Newbie 1289 - Game Over!

[Leonshade]

I could see buldermar's silence-treatment against Xalxe as a clever form of distancing, too. Hmm.

[buldermar]

This is rather obvious, but I'm going to clarify for the sake of avoiding misunderstandings. Since both of Cheery Dog and Leonshade has commented after Xalxe was put on L1, he (Xalxe) is now a confirmed scum.

[Xalxe]

This is rather obvious, but I'm going to clarify for the sake of avoiding misunderstandings. Since both of Cheery Dog and Leonshade has commented after Xalxe was put on L1, he (Xalxe) is now a confirmed scum.

Ah, yes, logic. Because it couldn't be that you and Jason are both scum, that's impossible.

(Hint: it is not)

(Hint2: this is actually what's going on)

[Leonshade]

That only works when there's one scum left, bulder. Otherwise it could be the scumpartner who's holding out on voting.

[buldermar]

That only works when there's one scum left, bulder. Otherwise it could be the scumpartner who's holding out on voting.

This is incorrect, because given the premise that Xalxe is town, there must be at least one scum in you and CD. Scum would have won by hammering a town-Xalxe. Therefore Xalxe cannot be town. I can obviously only deduce this because I know that I'm town. What I can deduce from my local vantage point may not correspond to what you can deduce from your local vantage point because our available information is dissimilar. I'm not going to disregard part of my information just because it's not available to you.

[buldermar]

I'm tempted to put a vote on Bulder to let Leon decide, but then it could be Xalxe/Jason awho may be tying to trick me into doing that.

This is bad even if you're 95% sure that Leonshade is town, because you know your own true alignment 100% of the time.

[Xalxe]

I'm not going to disregard part of my information just because it's not available to you.

This is because the bit you have is that you are scum, there's literally no other way about it.

[Leonshade]

I don't think there's use in prolonging this day any longer.

@Xalxe:

Claim.

[buldermar]

Leon, CD and Jason: if you want me to respond to Xalxe, I will.

[Xalxe]

I don't think there's use in prolonging this day any longer.

@Xalxe:

Claim.

What would I claim but VT? If I was anything else, I'd have said so by now.

[Xalxe]

Leon, CD and Jason: if you want me to respond to Xalxe, I will.

Fuck's sake, could you please be more anti-town? Do you not understand how this

literally isn't helping?

[buldermar]

This is rather obvious, but I'm going to clarify for the sake of avoiding misunderstandings. Since both of Cheery Dog and Leonshade has commented after Xalxe was put on L1, he (Xalxe) is now a confirmed scum.

Ah, yes, logic. Because it couldn't be that you and Jason are both scum, that's impossible.

(Hint: it is not)

(Hint2: this is actually what's going on)

Yes, that is impossible when I'm town.

[Xalxe]

This is rather obvious, but I'm going to clarify for the sake of avoiding misunderstandings. Since both of Cheery Dog and Leonshade has commented after Xalxe was put on L1, he (Xalxe) is now a confirmed scum.

Ah, yes, logic. Because it couldn't be that you and Jason are both scum, that's impossible.

(Hint: it is not)

(Hint2: this is actually what's going on)

Yes, that is impossible when I'm town.

But you're not, so there's that.

[buldermar]

I'm not going to disregard part of my information just because it's not available to you.

This is because the bit you have is that you are scum, there's literally no other way about it.

No, this is because not taking into account my available information leads to an inaccurate analysis of the game. I know you're scum, I know I'm town, and I know you know that I'm town.

[Xalxe]

This is literally he-said he-said at this point.

[buldermar]

Leon, CD and Jason: if you want me to respond to Xalxe, I will.

Fuck's sake, could you please be more anti-town? Do you not understand how this

literally isn't helping?

This literally is the only thing that can potentially help. Discussing with you is absurd, because you'll only discuss from a vantage point in which I'm scum, and I'll only discuss from a vantage point in which you're scum. Our perspectives on this game are not compatible. Everything we say at this point will boil down to WIFOM. If they are interested in having me talk to you, I'll do it to allow for them to make reads, but I'm honestly completely uninterested in everything you have to say at this point because I already have concluded that you're scum.

[buldermar]

This is literally he-said he-said at this point.

Stop acting surprised - I'm not going to pretend that there is a chance for you to not be scum when there isn't one. With your supposed experience, you should know that.

[Xalxe]

This is literally he-said he-said at this point.

Stop acting surprised - I'm not going to pretend that there is a chance for you to not be scum when there isn't one. With your

supposed

experience, you should know that.

And I'm not going to pretend you're not either, so we're stuck. And I don't appreciate the bolded, though it's an excellent attempt to undermine me.

[buldermar]

This is literally he-said he-said at this point.

Stop acting surprised - I'm not going to pretend that there is a chance for you to not be scum when there isn't one. With your

supposed

experience, you should know that.

And I'm not going to pretend you're not either, so we're stuck. And I don't appreciate the bolded, though it's an excellent attempt to undermine me.

It's still

supposed

to me - an experienced player should know that it's suboptimal to create unnecessary WIFOM this way. If I didn't already know that you're scum I'd make a case of you talking to me when you should be talking to them. Until I actually see a display of experience, I'm inclined to consider you inexperienced - deal with it.

[Cheery Dog]

This argument is boring and is making me think you to are still partners.

@bulder, Xalxe is only confirmed scum to you (and probably Jason), the rest of us don't actually know your alignment.

I'm tempted to put a vote on Bulder to let Leon decide, but then it could be Xalxe/Jason awho may be tying to trick me into doing that.

This is bad even if you're 95% sure that Leonshade is town, because you know your own true alignment 100% of the time.

Yes I know I'm town, I also believe Tierce breadcrumbed a clear on Leon, which means he is also town. While if I did do it, it would be a gambit since I have no idea of Jason's alignment.

@Leon, also note they both voted each other, and looking at bulermar's vote, he put vendetta onto L-1 for a silly reason

Also I as a townie announced that I would be putting a vote down soon, which buldermar responded with by a vote down on Xalxe. Now the question I'm mostly asking myself is if scum would be benefit by voting a partner when he knows a town member has just offered to place down a vote in lylo (although not knowing who I was going to vote for), or putting it on a town to try and convince me that was the place I wanted to be voting. If buldermar is town, does he benefit by stealing the first vote in LYLO from what he posted earlier as the third most likely scum and risk making the town lose by a carelessly placed vote?

Also from what I know of Jason's scum game having played with him before, if he has a partner, they're part of his called team but he doesn't vote for them. I don't think he is that likely to have changed from that strategy since this would be his second scum game and he won by following it last time.

Therefore I've now decided that a Jason/Xalxe team is unlikely and I will
VOTE: buldermar

Though I do think it is most likely Xalxe/bulermar currently, out of the two and based on research I have just done, buldermar is the more likely scum out of the two.

[Leonshade]

I hope you're right about that, CD. I'll try to put my vote down ASAP.

[JasonWazza]

CD i also was very loud and pushed the lynches hard enough they went through, but i have to say, if i am playing against you would i play the same as in my known scum meta?

[Cheery Dog]

If you are scum, then you have just done what I said you do as scum
If you're not scum, fine & dandy, we've got both scum on L-1 in LYLO.

[JasonWazza]

I'm just saying this because it looks like your trying to keep the sights off yourself.

[buldermar]

This argument is boring and is making me think you to are still partners.

This is silly.

@bulder, Xalxe is only confirmed scum to you (and probably Jason), the rest of us don't actually know your alignment.

Obviously - what's your point? I still have to analyse the game from what I know.

Also I as a townie announced that I would be putting a vote down soon, which buldermar responded with by a vote down on Xalxe. Now the question I'm mostly asking myself is if scum would be benefit by voting a partner when he knows a town member has just offered to place down a vote in lylo (although not knowing who I was going to vote for), or putting it on a town to try and convince me that was the place I wanted to be voting. If buldermar is town, does he benefit by stealing the first vote in LYLO from what he posted earlier as the third most likely scum and risk making the town lose by a carelessly placed vote?

The order of the votes is irrelevant. I fail to understand the point you're trying to make. Could you explain why the order would not be irrelevant?

Though I do think it is most likely Xalxe/bulermar currently, out of the two and based on research I have just done, buldermar is the more likely scum out of the two.

What research led to this conclusion?