Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 1.6

Kmd4390 (3) Nobody Special, uctriton00, Majiffy
Number Six (2) Breakfast, Fe
Breakfast (2) Borkjerfkin, the director
Fizz (4) penguin_alien, Number Six, Kmd4390. Lastsuvivor


Not Voting

Malakittens, Fizz, pirate mollie





With 14 it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-12-01 16:09:23)

[the director]

You made a scum team list, of which you didn't explain why 2/3 of them were scum, which really was what I was curious about.

Also, your rationale for Breakfastscum at least makes sense, even if it's not really strong. Your point about uct is incomprehensible, and I think is just about a typo.

Like omg you are totes right you totes aren't trying to cover up for the fact you are concerned that a townie is sniffing around a scumbuddy that otherwise has escaped suspicion. Totes bro, brofist. And its breakfast

scum

now? Lolz totes cool. U p cool bro.

Yeah I covered why my previous scum list doesn't apply anymore. Have fun pouring through my ISO figuring that one out.

[Majiffy]

Who the fuck is penguin_alien and where the fuck have they been?

Also Fe needs to post more.

[Fe]

more.

[Fe]

But yes I understand, I'm just of to bed now (it's 4am local time) and I'm busy tommorrow but I'll try and squeeze something in at about 8 o'clock this evening or on Sunday morning.

[penguin_alien]

I don't buy uctriton00's idea that lynching Kmd4390 is some great path to getting information about Majiffy and Fizz. Majiffy engaging Kmd4390 about the latter's top scumread isn't exactly an overwhelming defense, which makes calling his alignment off a Kmd4390 flip rather dicey, and while if Kmd4390 were to flip scum it would be unlikely that Fizz was a buddy, if Kmd4390 were to flip town I don't think that it would give us much additional information on Fizz aside from the idea that Kmd4390's case would have been sincere. Which leaves voting for Kmd4390 due to thinking he's scum, except his arguments in #246, 255, 256, and 259 all boil down to uctriton00 having a town read on Fizz.

Elsewhere I'll buy that Fizz's last couple of posts are moving toward scum hunting despite the prevalence of not knowing what to think about people in his conclusions. Since that is more relevant to me than him answering the (presumably) reaction-test question of whether he's scum, I'll UNVOTE: Fizz for now.

Nobody Special, I don't understand why would pretending to be a dayvig gets you information. Yes, pirate mollie flipped out for a couple posts there, but such a reaction would surely be the exception rather than the rule, as the whole point of open games to my understanding is that one knows the set-up in advance. And if you're convinced Fizz is scum as of #220, why are you looking to see where the Kmd4390 bandwagon goes to the extent that you're supporting it? That feels rather opportunistic to me and even more poorly justified than uctriton00's voting Kmd4390.

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Lastsurvivor]

Like omg you are totes right you totes aren't trying to cover up for the fact you are concerned that a townie is sniffing around a scumbuddy that otherwise has escaped suspicion. Totes bro, brofist. And its breakfastscum now? Lolz totes cool. U p cool bro.

Yeah I covered why my previous scum list doesn't apply anymore. Have fun pouring through my ISO figuring that one out.

Can you please play this game without acting like an obnoxious 14 year old? I'm getting sick and tired of your antagonistic attitude.

Also, no, I don't see why your previous list doesn't "apply" anymore. Why did the list apply at the time?

Maj you're pretty good at getting the lurkers to come out of the woodworks (not saying that in an insidious way).

NS can you answer Penguin's final question because I totally asked you that before and you didn't answer it but I forgot I asked you but now I remembered that I asked you so can you please answer her question thanks.

[Nobody Special]

Nobody Special, I don't understand why would pretending to be a dayvig gets you information. Yes, pirate mollie flipped out for a couple posts there, but such a reaction would surely be the exception rather than the rule, as

the whole point of open games

to my understanding

is that one knows the set-up in advance.

I'll assume you missed my explanation, so I'll repeat it here: I wanted to know who was paying attention. It's my feeling that (generally) scum pay much closer attention to the setup than town does. Therefore, mollie is pretty town for the freakout.

And if you're convinced Fizz is scum as of #220, why are you looking to see where the Kmd4390 bandwagon goes to the extent that you're supporting it? That feels rather opportunistic to me and even more poorly justified than uctriton00's voting Kmd4390.

It was early-game enough that I felt comfortable wagon-hopping to see what would happen. For now, though,

unvote

I need to re-read and catch up.

[the director]

But yes I understand, I'm just of to bed now (it's 4am local time) and I'm busy tommorrow but I'll try and squeeze something in at about 8 o'clock this evening or on Sunday morning.

I got a crazy idea. Let's lynch this guy.

VOTE: Fe

[Nobody Special]

You're right.



It's crazy.

[Kmd4390]

Just want to pop in and say that even though I'm only behind by a page or two, I don't have the motivation to read it yet because work is crazy right before black Friday. I'm sure I'll get to it tomorrow on my day off.

[Malakittens]

The Director,

If that vote is serious which I'm suspecting it is.
Explain what posts make you want to lynch him.

[Majiffy]

Maj you're pretty good at getting the lurkers to come out of the woodworks (not saying that in an insidious way).

I do what I can. Lurkers and inactive slots are the true murderers of games.

[pirate mollie]

Nobody Special, I don't understand why would pretending to be a dayvig gets you information. Yes, pirate mollie flipped out for a couple posts there, but such a reaction would surely be the exception rather than the rule, as

the whole point of open games

to my understanding

is that one knows the set-up in advance.

I'll assume you missed my explanation, so I'll repeat it here: I wanted to know who was paying attention. It's my feeling that (generally) scum pay much closer attention to the setup than town does. Therefore, mollie is pretty town for the freakout.

And if you're convinced Fizz is scum as of #220, why are you looking to see where the Kmd4390 bandwagon goes to the extent that you're supporting it? That feels rather opportunistic to me and even more poorly justified than uctriton00's voting Kmd4390.

It was early-game enough that I felt comfortable wagon-hopping to see what would happen. For now, though,

unvote

I need to re-read and catch up.

not buying any of this.

VOTE: nobody special

[borkjerfkin]

prod dodge. I've got company until later tonight.

[the director]

The Director,

If that vote is serious which I'm suspecting it is.
Explain what posts make you want to lynch him.

He is just prod-dodge skipping through D1. As soon as his name is mentioned he shows up. Very very suspect.

[penguin_alien]

Nobody Special, what was the big thing you thought would happen when you jumped your vote from Fizz to Kmd4390? At the time you were convinced Fizz was scum, so unless you thought that Kmd4390 was hard-bussing a partner by pushing for Fizz's lynch, you were purportedly lending support to a vote train that made no sense from your stated perspective. Your explanation is a regurgitation of your initial justification of, 'why not move my vote from a good target to somewhere else to stay with the recent and/or popular train of thought?'

[Fe]

Hi all I just want to apologise for not posting anything Recently, I'll try and catch up but I've been really busy recently. If I can't catch up I'll replace out (If you Mod, I can try and find a replacement? )

[uctriton00]

Scum replacing when they're in trouble

Unvote

Vote: Fe

[Fizz]

This Fe guy seems fishier post after post.

[the director]

Hi all I just want to apologise for not posting anything Recently, I'll try and catch up but I've been really busy recently. If I can't catch up I'll replace out (If you Mod, I can try and find a replacement? )

Lynch this.

[Kmd4390]

Dude this isn't terribly hard to understand. Being nervous is not a scumtell. End of point.

It can be.

^This. No, it's not a universal tell. But depending on the situation, as NS says, it can be.

i don't buy his "didn't know he was new" excuse

Explain how it would benefit scum to attack a newb and then lie about not knowing they are a newb. It's something that will be called out immediately and doesn't benefit them at all.

You should probably go back and read my post again because you apparently didn't the first time. It had nothing to do with his reason for not just answering no.

Yes it did. He was asked about why he didn't say no and part of his answer was that scum wouldn't want to do that to expose themselves.

Scum replacing when they're in trouble

Unvote
Vote: Fe

Is this for real?

[Majiffy]

.... I said MY post. MY post.

FFS learn to read.

[Kmd4390]

Which post?

[Majiffy]

Nervousness seemed more like "hope I don't get lynched", which can easily be misconstrued as "hope they don't figure me out".
His answer read more like a newb thinking the Socratic Method was the proper way to scumhunt when someone asks you a question.
The whole "not wanting to expose himself" bit was clearly a hypothetical to explain why your read of him was incorrect.

There you go.