The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[pidgey]

Jason; thats it? Seriously? Thats the only input ice ninja has given you? Someone who was really into the game? Like... What about his other investigations, reads or something? What else was his ability about?

Having a hard time believing jason town

[kortul]

Checked pidgey ISO for the day 1. While he said nothing about green for the whole day, guess he would tell at least anything if he had him on the scummy side. He did have SoO as town, so the explanation behind his use of power seems reasonable. Also, unless it is possible to have random events in this game, claim is likely to be true regarding his power. Even if it IS possible to have random events, using this as a fake claim is risky, since there are chances to get a counterclaim. The question is, whether this power (or Toot-Toot Fairy role) can be non-town aligned (that's a question to those familiar with the books). Based on the feel of the game so far, i think that giving this power to the scum is counterintuitive, town or some third party is more logical and fun. At the very least i want to hear the results of the second use of it.

Oh, and pidgey, was that the exact quote of your question?


Regarding Jason words, ICEninja checking ABR seems reasonable, given his read at the end of day 2. Jason, ask him about his abilities and some of his statements (what was the cause of his doubts?):

I really don't want to say more. What I have is inconclusive information that

suggests

he is who he says he is.

Had I forgotten to turn in a night action, or had I been blocked, or whatever, I probably would be voting for Klick at the moment, largely for what I said about Dalton last night and what CKD has been saying today. However, I simply cannot in good conscious ignore the information I have, even if I can't guarantee its reliability.

After carefully scrutinizing the wording of my role PM, I feel there is a plausible enough of a chance that my role information is inaccurate. I don't want to explain what I believe the conditions to be because scum could use this information against me.

@Konowa, as far as i understand, FLP was refering to the day 2 (Klick) lynch.

I have to pass an important certification test in two weeks (Saturday, 8 December), so will be very busy for this period. Should be able to follow the game, but not really active. If you feel that i should ask for replacement, i will do so, since game wasn't really challenging so far, and replacements won't be disadvantaged.

[Konowa]

I did go back too far.

Klick (8, LYNCH) - Thor665, fatlikepig, curiouskarmadog, sword_of_omens, Sixty, pidgey, Shamrock, Klick

[jasonT1981]

Alright, I had to await a response from the mod as to something. However, yes I have a QT with ICE right now. So far.

Someone mentioned an 'execution' earlier in the game, ICE has the same feeling that there is a vig at work. Weapon of choice being a sword who can behead. Possibly a warden.

his role was combined bodyguard/investigate.. he had to choose which to use. His death as a bodyguard was NOT caused by protecting someone like a bodyguard would as I thought it may have been the case. As he did not use bodyguard action on the night of death.

That is one of the reasons I channeled Ice, to see who, if anyone he had protected the night he died in an attempt to work out who scum targeted that night.

He did investigate ABR but got an innocent which is why I have removed my vote. However, he does suspect his role could only get results on red scum, not blue. But he does have an innocent on ABR.

Since there were no kills last night, there is the possibility that one scum team is completly dead.

Since there was a blue flip that featured non investigation immune, there is the good chance there is the same for red team.

Still sorting though things right now, trying to do some work at home too, so will try and get back on tonight. Hope some of this helps.

[jasonT1981]

Jason; thats it? Seriously? Thats the only input ice ninja has given you? Someone who was really into the game? Like... What about his other investigations, reads or something? What else was his ability about?

Having a hard time believing jason town

you do realize at the time I posted the innocent from Ice, the game had only been open a few hours, the QT did not open until the day started. So very little had been said aside from the innocent. I also had to wait on a response from the Mod as to if I could quote directly or paraphrase what is said.

Weak crap there, Pidgey. weak crap.

[kortul]

Jason, again, what was/is the cause of his doubts?

[jasonT1981]

Regarding Jason words, ICEninja checking ABR seems reasonable, given his read at the end of day 2. Jason, ask him about his abilities and some of his statements (what was the cause of his doubts?.

He has mentioned about how his abilities work, will work on paraphrasing it soon as it is seemingly complicated ( or i am simple minded) Will ask about his doubts when i get back into the QT later.

[jasonT1981]

I'm still not liking Jason, though..
@Jason, did ICEnin say if his result on ABR was worded any differently than his result from N1?

nothing I can see. Will ask.

[pidgey]

Well you hadnt said the mod thing so i had trouble believing ice just said "hello i have 1 inno on albert welp bbl".

Now that you explained the whole thing i have to say you are much less scummier.

Still, shouldnt he have 1 more investigation?

[jasonT1981]

He died Night 2.... so no.

[pidgey]

I was hoping he'd get a result even when dead. Oh well.

[Shmugen]

A massclaim should happen either today or tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

its pidgey

[Shmugen]

Is that a Toot counterclaim?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Naw

[Shmugen]

The Toot claim , if made up by scum, came off too clean. Making it up on the spot should have had an error.

[Shamrock]

Can someone tell me why kortul is town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Konowa

[pidgey]

this guy

[jasonT1981]

I'm still not liking Jason, though..
@Jason, did ICEnin say if his result on ABR was worded any differently than his result from N1?

nothing I can see. Will ask.

Sorry, I actually missed this, it was answered. both were exactly the same 'not guilty'

[Shamrock]

... What?

Unless there are bastard mechanics coming in to play (which, to be perfectly honest, my role flavor left room for bastard mechanics) then Klick is probably who he claims to be. Based on knowledge of the series, I'm inclined to believe that Georgia is sane.

?????

Why did he say the above if he received a result of "not guilty"?

[Sixty]

... What?

Unless there are bastard mechanics coming in to play (which, to be perfectly honest, my role flavor left room for bastard mechanics) then Klick is probably who he claims to be. Based on knowledge of the series, I'm inclined to believe that Georgia is sane.

?????

Why did he say the above if he received a result of "not guilty"?

You're parsing it incorrectly. That quote has two parts:

1. Unless there are bastard mechanics coming in to play (which, to be perfectly honest, my role flavor left room for bastard mechanics) then Klick is probably who he claims to be.

2. Role investigation.
   ICEninja was an alignment cop; getting a "not guilty" will usually mean the player is Town, i.e. not lying about his claim, i.e. "who he claims to be".
   

   Based on knowledge of the series, I'm inclined to believe that Georgia is sane.

3. Klick's favor claim.
   If he is Georgia, Klick is sane, because Georgia is a pretty rational lass.

In truth, ICEninja was wrong, because Klick was a godfather/investigation immune. That would return "not guilty".

Does that make more sense now?

[Shamrock]

Oops, you're right.

[fatlikepig]

Going to wait until we get more from ICENinja until I drop my doubts about ABR, though the innocent does throw a spanner in the works given Klick was already Investigation-Immune. Don't really see Pidgey being scum given his claim, it makes a lot of sense as town and not much as being a fakeclaim.

Shamrock, I don't find Kortul particularly interesting (which doesn't exactly equate to him being town, but he doesn't really look like scum to me.) Is there something you're seeing that I'm not?

I'd be in favour of massclaiming soon; given that we're probably quite close to having lynched most/all of the scum left in the game, having a rough idea of what the setup looks like and forcing scum to fakeclaim would help expedite the process of finding the remaining scums.

Anyway, about that claim of mine that I promised I'd get to...

I am

Bob, Inventing Spirit of Some Trades

.

I am some sort of spirit and/or female dog, and a companion to Dresden, to whom I give advice. Though I would rather be reading romance novels, I need to make sure Dresden is safe. To do so, I must use the various abilities I have available, even if I don't have Dresden's permission to do so.

I have two sets of two abilities. The first allows me to conjure up a potion, though I can only make one a night due to Dresden's lack of resources. Once I've made the potion, I can deliver it to a person of my choice.

I have:
1-Shot Lover-iser: My recipient can choose two people who will become Lovers.
1-Shot Commuter: Target recipient can't be targeted by any ability the night they use the potion.

My second set of abilities allows me to use my age and experience to perform tricks. I can only use them once, however.

1-shot Sensor: I call upon the spirits in order to have them tell me about what is going on in Chicago, in turn I am told the number of players on the previous day's lynch wagon that aren't town-aligned.
1-shot Hider: I can take Mister the Cat and hide inside him near another player's vicinity. If that player is targeted by a night ability, then I will also be targeted.

[Sixty]

We believe Trixie.
Bob is a spirit of intellect. He does

not

get things wrong, and the only reason the Sensor (what a stupid name seriously MS) got a rather game-breaking result is because we are awesome and lynched scum Days 1 and 2 and 3. In addition, MoI supported/approved/was fine with a 2-shot sensor being in Chrono Trigger Resurrection (Kdub's game, MoI was back-up mod), and the game boiled down to the Sensor use to determine the final lynches.

Sensor result: "There are three anti-Town players in the Klick lynch wagon."

Thor665

(1) -

Albert B. Rampage

Klick

(8, LYNCH) -

Thor665

,

fatlikepig

,

curiousk

armadog

, sword_of_omens, Sixty, pidgey, Shamrock,

Klick

Albert B. Rampage

(2) - jasonT1981,

greenknight

Not Voting (4) - Shmugen, kortul,

ICEninja

, Konowa


There is no more scum in the Klick wagon, so we have:

Thor665

(1) -

Albert B. Rampage

Klick

(8, LYNCH) -

Thor665

, fatlikepig,

curiousk

armadog

,

sword_of_omens

,

Sixty

,

pidgey

,

Shamrock

,

Klick

Albert B. Rampage

(2) - jasonT1981,

greenknight

Not Voting (4) - Shmugen, kortul,

ICEninja

, Konowa


This leaves jason, Shmugen, kortul and Konowa.

jason is likely Town due to claim, and his result on ICEninja makes a lot of sense given ICEninja's stance on Klick. (And defending ABR, as scum, in that situation? Nah.)
Konowa is likely Town in a very interesting meta read. We see no reason to explain that now.
Between Shmugen and kortul, kortul is playing nicely within his Town meta. Shmu is the first to go.


Also, there are 10 alive, 6 to lynch,

should be one scum left (red); if there is only one kill/night

, this means:
D4: Town lynch -> 8:1
N4: Town death -> 7:1
D5: Town lynch -> 6:1
N5: Town death -> 5:1
D6: Town lynch -> 4:1
N6: Town death -> 3:1
D7: No lynch -> 3:1
N7: Town death -> 2:1
D8: 3p LyLo

We have FOUR LYNCHES to cycle through people who are not cleared. We should only be considering three people 'uncleared' in this game.

Show, road, etc.

UNVOTE: pidgey
VOTE: Shmugen