aren't Aether, you post after this, and you aren't voting Aether, you're fucking scumclaiming.

[Majiffy]

Oh yeah there's this too.

I have the foreboding feeling that everyone has gone crazy, or that everyone who is voting me is scum. When I say that I have to wait four days just for night to be over, I meant four real-time days doing absolutely nothing. If you feel like putting me at L-1, I may self-hammer, which may expose you as scum. So think twice before you do it.

Also, I

am

a very volatile townie. In fact, I am a very volatile person.

If anyone was waiting for a better reason to lynch the shit out of something, here you go.

Wait. Town does it? When? Really, the wiki says that OMGUSing is plain scummy.

Also, ask me all your questions now. I have a short attention span.

Go on.

DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST DODGE THE QUESTION AGAIN?

God damn if only dayvigs actually existed.

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ what is with the dramatics

[Majiffy]

I've had it up to my dick with this kid's stupidity.

[pirate mollie]

doesn't mean he is not on your team how about if you are town you try to find scum already