Mini 1398 - Game Over!

[jmo16mla]

Yeah seriously!?! Thanks for catching that absta. I never said that D-:<

[Disturbed_One]

iamusername:

How are they not my own words? Elaborate on that bit, please. But to answer your questions directly, you were all like "Let's go hunt the scum", which seems weird because it goes without saying that we should be hunting and lynching scum. It kind of read to me like "Oh look guys, I'm so town."

ICEninja is scummy because he was trying to discourage the vote on himself with bad reasoning. McStab said an explanation was forthcoming, so it was obvious it was not a meaningless vote. Seemed kind of a like a nervous "Oh, he doesn't have a reason for voting me, so I'm not scummy at all." Also his indirect support of pretty much every wagon without actually voting on the wagons is pretty scummy. It means he's okay with a mislynch, he just doesn't want to be caught on a wagon that ends up in a mislynch.

@ Absta:

"Absta: you're stuck on thinking an OMGUS vote is a scum tell? Why wouldn't a townie who is offended by the vote want to vote back?"

He said this in one of his posts (forget the number, it's not hard to find anyway). To me, this looked like backtracking. He was arguing that he had never made an OMGUS vote and you were debating that he could be scum if it could be proven that he thought as OMGUS as a scum tell. And this post is trying to debate that OMGUS is a scum tell.

As far as I know, this is not a misrep nor is it a mistake. After all, it was my interpretation of what he actually did say. Do you disagree with this interpretation?

[Disturbed_One]

In case that wasn't clear enough, JMO was arguing that he had never made an OMGUS vote, because he was drunk. And then all of a sudden, he wanted to start debating whether or not OMGUS was an actual scum-tell. Kind of like, "I never made an OMGUS vote... but, if I did, it wouldn't have been scummy anyway." Does that make sense?

[jmo16mla]

So you doctored that quote. Meaning you set it up specifically for you to lie.
Find the post number.

[Disturbed_One]

So you doctored that quote. Meaning you set it up specifically for you to lie.
Find the post number.

I didn't doctor anything. The only thing I did wrong was not quote you directly but paraphrase you and if you look at what you actually said and what my interpretation of it was, I don't think there's much of a difference between the two.

Post number is #43 and you did say that bit directed towards Absta. Explain how I am lying about what you said when I am making judgments based off of what you actually said.

[jmo16mla]

So you doctored that quote. Meaning you set it up specifically for you to lie.
Find the post number.

I didn't doctor anything. The only thing I did wrong was not quote you directly but paraphrase you and if you look at what you actually said and what my interpretation of it was, I don't think there's much of a difference between the two.

Post number is #43 and you did say that bit directed towards Absta. Explain how I am lying about what you said when I am making judgments based off of what you actually said.

Because when you're drunk, you don't notice things. I simply found a name in the player list, and obviously disturbed one popped out. I don't see OMGUS as a scum tell. But even if that were the case, it wasn't an OMGUS in the first place. It was simply a random vote. Coincidence? Sure. Nothing more nothing less.

Absta: you're stuck on thinking an OMGUS vote is a scum tell? Why wouldn't a townie who is offended by the vote want to vote back?

If like go Mcstab to talk about his vote on ice ninja.

This post? the one that you wouldn't quote because when you look back at it, you could tell you lied about?

Clearly it says. I dont see OMGUS as a scum tell. EVEN if it was a scum tell, it still wasn't an OMGUS vote.

you keep thinking an OMGUS vote is a scum tell. Why wouldn't a townie who is offended by the vote on him or her want to vote back?

says: i dont see how OMGUS is a scum tell. couldnt a townie be offended by the vote and vote them back?
this^ is in relation to how OMGUS would or wouldnt be a scum tell. Not a thing about me wanting to OMGUS vote.

Never once did I say "Why wouldn't I want to place an OMGUS vote?"

keep doctoring my quotes like that. you look quite scummy.

[Disturbed_One]

Well, hasn't this escalated to a meaningless discussion of semantics.

I did quote from the post, in fact I did quote the portion which I was using for my case. I did quote it, so I'm not sure why you're acting like I didn't.

I never said you directly said that. Even though the quoted portion basically amounts to that. Geez. Regardless of what you said, you are clearly discussing whether or not OMGUS is a scum tell.

I'm honestly getting tired of going back and forth like this. Apparently, my case isn't amazing or else the votes would be flocking to you right now. In fact, I get the sense from some people *coughAbstacough* that they think my case is either misrepresented and/or illogical.

Unvote: JMO
Vote: ICEninja

[Alduskkel]

Vote Count #3

ICEninja (5) - McStab, Dunhamganger, Mirhawk, Bacde, Disturbed_One
Disturbed_One (3) - jmo16mla, iamausername, absta101
iamausername (1) - Dire_Drenz
jmo16mla (1) - ICEninja
McStab (1) - RedRabbit

Not Voting (2) - Nachomamma8, Shamrock

Deadline is in: (expired on 2012-12-15 00:00:00)

13 alive, 7 to lynch.

[ICEninja]

ICEninja is scummy because he was trying to discourage the vote on himself with bad reasoning. McStab said an explanation was forthcoming, so it was obvious it was not a meaningless vote.

He did? I'm pretty sure when he dropped that vote in post 17 he voted for me and said absolutely nothing about it. Unless I'm reading that post wrong. Nope, I'm not. He then came back and said he would eventually explain it, and I'm still waiting for said explanation.

Also, as I directly stated "looksl ike McStab's vote is serious", as in not meaningless, why are you painting me as having said his vote was meaningless?

Somebody please explain to me how pressuring someone for their reasons for voting you benefits scum more than town.

And um...this?

Also, for being very supportive of many wagons at once but not directly supporting them, I.E through a vote.

Being supportive of "many wagons"? If you mean labeling 3 players as suspicious, then OK. Haven't quite a few people labeled more than one person as suspicious? Oh and I haven't supported them? That's funny because I've had my vote on 2 of the 3 people.

jmo is still giving me scum vibes for reasons stated earlier.

Disturbed is flipping his vote back and forward on what look like the 2 "easy lynches", might be scum looking to see where his vote can safely stick. Considering how bad his reasoning for voting me is, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Mirhawk]

I am slowly coming to the opinion that all the town players are away and the scum are arguing amongst themselves.

Disturbed why are you so sure that McStab has a reason for a vote?

ICE the point is that you were in tacit support of both of the viable town wagons. (no I don't considers iamausernames viable) But didn't move your vote off your rvs vote until asked about it.

JMO you and disturbed are arguing over nothing.

[Disturbed_One]

ICEninja is scummy because he was trying to discourage the vote on himself with bad reasoning. McStab said an explanation was forthcoming, so it was obvious it was not a meaningless vote.

He did? I'm pretty sure when he dropped that vote in post 17 he voted for me and said absolutely nothing about it. Unless I'm reading that post wrong. Nope, I'm not. He then came back and said he would eventually explain it, and I'm still waiting for said explanation.

Also, as I directly stated "looksl ike McStab's vote is serious", as in not meaningless, why are you painting me as having said his vote was meaningless?

Somebody please explain to me how pressuring someone for their reasons for voting you benefits scum more than town.

And um...this?

Also, for being very supportive of many wagons at once but not directly supporting them, I.E through a vote.

Being supportive of "many wagons"? If you mean labeling 3 players as suspicious, then OK. Haven't quite a few people labeled more than one person as suspicious? Oh and I haven't supported them? That's funny because I've had my vote on 2 of the 3 people.

jmo is still giving me scum vibes for reasons stated earlier.

Disturbed is flipping his vote back and forward on what look like the 2 "easy lynches", might be scum looking to see where his vote can safely stick. Considering how bad his reasoning for voting me is, I wouldn't be surprised.

Let's see what McStab has to say about his vote before we jump to any conclusions. Maybe he has a perfectly good reason for it. Maybe he doesn't.

What I mean to say is that you tried to make his vote look bad. You said that he hadn't given a reason for his vote yet, and you didn't like that. I find this a scummy reaction. You're also doing the same thing with me now. Trying to invalidate my vote on you.

I'm not trying to paint anything, though apparently I need to work on being more clear because you're the second person who seems to think I'm trying to obfuscate information.

You only supported that second vote after being pushed into it. But nice try. You were sitting on your vote before you got pressured into changing it.

My reasoning for voting you is actually quite sound. Really nice try at making it look like it wasn't, but the fact remains you've played a highly scummy game.

[Disturbed_One]

@ Mirhawk:

I actually don't know for sure, but to be honest, I really liked McStab's vote. I found ICEninja's first post a bit fluffy. A pseudo-useful but generally unimportant timezone question and a survey of experience, which is also pretty useless. And then the iamusername sheep, which is really all the post really contributed. Seemed like a lot of effort for that one post, personally.

Personally, I like McStab. He's definitely a town read for now. I do think he needs to explain his vote at this time, however.

[ICEninja]

Let's see what McStab has to say about his vote before we jump to any conclusions.

The fact that he posted what appeared to be a serious vote on me without reasoning is not debatable. No conclusions were jumped to. Posting a vote without any reason is bad, and I pointed this out. Not scummy.

What I mean to say is that you tried to make his vote look bad.

And that's because it was. Me pointing out that a bad vote is bad? You guessed it. Not scummy.

You're also doing the same thing with me now. Trying to invalidate my vote on you.

Hmm. So you're voting the only player that I'm 100% sure is town, and I'm trying to convince you that you should move your vote. Tell me more about how this isn't playing to town win condition. Are we seeing a "not scummy" theme here?

You were sitting on your vote before you got pressured into changing it.

You may note that there was a grand total of 4 hours and 15 minutes between my vote for iam and my post 35 where I meant to switch my vote. I obviously didn't realize that I neglected to switch my vote until the next morning.

Also, even if that WASN'T the case, explain to me how it's scummy to wait to hear a response from the person I voted for before switching my vote again?

My reasoning for voting you is actually quite sound.

Hrm. I suppose considering how we're on page 4 and you have virtually nothing to go on I can't fault you for going with your gut on this, but I'm going to have to point out that you're wrong. Probably not scum, but wrong.

[Bacde]

I am currently voting for two people. I'll fix that.

Unvote, unvote, Vote: Disturbed_One

I think one of jmo or disturbed is scum, and I'm pretty sure its Disturbed. Disturbed reads to me as "we caught a town doing something stupid, now everybody get him!", and then changes his vote to the most popular wagon when asked more thoroughly about his first read.

Will think more about iamausername and iceninja later. I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum, but I don't have as strong a feeling as I do for jmo and disturbed.

[ICEninja]

Oh and for the record, my vote on jmo is about a gut read based on his responses, not all that semantics garbage.

[jmo16mla]

if anyone ever needs help, pstttt read my sig.

[absta101]

Yeah seriously!?! Thanks for catching that absta. I never said that D-:<

Jmo seems town for this.
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@Disturbed

- I think I see what you mean, however:

His latest post seems to be backtracking a bit. "Why wouldn't I want to place an OMGUS vote?" But I thought you said you didn't place an OMGUS vote?

This last part looks to "catch him out" on a contradiction you created yourself by re-crafting his sentence. The part you were referring to was him trying to say that "there is town motivation to OMGUS", hence why he doesn't believe it's a scum-tell. (?)

[absta101]

@Disturbed - Who have you played with before in this game?

[Bacde]

@absta what is your read on ICEninja and iamausername?

Also, do you now have a townread on jmo or are you still willing to lynch him as you said previously?

Lets get the lurkers to post please:

Dire_Drenz
Shamrock
RedRabbit
Nachomamma8

These are the names I don't even remember seeing ever.

[Mirhawk]

^Don't forget Dunhamganger

Nacho and Shamrock were V/LA
Hopefully they'll post in the next day or so.

Abasta, are you egging Disturbed and Jmo on? Because it looks that way from over here.

[Disturbed_One]

@ absta: I realize what I said is not verbatim what JMO said. But can you not see that there is hardly any difference? JMO said "why wouldn't a townie want to OMGUS?" (Paraphrasing). Well, his argument is obviously assuming that he himself is a townie. So really, what is the difference here? You say I re-crafted his sentence, I absolutely do not agree with this. Can you not see how this is a form of backtracking?

I have played with Nacho and Shamrock before. Everyone else is new to me.

@ Bacde:

Care to point some instances of where what you are accusing me of happens?

[Bacde]

Not obvscum. Why would he lie about that as scum?
He's obvscum if someone can prove that he thinks OMGUS is a 'good' scumtell (via meta). I'm just assuming he thinks OMGUS is a good tell.

My logic is that he got a vote on him for OMGUS, and then he tries to defend himself saying that is not OMGUS when it very much so looked like it was. I thought he was lying and town has no reason to lie about an OMGUS. You seem to be implying this is illogical. Mind elaborating?

For the record, I very much so dislike the "I was high when I posted that defense." Because there's very little way to verify that or not, as it is out-of-game information.

Here is an instance of Disturbed being convinced jmo is scum due to weak reasoning. I see jmo as being likely town. I don't really see a scum motivation for him to insist that he was indeed drunk when he voted for Disturbed. I do, however, see a scum motivation behind voting for jmo being derpy and trying to pressure him for it.

The way disturbed and jmo interacted makes me believe that one of them is scum. I see it being more likely that disturbed is the scum. Hence my vote on you, disturbed.

[Bacde]

I never said you directly said that. Even though the quoted portion basically amounts to that. Geez. Regardless of what you said, you are clearly discussing whether or not OMGUS is a scum tell.

I'm honestly getting tired of going back and forth like this. Apparently, my case isn't amazing or else the votes would be flocking to you right now. In fact, I get the sense from some people *coughAbstacough* that they think my case is either misrepresented and/or illogical.

Unvote: JMO
Vote: ICEninja

Here is where Disturbed becomes frustrated by the jmo wagon going nowhere and hopping on to the most popular wagon. He DID vote for ICEninja earlier in the game, which reduces how suspicious this move is. I am still of the opinion that this is scum motivated.

[Shamrock]

Disturbed's reasons for voting ICENinja are really bad.

Abasta, are you egging Disturbed and Jmo on? Because it looks that way from over here.

What is the point of this question?

[Alduskkel]

I am currently voting for two people. I'll fix that.

Whoops.

Also, prodded RedRabbit and Dunhamganger.