The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 2.3 - As of post 950

Thor665 (5) - Klick, ICENinja, Konowa, Sixty, greenknight
Klick (4) - Shmugen, Thor665, fatlikepig, curiouskarmadog

Not Voting (6) - kortul, sword_of_omens, pidgey, Shamrock, Albert B. Rampage, jasonT1981

The Current deadline is Sunday, November 25 at 6:00pm EST. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-25 18:00:00).

With 15 active votes - 8 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

Mod Notes -
The first prod check will be tomorrow morning.

[greenknight]

Meanwhile would like to ask for opinions on what StefanB role does, will explain why tomorrow.

My best guess is that it actively targets someone and forces them to target Stefan. Unfortunately digging through his ISO I can't find any breadcrumbs as to whom he might have targetted on n1.

[jasonT1981]

WERE THOSE WHO DIED TOWN OR SCUM I HAVE NO IDEA.

WHAT IS PURPLE

.

THIS GUY HAS NO TOWN ROLE PM

IF he was town, he would have a purple role PM..

not knowing town is purple = non town

vote:Albert

[Konowa]

How serious are you right now, jason?

Thoughts on Klick/Thor?

[sword_of_omens]

i'm going to hold off voting for now until Klick comes back with results..

@Klick, again, i am requesting you cop Greenknight.

[pidgey]

Lol, i actually have to agree with jason. This looks like a slippity slip.

Vote: albert

We can hold thor/klick war til tomorrow.

Plus if klick is somehow for real he can get more cop results.

[Konowa]

Thanks for admitting your scum, pidgey.

[ICEninja]

jason is wasting his vote because it isn't going on Thor/Klick (something jason likes to do, which makes me not like jason) but I can't say I hate the ABR vote. I think ABR actually has a good chance of being scum.

I'm REALLY liking the Thor wagon so far, as multiple town reads are on it.

I honestly don't see a lot of meaningful discussion happening in the mean time, however. I would say now might be a good time for Klick to go ahead and investigate again.

My suspicion of CKD is pretty much based on the fact that he and Grey aren't scum buddies. I really do NOT see CKD busing that powerful of an ally, unless all the scum are ridiculously strong (which is a moderately scary thought), especially when there was Thor to go after. However, CKD looks pretty suspicious. I'll put together a case against him when it is relevant to do so, but since I'm not really interested in seeing anyone other than Thor hang today (unless we have new information) now isn't the time.

My other 2 scum reads are jason and ABR.

Klick, since I doubt too much more helpful discussion will happen today without new information, now might not be a bad time to throw down another investigation. You know my preference of where it goes, but I'll leave it up to you.

[ICEninja]

Thanks for admitting your scum, pidgey.

Go ahead and toss pidgey on to the probscum pile.

Sorry for the awkwardness of my last post, I accidentally didn't preview it where I would have noticed that I repeated stuff.

[greenknight]

Although I'm OK with being cop investigated, I find it weird that Sword wants to investigate me when he hasn't even commented on my alignment all game.

[pidgey]

L-O-L

Thats a slip eaasily. Why the fuck are you not seeing it? Be rational.

[pidgey]

Iceninja. Lets see:

you think albert and jason are your scum reads.
Jason finds a slip on albert.
I agree with the slip.
Im suddenly scum.

The thought process for this to have happened comes from either a chicken brain or a dumb person and you are probably not a chicken.

[Sixty]

@Klick , as a sign of good faith, can you please investigate Greenknight today, seeing as you say you have another vesty

and yes, there is reason..

First and most important: we are shunning you forever for the use of "vesty" for "investigation".

It had better be a really good reason, as this...

reviewing Greyice.

Greyice's attempt to point vaguely at Jason's wagon as scummy is evidence for Jason town (or at least not scum with Grey.) That's Greyice trying to look good in case of a flip without actually doing anything to stop the wagon. He only links some meta evidence after the wagon lost momentum anyway.

Contrast his statements re. Kimor later which are an actual defence. I don't read an alignment tell on Kimor/thor slot off this, though. Because grey is probably feeling like he has to call someone town at this time to compensate for all the shouting scum at people.

I'm noting that the attacks by Greyice and CKD on each other are of mutual low quality, and thus a potential scum vs scum interaction.

Has a huge fight with Iceninja too but ninja responses seem town as discussed yesterday, and bunch of small arguments with pidgey, ABR, sixty etc that don't tell me much.

...is very lovely Town analysis.

The ABR "slip" is ridiculous. As scum, this puppyhalf loves to push people on stuff like that which is meaningless. Not remembering a color he saw probably twice (his role PM and the sample PM) doesn't mean anything.

[Thor665]

@ICEninja - you want Thor dead and you also sheep Thor's other scum calls (besides the CKD one, which is all you I'll admit). [insert snark here]. But, seriously, Jason, ABR, and Pidgey? Hurm... (though, with the Jason and Pidgey side adventure onto Albert I'm thinking both you and I are wrong about some aspect of that trio)

Why do you like the wagon on me other than town reads being on it - because that's actually not a real endorsement of the wagon unless you can put into words why it's a good wagon. I'm trying to walk you though this a bit but ::shrug:: Let me put it this way - there's at least one scum on me by this point, I think that is painfully obvious. I'll also add that I agree with you that a lot of the people voting me look like town. Now, maybe I'm just derp wrong about all their alignments, that happens, but who is the odd one out exactly?...exactly.

I'm actually amazed we can't get either me or Klick to L-1 with hammer intent.

@Konowa - who do you think is the scum on my wagon right now?

[Thor665]

The ABR "slip" is ridiculous. As scum, this puppyhalf loves to push people on stuff like that which is meaningless. Not remembering a color he saw probably twice (his role PM and the sample PM) doesn't mean anything.

Not even when he acts confused by it? Which means, theoretically, he should have been asking himself 'so what does that color mean?'

That said, have you weighed in on his slip yesterday, which is the much more telling slip and much less wine stained?

[Sixty]

Even better - don't you think that if ABR was scum, he'd go "well this is not my color so it has to be Town's"? That makes a lot more sense than "omg he's scum who (is pretending he) doesn't know what the Town color is!"

Even if you buy into the multiball theory, ABR-scum would know that the other faction did not shoot itself, therefore purple = Town.

In short: it is completely nonsensical to push this as a slip. Please proceed with the Thor wagon -----> that way.


We are really interested in how Thor thinks jason is possibly scum with his role claim. ...wait a moment, Thor is scum. Never mind, we're not interested in Thor's reasoning after all.


Cut by Thor: what slip of ABR's? We have said you have boring questions. We do not see ABR as scum. Go do something else.

[greenknight]

actually I read ABR's allcaps post as satire of Iceninja's failure to understand that the night kills were town. It's still a bad post.

[pidgey]

There are two scum teams, sixty. Maybe he is blue team and doesnt know if purple is town or other scum.

Ill probably have to reread albert it might have been an honest mistake. What was hisnother slip thor?

[Sixty]

Wait.

Seriously.

You're trying to push ABR as scum for having a Townread on Thor yesterday and voting

GreyICE

when it was crucial? You're saying that his disbelief of Klick's claim when said claim was pushing a Grey counterwagon is

scummy

?

Oh okay. We thought there might be something interesting here, but it's just scum trying to push a blatant mislynch. Please continue, we need more cheesy popcorn.


Cut by pidgey: Any Bluescum or hypothetical second scumteam would know that purple is Town because they know the other team did not shoot itself, therefore the not-their-kill-target has to be Town. There, theory deconstructed all nice and easy for you.

[kortul]

Caught up with the game and updated my reads. Right now i am leaning town on (S->W) Sixty, ICEninja, greenknight, Shmugen, Shamrock, Konowa. Don't understand Klick - his claim is suicidal for the scum, since he cannot seriously hope to be alive until the end of the game, or mislynch more than one town. Yet if he is town, the logic of exposing himself on day 1 with his claimed abilities, and then not voting his own check is bizzare. As far as i remember from signup thread he can't be jester. Would like to see his next check and play today. Have mixed feelings over sword_of_omens, ABR, fatlikepig. Don't like the play of pidgey, jasonT1981 and CKD, and leaning scum on Thor. Kimor was scummy, and there are some inconsistencies in Thor play here and there. Like he says "Regardless of my flip I actually think Klick is town.", and if Thor is town, would there be any doubts as to whether his town read on Klick was true? Why articulate that?

StefanB role Action Attractor sounds interesting. Since we have two kills, it isn't some passive attraction, he had to target someone. I think that he either pulled all actions performed by his target to himself, or all actions performed on target to himself. I decided to check whether Stefan crumbed anything before the night. He suspected Thor, and his last words "So we will have to live with active Thor tonight" cam be such a crumb. And if Thor was the target of his ability, then the first interpretation is more likely and the chances that Thor is scum are higher.

VOTE: Thor665

As an added bonus lynching scummy Thor will shed some light on Klick claim.

@Jason, pidgey - why didn't you question ICEninja for practically the same question to mod?

[pidgey]

I didnt saw inceninja's question to mod. I only really saw jason's case and though "oh caught scum".

Although sixty just destroyed the chance of that being a slip lol. Im bad.

Unvote

I want klick to cop someone ASAP.

[Thor665]

Cut by Thor: what slip of ABR's? We have said you have boring questions. We do not see ABR as scum. Go do something else.

1. Thor, what is this slip?
2. We have said Thor is boring.
3. Thor, do something else.

Whut?

Either you're ignoring me and I'm useless, or ou think I'm town not helping the forward motion, but to combine both is rather derpy. Also, if you missed my calls with Albert yesterday I pointed out how he called me town - and not as a read but as a 'Thor is town' sort of comment (also apparently coming off of having suspected the slot supposedly). So...

You also ding me for the Jason call but not ICEninja - why is that?

@Kortul - you are taking that comment way out of context. People were saying at that point that if I flipped town it made Klick scummy. I was clarifying that I didn't see it that way - and also I'd never stated prior to that that I thought he was a town read, so it needed statement. So...misrep or derp? Let me know.

[Sixty]

Cut by Thor: what slip of ABR's? We have said you have boring questions. We do not see ABR as scum. Go do something else.

1. Thor, what is this slip?
2. We have said Thor is boring.
3. Thor, do something else.

Whut?

Either you're ignoring me and I'm useless, or ou think I'm town not helping the forward motion, but to combine both is rather derpy. Also, if you missed my calls with Albert yesterday I pointed out how he called me town - and not as a read but as a 'Thor is town' sort of comment (also apparently coming off of having suspected the slot supposedly). So...

You also ding me for the Jason call but not ICEninja - why is that?

Oh, you didn't get the memo? We think you are

scum

. We also think ICEninja, jason and ABR are Town, therefore why should we 'ding' ICEninja where he's already voting on the right place?

And this puppyhalf would even go as far as to say that trying to sell "X is Town" as a scumtell is beneath you. a) Reads change, b) that is not a scumtell, and c) he actually said "I'm pretty sure Thor is town here", which doesn't match any kind of 'slip'.

Do try to offer a challenge instead of this cheesy imitation of scumhunting.

No? Just rope? Okay, we can do that too. Let's go for a walk on the main town square and play with those gallows. Rarf!

[sword_of_omens]

First and most important: we are shunning you forever for the use of "vesty" for "investigation".

It had better be a really good reason, as this...

that's ok...i remember half of the puppy shunning me back during my short stint on Chrono Trigger island, so i can take it...
but yes, it is with good reason..i will explain once Klick replies.

[Thor665]

Oh, you didn't get the memo? We think you are

scum

. We also think ICEninja, jason and ABR are Town, therefore why should we 'ding' ICEninja where he's already voting on the right place?

If I do something and ICEninja does something, and you call it a scumtell only when I do it - all you're doing is proving it's not a scumtell.

And this puppyhalf would even go as far as to say that trying to sell "X is Town" as a scumtell is beneath you. a) Reads change, b) that is not a scumtell, and c) he actually said "I'm pretty sure Thor is town here", which doesn't match any kind of 'slip'.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4461399
Read m0ar. Don't just skim ISOs and pretend you are. There was kind of a whole discussion about it yesterday too - with multiple people involved, and you don't even recall it existing in the first place, and then probably just Ctrl+Fed me or ABR and found one post (immediately *below* the one I called him out on) and act like that must be all of the case.