Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[penguin_alien]

the director, why are you saying (I assume) that Fe's wanting to replace out is scummy, asking others to lynch, but not putting your vote there?

[Kmd4390]

Except it wasn't hypothetical...

[RachMarie]

everyone I got some really bad news. Though my dad was recovering and things looked really well he passed away. I still do not know many details yet. And I am still in shock

I will still mod the game and if I need a backup while I am up in the Bay Area sorting through my dad's things, I will get one.

[Majiffy]

[Fe]

I am really sorry for your loss

[Majiffy]

Are you caught up yet, Fe?

[Fizz]

Really sorry to hear that Rach.

[pirate mollie]

rachmarie,

[the director]

Sorry to hear that Rach.

[borkjerfkin]

@Rach -- sorry for your loss

[Malakittens]

Sorry Rach .

[borkjerfkin]

I don't like Majiffy #279 -- this seems like an admission that it's plausible that Kmd genuinely misinterpreted Fizz's nervousness. Why is Kmd scum for doing this? This is some serious confirmation bias if you're town. I have pretty much 0 interest in a Kmd lynch today anymore.
@Majiffy -- you mentioned LastSurvivor was a good lynch. Do you still feel that way, and if so, why?

Uct #280 is buddying Mala. In fact lots of people are calling Mala town after I did it in #171. I did this because she shut down the (i believe unintentional) rolefishing that Mollie did in ~#124. Outside of that her play is kinda worrying me at this point because she's playing very reactively and opaquely. Do others disagree? Why?
Regarding Uct #318 -- explain why replacing out under pressure is a scumtell.

#294 from Fizz at least contains some analysis (good), but I'm worried he's parroting my reads (he even mentions Mala and Mollie in the same sentence, which I also did.)

penguin #316 is a good post and kind of speaks to NS trying to blend in.

In fact NS is just looking worse to me. Wagon hop in #220 makes no sense if he's seriously convinced Fizz is scum (reread-edit -- penguin already pointed this out, but I'd like to add that Fizz had a sizable wagon himself at that point so it's even more suspicious.) I don't see any motivation behind #289 other than to possibly muddy the situation -- there's no conclusion drawn here. #307 is exactly what I'd expect him to say re: dayvig reaction test as either alignment and I'll agree that Mollie looks town from it.

I can't really get inside the director's head at all. Definitely not seeing why #308 should be some back breaking straw. My gut on director, however, is town, based on previous play with him.

Nothing new to say about Breakfast other than that

he needs a serious prod to the face.

He's been active elsewhere.

[Malakittens]

Honestly, Bork, I usually don't spring up to being active in a game until Day 2. I tend to use night kill analysis to find scum.
There are some games where I have a very accurate reason to vote someone for being scum in Day 1 and will literally sit on their wagon and push until they are lynched.

You might not see it, but every post I make helps me organize reads. Some of the reads are done by gut, but I don't use it as a backbone.

I do agree though that Mollie's post which I asked politely to stop was accidental role fishing, but either way the longer it went on the more it would help scum. I already explained that Mollie was a town read prior and even though that post came after it never changed my read on her.

Even though people call me town after you doesn't exactly mean they are scum parroting reads. I think it means that they are on the same page as you with the read on a certain player.

Since I have time to kill before class. I'm going to go ISO Players whom I barely remember posts. When this happens it means they are floating under my radar and have a good chance of being scum.

[borkjerfkin]

@Mala -- Who is scum? I've gotten very little impression of that from your posting this game.

also before I forget:

V/LA Wed-Sat this week.

[pirate mollie]

I don't like Majiffy #279 -- this seems like an admission that it's plausible that Kmd genuinely misinterpreted Fizz's nervousness. Why is Kmd scum for doing this? This is some serious confirmation bias if you're town. I have pretty much 0 interest in a Kmd lynch today anymore.
@Majiffy -- you mentioned LastSurvivor was a good lynch. Do you still feel that way, and if so, why?

Uct #280 is buddying Mala. In fact lots of people are calling Mala town after I did it in #171. I did this because she shut down the (i believe unintentional)

rolefishing that Mollie did in ~#124

. Outside of that her play is kinda worrying me at this point because she's playing very reactively and opaquely. Do others disagree? Why?
Regarding Uct #318 -- explain why replacing out under pressure is a scumtell.

#294 from Fizz at least contains some analysis (good), but I'm worried he's parroting my reads (he even mentions Mala and Mollie in the same sentence, which I also did.)

penguin #316 is a good post and kind of speaks to NS trying to blend in.

In fact NS is just looking worse to me. Wagon hop in #220 makes no sense if he's seriously convinced Fizz is scum (reread-edit -- penguin already pointed this out, but I'd like to add that Fizz had a sizable wagon himself at that point so it's even more suspicious.) I don't see any motivation behind #289 other than to possibly muddy the situation -- there's no conclusion drawn here. #307 is exactly what I'd expect him to say re: dayvig reaction test as either alignment and I'll agree that Mollie looks town from it.

I can't really get inside the director's head at all. Definitely not seeing why #308 should be some back breaking straw. My gut on director, however, is town, based on previous play with him.

Nothing new to say about Breakfast other than that he needs a serious prod to the face. He's been active elsewhere.

wrt the bold: whoa, I just want to clarify cos that was a bit of misrepresentation there borky.

fe

was the one who was rolefishing, not me, I was going after him for it. I got a little irritated with malacat cos she shut it down cos I didn't see how anybody could not find fe's line of reasoning and questioning scummy. I was just calling him on it.

[Kmd4390]

Rach, sorry to hear that.

[borkjerfkin]

@Mollie -- Your line of questioning had the potential to give people information about roles rather than just alignment. That's all I meant and I think you're overreacting given that I'm not trying to paint you as scummy for doing it.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie -- Your line of questioning had the potential to give people information about roles rather than just alignment. That's all I meant and I think you're overreacting given that I'm not trying to paint you as scummy for doing it.

bork.

here is post #124:

okay.

so you think he has a night action

. where is the scum slip.

fe said that he thought that aether said something that implied he had a night action. the bold is where I was repeating that

fe had said that he thought aether had a night action

. and then I asked him where was the scum slip. how is that role fishing exactly? looks like I was trying to find out from fe as to why he thought that was a scumslip (alignment question).

for you to say that I was rolefishing is a misrepresentation of what was actually said or even asked and one of my pet peeves is when someone misrepresents what I say so plz do not do that.

[borkjerfkin]

Ok Mollie is pretty much definite town; I don't want to talk about the original line of questioning, though.

[pirate mollie]

eta: malacat this kind of applies to you as well.

but anyways I have malacat, kmd, that penguin person and borky in my town pile. very unsure about majiffy. unsure about fizz. almost wouldn't mind a fizz lynch though cos it almost looks like majiffy was trying to move the lynch off of fizz at the point where he voted for aether. I think nb looks like pondscum with that explanation he gave to penguin person like scumminess is seriously oozing out of every orifice of his body.

[Kmd4390]

Mollie and bork are probably town for things I picked up in that discussion, but we won't discuss those things.

Mollie, majiffy stated intent to vote aether before the game even started officially.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie and bork are probably town for things I picked up in that discussion, but we won't discuss those things.

Mollie, majiffy stated intent to vote aether before the game even started officially.

I know! did you see where I questioned majiffy about it cos instead of just announcing it was a policy vote he tried to make out like he genuinely saw aether as scummy.

anyways I am not going to bicker with players that I think are town anymore.

was it you who asked me about the director? he has been quiet and not very...direct. I will read his posts in iso at another point but I am pretty sure he hasn't done much. what do you think of him.

[Kmd4390]

I didn't take it as policy, but ok.

I asked someone about director. Can't remember if it was you or not. I think he's scum.

[RachMarie]

I may have to go V/LA sooner than expected Antihero has graciously offered to be my backup mod. Will also be V/LA for NS as well since he will be going up there with me.

[Lastsurvivor]

Sorry Rach

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While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).