The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Sixty]

Imagine that. Still boring.

[ICEninja]

Pidgey, just because I agree it's SLIGHTLY suspicious (I didn't happen to remember what color my role PM was in either, and I thought Parker would be scum so I didn't connect the dots on color saying anything about alignment either, so it is quite minor indeed) my reasons for suspecting ABR are pretty much unrelated to that.

Voting someone based on what you did when we have something so much better to go off of today, however, is no bueno. ESPECIALLY since yesterday you had a scum read on Thor independent of the cop guilty on him.

(though, with the Jason and Pidgey side adventure onto Albert I'm thinking both you and I are wrong about some aspect of that trio)

I'd put money that exactly one of the 3 is scum. I'm not sheeping you, either, these are my own reads. I've disliked jason for quite some time now, ABR has been gradually increasing on my scum list the longer he continues to be useless, and pidgey pretty much just for what he's done so far day 2.

because that's actually not a real endorsement of the wagon unless you can put into words why it's a good wagon.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a person who I believe is more or less telling the truth has a cop guilty on you? Not that it's a terribly important detail or anything >_>.

Looking at Thor's behavior yesterday (defending the person who had a guilty on him) and shift to today (Klick is obviously scum and has to die) along with a few other smaller inconsistencies suggests that a night action Thor was hoping to happen, didn't. That or a scum buddy proposed a plan of action. I'm honestly not sure yet. I think Grey's buddy tried to kill Klick last night to insure Thor's death today (if Klick flipped cop, obviously Thor is going to get rope) but StefanB pulled the shot to himself. Thor/Thor's buddy killing Zdenek makes plenty of sense, but we have no idea what night actions scum could have.

As fishy as Klick's role claim is, I'm inclined to believe he is who he says he is, and therefore am inclined to believe that Thor is indeed guilty.

[Thor665]

I'd put money that exactly one of the 3 is scum. I'm not sheeping you, either, these are my own reads.

Shouldn't it concern you that you and 'scum' have come to near identical reads through different methods?

Looking at Thor's behavior yesterday (defending the person who had a guilty on him) and shift to today (Klick is obviously scum and has to die) along with a few other smaller inconsistencies suggests that a night action Thor was hoping to happen, didn't. That or a scum buddy proposed a plan of action. I'm honestly not sure yet. I think Grey's buddy tried to kill Klick last night to insure Thor's death today (if Klick flipped cop, obviously Thor is going to get rope) but StefanB pulled the shot to himself. Thor/Thor's buddy killing Zdenek makes plenty of sense, but we have no idea what night actions scum could have.

Couple of things;

1. Yeah, night actions may have something to do with it.
2. I'm insulted you think I'd be going with a scumbuddy's plan - feel free to tell me which player here you think I'd seek out for advice or alter my play for because they told me to?
3. Greyscum might have targeted Klick for death to get Thor dead (though this is actually a decent argument for Thor town, natch) but I don't think that's what went down.
4. I'm insulted you think I'd waste a kill on Zedenek.
5. You and I both know your role info has to be pretty gakky right now. So don't hide behind it.

[Thor665]

Imagine that. Still boring.

[curiouskarmadog]

those of you NOT voting Klick. explain to me how anything he is doing looks the least bit town?

1.)he comes out of no where and derails a wagon on Grey (immune scum) with a "guilty" on thor when Grey was -1.

2.)when votes start to fall off of grey, he then votes grey meanwhile grey has not said anything to make him change his mind?! if klick really wanted to hang grey or thought he was scum, why not hammer him?

3.) why would someone who had his "abilities" come out? no fucking reason to. he clearly already "thought" grey was scum, why not hammer, kill thor, and start the next day a new. nobody none the wiser.

4.) claimed a kill that didnt happen. this is the weaker of the points BUT if you believe his claim, he could have killed his "guilty" probably without any issue if he hadnt come out. now that "claimed" he has a out saying scum must have done blah blah blah.

5.) he refuses to answer ANYONE's questions. you know why? because he doesnt have answers.

6.) he thought I was scum early in the game...why didnt he use this ability on me? why did he chose thor "because thor is thor" THAT IS BULLSHIT

i think he tried to save his immune scum buddy, realized the shit wasnt going to happen, got on the grey wagon to look better.

god, look at HOW it went down. (posting this again because you are not reading this.

528, grey at -1
538, klick "claims"
635, votes Grey, claims he has a killing ability (did anyone ask him to claim after he said he refused to full claim? if it is there, I am missing it. they asked for fluff, but I dont see anyone asking him to claim. someone look at that again)

this has all the set up of scum. I thought at first it was a gambit.....but just looking at Day 1. there is absolutely NO TOWN motives behind this...at all.


I want to see him use his "ability" on someone else. maybe he plans to lurk out hoping thor gets lynched before he has to act again...giving him yet another out.

[curiouskarmadog]

also since posting here in on Sun, he has posting 7 other times in other threads.

Sun 7:21p here

Sun 10:58p
Sun 11:33p
Sun 11:35p
Mon 7:32a
Mon 7:44a
Mon 9:37a
Mon 10:38p (fucking to /in a new game)

he has visited the site at least 5 times after posting here.

if he was town, wouldnt he visit the game to make sure we were doing the right thing? or maybe do another "investigation" to help us?

lksahginklhgndveigulUIRwJXAhYACiH90suhgpwthetuwrh789g53i!

[ICEninja]

Shouldn't it concern you that you and 'scum' have come to near identical reads through different methods?

Not at all. Scum genuinely scum hunt when there are multiple teams, especially since there is possibly a 3rd party somewhere, and scum give their partners scum reads as well sometimes. You're a good player, you found Greyscum. I wouldn't be surprised if you've got another one pegged.

2. I'm insulted you think I'd be going with a scumbuddy's plan - feel free to tell me which player here you think I'd seek out for advice or alter my play for because they told me to?

Good players are always open to suggestions.

5. You and I both know your role info has to be pretty gakky right now. So don't hide behind it.

It's not the only thing I'm going on. Yeah it's on the gakky side, but it's something. If you do indeed flip town then I'll know to lynch Klick and ignore my role information. This in itself is hugely valuable, as we'll have lynched scum and I'll know how valuable my role is(n't).

And, CKD, you're right. Klick's actions are sketchy as hell. Believe me it's crossed my mind that my role's information is incorrect, but it would be foolish to completely ignore it.

[Thor665]

I look forward to being reminded why CKD looks scummy.
Because that looks pretty awesome to me.

@ICEninja

1. I can see the vibe there.
2. What if I came out with a bit of self-meta that said I'd never done that - ever? What would be you reply?
3. The point is, if your result is gakky that shouldn't be part of your case. Look at the two of us as players regardless of your role info (feel free to include his) now what do you see? Still a 'Thor needs to go first' situation?

[curiouskarmadog]

And, CKD, you're right. Klick's actions are sketchy as hell. Believe me it's crossed my mind that my role's information is incorrect, but it would be foolish to completely ignore it.

then he needs to come in here, and do another investigation and answer questions. he tried to derail and immune scum bag yesterday and I still want ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. if it was just the claim by itself I would have voted thor yesterday (maybe not, I was pretty set on grey). but he then voted grey, he avoided questions, then he came up with the shot ability too, and now today is just lurking.

why would he /in in another game if he didnt have time to post here, unless he felt like his game/gig is almost up here or he wanted to get replaced. I doubt he (as town) wants to get replaced with such a sweet "role".

going with my gut, he is scum.

if Im wrong I am sure I will die soon enough. but so far my feelings, thoughts, cases have been in the minority (gee I wonder why that is?) but so far my gut has been right.

also I am surprised in the lack of scum hunting today. the only analysis of the grey wagon/counter wagons have come from me...and seeing how more than one person has spouted that I look scummy for some reason or the other, I wonder why no one has fact checked me.....orrrrr done one of their own.

[ICEninja]

2. What if I came out with a bit of self-meta that said I'd never done that - ever? What would be you reply?

Then I would assume you've got a night action that changed your mind about things.

3. The point is, if your result is gakky that shouldn't be part of your case. Look at the two of us as players regardless of your role info (feel free to include his) now what do you see? Still a 'Thor needs to go first' situation?

Had I forgotten to turn in a night action, or had I been blocked, or whatever, I probably would be voting for Klick at the moment, largely for what I said about Dalton last night and what CKD has been saying today. However, I simply cannot in good conscious ignore the information I have, even if I can't guarantee its reliability.

[kortul]

CKD, we already know that Klick doesn't make sense. Your have several valid points, and finally show good reasoning, i like that. The question is, is he derp scum or derp town?

Guess everyone has to decide for himself. ICEninja has his own reasons. I have my own - i am being practical here. Do YOU want to risk lynching super power town because he does something stupid? And if he is derp scum, so far he managed to bring a lot of suspicion to himself and take a part in lynching a scum (partner?) in process. And claim a guilty on another scummy player.

Want to see what will be his next move.

ICEninja, so your information is from a night action, and not from role PM? Ie it is based on some result from mod, not flavor/info from a role PM?

[Shmugen]

Who here is voting Thor due to thinking he's scummy, and who here is voting Thor due to Klick?

[Klick]

I'm sending in an investigation. I'm not reading anything right now; I'm kinda in shock mode about something right now.

[greenknight]

Who here is voting Thor due to thinking he's scummy, and who here is voting Thor due to Klick?

Both of the above. Admittedly I'm pretty frustrated with Klick's inactivity by now. seems no matter his alignment he isn't playing to his win condition atm

[Shmugen]

After a scum lynch D1, I'm less opposed to the concept of lynching Thor to test Klick, but enough things are wrong with Klick's play that lynching Klick seems like the better move.

[Klick]

My result says that greenknight is not town.

[greenknight]

My result says that greenknight is not town.

Well, that result is wrong. Fullclaim please.

Sword: also now you can explain why you wanted him to investigate me.

[Shmugen]

Neat! Either our Daycop Nightvig is 2/2 with investigations and 0/1 for successfully killing anybody, or we can all start unvoting Thor.

[Shmugen]

Unvote

[Klick]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to read greenknight sometime. I'll also look at Thor now that I'm unsure of my sanity.

[ICEninja]

Georgia being insane...erg. I don't like it. Nothing in the books would suggest this at all. But both Thor AND green being scum? This is a bit much.

Unvote

. I need to think about things. I'm strongly considering playing day 2 as if I'm a VT and no one claimed anything.

[sword_of_omens]

ok...here's the thing...

i was visited by a Faiy last night...i'm assuming that is was randomly sent to me, because it had an answer for someone's question which i was part of. So i don't think they had control of who it was sent to...

The question it answered was whether or not sword_of_omens, Greenknight, and klick have the same wincon...
the answer it gave me was "NO".

I have a town read on Greenknight, so i figured Klick would be the scum in this picture (especially after his weird wagon hop to Grey yesterday). Based on that , I really thought Klick might spook and say Greenknight would come up town, to try and prove his worth...
now i'm not sure...
problem is, sane day cop would be hella-powerful, especially with the option to vig...unless scumKlick is dumb enough to try and get a mislynch on green by pretending to be insane? With the way his play went yesterday i'm not discounting anything. I think our best option today would be to lynch Klick. He has a high chance of being scum in the group. If he somehow flips town, then he can't be insane seeing as the Fairy stated that at least one of the group (me, Klick, and/or Green) has a different wincon, so we would net 2 scum (Thor and Green).
alternatively, If Klick flips scum it won't necessarily exonerate me and Green, as we only know that a minimum of 1 out of the 3 has an ulterior motive, but we have 1 less scum to worry about.

Vote: Klick

[Thor665]

[Thor665]

@Sixty - you gonna be answering my questions now, puppy boy.

[Sixty]

...MoI and one-in-three?

Oh boy, the

lovely

memories of that game.

Let's see.

UNVOTE: Thor665
VOTE: Klick (L-3)


Cut by Thor:
You're still boring. We have no obligation to make a pretty case for you to deconstruct, so go bother someone else.