Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[uctriton00]

I've been sick and then the holidays have been coming, and worse it's the weekend and I usually play a lot on the weekdays.

But luckily there hasn't been much activity from anyone since I last posted.

Kmd, is Fizz being a better lynch rooted in the very first case on him in the first place, about the overexplaining?

[Lastsurvivor]

Going to piggy back on Maj's #394. Fe, why did you give Number 6 "town points" if you didn't mean it?

Also, I find it suspicious that you had time to do a VC but not enough time to put forward any content.

[the director]

Also, I find it suspicious that you had time to do a VC but not enough time to put forward any content.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fe is just too scared to post and is trying to keep his head down long enough for Fizz or someone else to become the flavor of the moment.

[Kmd4390]

Uct, yup.

[pirate mollie]

Ok I read that page in full and it looks like I already picked out the important parts.

Majiffy, call me dense but I legitimately don't see how anything in fizz's play is newbish. Until he said I was just going after the new guy, it didn't even occur to me from reading his posts that he may be new. I gave my reasons why he is scum and the fact that he is new doesn't change those reasons in my opinion. The main thing I saw originally was a nervousness that implied a thought of "I hope they don't figure me out", not "I hope I play well". Then he showed the same thing in his answer (if you can even call it an answer) to the "are you scum" question.

It looked like someone not wanting to lie and avoiding the question by choosing to focus on why the question was asked rather than focusing on the answer itself

. And then there's the whole thing about not wanting to expose himself as scum if he's scum. There is no reason for a townie to think like that. The closes a townie should get to that line of thinking is "I don't want someone to think I am scum" or "I don't want to be lynched". His posting just looks like it is coming from a scum mindset, new or not.

Mollie, I don't remember much of breakfast, but I do remember something standing out about fe. And while I liked Nobody at first (probably biased because he jumped on the wagon I started), I see your point on him. What do you think of director?

I have been wanting to hang on this cos I wanted to see what else shook out but it is one week before a lynch and I think we need to get our shit together.

wrt the bold: this internally consistent with what kmd has posted prior and it is innately true. newb scum do not like to lie it is uncomfortable if they are a decent person IRL. I was caught out a few times in a couple of early scum games cos I was asked if I was scum outright and either refused the question or dodged it. I have also caught scum out using this very same tactic.

this is also the post that sealed it for me that kmd is town.

was really hoping to take out the head before the ass (fizz I am not calling you an ass, it is just a figure of speech!) which I still think is majiffy but I am not certain and majiffy is too good of a player to waste on d1 in case I am wrong about him. <enters majiffy with a "you're retarded post">

[Malakittens]

Oh, I didn't even see the dodge question on Fizz regarding being scum.

Vote: Fizz

[borkjerfkin]

hey all, back, kinda sick, will catch up tomm.

[penguin_alien]

I don't feel inclined to move my vote from Fe yet, as I think he still is giving off way more scum vibes than pro-town signals, but pirate mollie's support of Kmd4390's take on Fizz makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately I don't have time to reread this thread at the moment, but I plan to check tomorrow how many of Fizz's reads, particularly those he was willing to call town, were parroting popular earlier opinions, in particular his town reads on Malakittens and pirate mollie. Since other than them, everyone except Last Survivor came up as scummy or unclear to him. Yes, it is early days, but it's also a question of if he's scum, he's hedging his bets/not leaving much to incriminate him.

Not sure if it's relevant, but Number Six and Breakfast have been MIA for upward of a week. Number Six came in volunteering a couple of reads but has disappeared since people lost interest in voting his slot (formerly Aether's), no V/LA that I can see. Breakfast also seems to have lost interest since everyone's focus moved away from the Aether-spot lynch, i.e. one that while may have had somewhat of a point also had a decent amount of 'lynch the VI.' My initial thoughts on their behavior are kind of mutually exclusive, as it seems like Number Six was mostly posting when it was in his interest to avoid being strung up, and Breakfast was mostly interested in pushing the lynch on the Number Six-Aether slot, with a side order of interest in Nobody Special.

[Majiffy]

<enters majiffy with a "you're retarded post">

Yup!

newb scum do not like to lie it is uncomfortable if they are a decent person IRL.

This takes way too many assumptions, the biggest being that you're projecting your feelings and attitudes which are entirely dependent on your personality and general behavior onto the feelings and attitudes of people whom are not you.

I, for one, had no problem lying as scum. It's the point of the game. This certainly doesn't make me an indecent person. Also, scum kmd can just as easily make this statement as it doesn't really hurt his standing or win condition, so considering him town for posting said perspective is silly as well.

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Thanks for reminding me about Aether's slot, penguin. I'll be looking into N6 tomorrow. Fe is today's lynch.

[Lastsurvivor]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fe is just too scared to post and is trying to keep his head down long enough for Fizz or someone else to become the flavor of the moment.

I'm feeling the same way about Fizz really.

[pirate mollie]

This takes way too many assumptions, the biggest being that you're projecting your feelings and attitudes which are entirely dependent on your personality and general behavior onto the feelings and attitudes of people whom are not you.

lol.

it isn't an assumption you giant dummy it is a point of reference wrt to what motivates players to post what they post in a game. it has been my experience that people who are uncomfortable with lying will dodge around a bit cos they do not want to come right out and lie. I have seen lots of players do this and I have used the very same tactic that kmd used and they had a similar response and they turned out to be scum. it only works on newbscum.

I, for one, had no problem lying as scum. It's the point of the game. This certainly doesn't make me an indecent person

. Also, scum kmd can just as easily make this statement as it doesn't really hurt his standing or win condition, so considering him town for posting said perspective is silly as well.

oh good grief I am pretty sure you are a decent person so don't get your panties in a twist.

and it is not silly to put kmd in my town pile for that since I am taking in his body of work and it reads as town. you can quibble about my scumdar (especially after the recent tr game) but my towndar is usually pretty accurate.

of course if kmd does turn out to be scum I will have to eat a shit ton of humble pie but for now I am sticking to my town read.

[Majiffy]

it isn't an assumption you giant dummy it is a point of reference wrt to what motivates players to post what they post in a game. it has been my experience that people who are uncomfortable with lying will dodge around a bit cos they do not want to come right out and lie. I have seen lots of players do this and I have used the very same tactic that kmd used and they had a similar response and they turned out to be scum. it only works on newbscum.

Arghhhh you're not getting it.

It's an assumption insofar as you're projecting the motivations/feelings onto a certain person without the information necessary to confidently make said projections.

of course if kmd does turn out to be scum I will have to eat a shit ton of humble pie but for now I am sticking to my town read.

I eagerly await to feed you every last tasty forkful.

[Nobody Special]

Hi. Not only am I shuttling back and forth between two towns, I've caught cold and generally feel like shit.

Vote: Fe

He's walking a too-fine tightrope. Lynch it.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: Fizz

Pings me as scummier than Fe and I'm more convinced this wagon is town driven than I am about the Fe wagon.

[pirate mollie]

may we pretty plz have a vc cos I really want to vote fizz.

[Malakittens]

Unoffical VC:

Please note this is in no order. I did it off ISO's.

NS: pirate mollie
Number 6: Fe, Breakfast
Majiffy: Number 6
Fizz: bork, last survivor, Malakittens, KMD (4)
Fe: NS, Majiffy, penguin, the director, Uct (5)

Not voting: fizz

Takes 8 to lynch with 14 alive.

[pirate mollie]

thank you malacat!

VOTE: fizz

[penguin_alien]

I hate to ask, but could we please get prods on Number Six and Breakfast? It's at the point where I wonder if they remember there's a game going on. And since everyone else aside from Fe and Fizz is voting for Fizz or Fe with four days to go, two inactive spots could be an issue.

[Majiffy]

Mollie you're on the wrong wagon.

[pirate mollie]

I think they both look squiffy, majiffy. hehe

okay. VOTE: fe

[Majiffy]

Atta girl.

[pirate mollie]

you know if you turn out to be scum in this game you have seriously fucked your meta with me

[Majiffy]

Haven't I taught you already to stop relying so heavily on meta? Especially concerning me; I play pretty much the same. I'm just more accurate at hitting scum when I know who they are.

[pirate mollie]

well then you are objectively the most scummiest looking players in the game. I have no meta with you wrt your scum game but fuck it you just look wrong.

VOTE: fizz

[Majiffy]

You could always click the handy link in my signature. I have scum/town games classified in brackets next to each link.