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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:58 pm

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Vote Count #4

ICEninja (4) - McStab, Dunhamganger, Mirhawk, Disturbed_One
Disturbed_One (4) - jmo16mla, iamausername, absta101, Bacde
iamausername (1) - Dire_Drenz
jmo16mla (1) - ICEninja
McStab (1) - RedRabbit

Not Voting (2) - Nachomamma8, Shamrock

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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:23 pm

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I got prodded. I still think ICE is scum. I'm not sure if I think he's more likely to be scum than Disturbed, but the participants on his wagon make me suspect that he is not. Rereading.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:44 pm

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@Shamrock
It was more of an observation in question form.

absta101 wrote:This isn't what he wrote. Can't tell if you're trying to misrep or you made a mistake.


This triggered almost a entire page of disturbed and jmo arguing. His last post felt kinda like it had the same feel to it.
I guess what I'm wondering is if he has any actual investment in the argument, or if he's just tossing bones out there to watch how Disturbed and Jmo react.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:16 pm

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Disturbed_One

Good wagon
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:42 am

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Unvote: ICEninja
Vote: Dire_Drenz


You've posted all of three lines in this game. I think someone needs to start taking some more stances on the issues. You said you'd post more, is this all you got? What are your opinions on ICE, iamusername, and JMO? Explain why the wagon on me is good.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:43 am

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absta101 wrote:
@username
- Why does it have to be in his own words?


here's how it went down:

- i do a thing
- disturbed one makes a post, does not say anything about the thing i did being scummy
- someone else says the thing i did was scummy
- disturbed one says the thing i did was scummy

- iceninja does a thing
- disturbed one makes a post, does not say anything about the thing iceninja did being scummy
- someone else says the thing he did was scummy
- disturbed one says the thing he did was scummy

basically, he seemed to just be parroting other people's arguments, so i wanted him to explain them in his own words to prove he could actually demonstrate an understanding of the opinions he claims to hold.

i don't find his responses particularly satisfying.

Disturbed_One wrote:you were all like "Let's go hunt the scum", which seems weird because it goes without saying that we should be hunting and lynching scum. It kind of read to me like "Oh look guys, I'm so town."


this summation of my first post is pretty much a total fabrication and feels like it is reciting something he's seen before in a different game as opposed to being a an actual thought that stemmed from anything i actually posted.

Disturbed_One wrote:ICEninja is scummy because he was trying to discourage the vote on himself with bad reasoning. McStab said an explanation was forthcoming, so it was obvious it was not a meaningless vote. Seemed kind of a like a nervous "Oh, he doesn't have a reason for voting me, so I'm not scummy at all."


to be fair, this one doesn't particularly feel made up after the fact, it just doesn't demonstrate any actual scummy behaviour from iceninja. there's really nothing scummy about trying to discourage a vote on oneself, regardless of how good the reasoning is, and the thought he puts into iceninja's head doesn't sound like a scum thought at all.

Disturbed_One wrote:Also his indirect support of pretty much every wagon without actually voting on the wagons is pretty scummy. It means he's okay with a mislynch, he just doesn't want to be caught on a wagon that ends up in a mislynch.


iceninja had, at the time of this post, voiced support for two (2) wagons, mine and jmo's, both of which he has, in fact, voted for.
disturbed one had voiced support for three (3) wagons, mine, iceninja's and jmo's, only two of which he has voted for.

as you might have noticed, the set of {wagons supported by iceninja} is completely contained within the set of {wagons supported by disturbed one}. so it's pretty rich for him to use this as evidence that iceninja is "okay with a mislynch".

i mean, what disturbed one is saying here is that jmo, who he has previously described as "obvscum", and who he was still voting at the time of this post, would be a mislynch. these are his words, not mine.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:56 am

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Iam:

I am aware that some of my logic has been terrible. But really, I'm just trying to figure out who the scum are. I got off the JMO wagon and ICE wagon because my place on them was quite hypocritical, I realize that now and am actually much more inclined to actually find the real scum then just focus on very, very bad leads. I guess I just didn't want to admit I was wrong. It's hard to say that you were wrong about your reads and that your logic was bad. But that is definitely the case here. I'm off the JMO wagon and I say JMO is town, ICE may still be scum but if so, I need to formulate a better case as for why he is.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:43 am

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I feel like Bacde and iam have really convincing, albeit fairly similar, cases on Disturbed. His most recent post threw me off, though. It could very well be scum desperate for some townie points, but it read fairly genuine to me.

Dunhamganger is going to be extremely suspicious if he doesn't follow through with his "rereading". It's a 5 page game and shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to read at this point.

Other lurkers need to seriously get in here.

My scum read on jmo is outdated at the moment. I'm not particularly convinced that he's more likely to be scum than not, and the sheer number of players who are inactive at the moment are really throwing off my ability to get good reads on people. I hate taking my vote off without putting it anywhere, but until the activity picks up and I figure out how I feel about Disturbed, I feel it's best to:
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:09 am

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I am actually really satisfied with my Dire_Drenz vote at the moment. He said he would post more, this is all he has? A wagon vote for the sake of wagoning? I'd like to see him pressured and start getting him to take sides.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:27 am

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Bacde wrote:@absta what is your read on ICEninja and iamausername?

Also, do you now have a townread on jmo or are you still willing to lynch him as you said previously?

Lets get the lurkers to post please:

Dire_Drenz
Shamrock
RedRabbit
Nachomamma8

These are the names I don't even remember seeing ever.

Null and null, I haven't looked at them yet. I like Iceninja's most recent post though.
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Hawk wrote:I guess what I'm wondering is if he has any actual investment in the argument, or if he's just tossing bones out there to watch how Disturbed and Jmo react.
None of this sounds scummy. Why do need the answer to this?
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:57 am

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ICEninja wrote:Dunhamganger is going to be extremely suspicious if he doesn't follow through with his "rereading". It's a 5 page game and shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to read at this point.


Implies game isn't that long at 5 pages and that my "'rereading'" is a ruse. Proceeds to wring hands over lurkers.

Yeah this guy is scum.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:59 am

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Wait, and he unvoted without re-voting in the face of a strong counterwagon.

Lynch it with extreme prejudice.

What on earth about that post do you like, absta?
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:23 am

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hey, so i just went back and saw what Dire_Drenz's first post was and honestly i didn't realize it was possible to be that contradictory in just fifteen words.

his two posts, for reference:

Dire_Drenz wrote:VOTE: iamausername

For suggesting wagon

Tired, will post more later.

Dire_Drenz wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: Disturbed_One

Good wagon


first of all, there's the lie of "will post more later". i mean, it's a lie if he's talking about posting
in this game
, that is. and that's all i'll say about that, because rules are rules. look, don't touch.

and then there's the fact that in one post i earn a vote "for suggesting wagon" and then in the other he votes for the wagon i've been championing for basically the whole game because it is a "good wagon". i mean, that's literally the exact words that i said that he voted me for. good wagon.

UNVOTE: Disturbed_One
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:29 pm

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I didn't even catch that, but you're right, that is a massive contradiction. The lie alone is worth voting him for, but you just added some serious fuel to the case.

He promised he would post more and all we got was "good wagon." He needs to be pressured.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:18 pm

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The fact that Disturbed thinkts Dire_Drenz is a good target for pressure makes me want to not pressure Dire_Drenz. Staying on Disturbed.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:37 pm

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Bacde wrote:The fact that Disturbed thinkts Dire_Drenz is a good target for pressure makes me want to not pressure Dire_Drenz. Staying on Disturbed.

probably because he wants the pressure off of him.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:46 pm

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Prodded RedRabbit.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:49 pm

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Honestly I'm being a really lazy town, apologies for not participating more.

I just haven't had anything to contribute intellectually speaking with the whole aimless discussions over jmo.

I actually forgot my reasoning behind voting iamausrname from before. I'm pretty bad at this. Vote for me if you really want to, but I am town.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:25 pm

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I got my prod(s). Sorry I haven't been posting more but my job sometimes entails me disappearing suddenly from time to time. Man, that sounds sinister. It's really not.

I've been checking in on my phone from time to time and I'll post tomorrow morning on my reads/general thoughts after I get some much needed sleep.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:53 pm

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absta101 wrote:None of this sounds scummy. Why do need the answer to this?


Never said it was scummy, just wondering if it was intentional.


@Disturbed
You realize you're accusing Drenz of doing the same thing you defended McStab for doing right? That is to say, promising to post a case then not doing it.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:25 pm

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Mirhawk wrote:I am slowly coming to the opinion that all the town players are away and the scum are arguing amongst themselves.


Wow what a gem of a scumpost.

ICEninja is still slightly worse but wooooooooow.

Disturbed_One is kind of a dunce but his attempts at scumhunting seem quite genuine in a colt-standing-up-for-the-first-time kind of way.

For instance, Disturbed, wasn't part of your initial case on jmo (involving that disputed quote) the fact that he OMGUS voted? How does your vote on Dire differ in your mind?

But yeah more ICEninja votes por favor seriously his most recent post is scum embodied.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:41 pm

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Mirhawk wrote:
absta101 wrote:None of this sounds scummy. Why do need the answer to this?


Never said it was scummy, just wondering if it was intentional.


Wait, if it's not scummy, why did you bring it up?
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:45 pm

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Dunhamganger wrote:Wow what a gem of a scumpost.


And yet I don't retract it.

Do you have any opinions on the point of the game where I made it?

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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:49 pm

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@Dunham I'm not seeing how Mirhawk is scummy.

I AM, however, seeing how Disturbed is scummy.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:07 pm

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The post of Mirhawk's that I quoted casts a wide net of suspicion without bringing up any specific points.

It also encourages the behavior of the lurking players and shucks off the responsibility of making them post content.

Ergo.

I understand why people are pressuring Disturbed, but posts like this one:

Disturbed_One wrote:I didn't even catch that, but you're right, that is a massive contradiction. The lie alone is worth voting him for, but you just added some serious fuel to the case.

He promised he would post more and all we got was "good wagon." He needs to be pressured.


Come off as so genuine and eager that I can't imagine a scum player making them.
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