The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Shmugen]

I'm not entirely sure why Thomas would be BP. He's hard to kill, sure, but magic works just as well on him as physical things.

[Konowa]

Bulletproof for greenknight might make him red scum kill proof. Think greenknight was killed by blue scum. Flavor for Shmu makes sense for blue scum kill proof.

Am I over-thinking?

[Sixty]

that does bring the question as to how the miller died I guess. Maybe he was affected by magic, contrary to shmu, if both are town?

No. This one is simple: ckd was a 2-shot Strongman, 2-shot Ninja. He killed greenknight (the BP Miller, and White Court vampires are a damn lot more resistant than humans, he can perfectly well be resistant to both) from the Night's kill flavor. So he was Strongman'd.

There are several holes in Shmu's claim:

1. He has not exactly played the role of someone who would be a likely kill target. Granted, the scum have some odd choices here so far.
   
2. If he stopped a kill last Night and it was not the redscum kill (i.e. there is another independent scum),
   where is the redscum kill
   ?
   
3. If he didn't have "any reason" in particular to think redscum have an extra member (that is, he thinks the extra kill power might be independent), why did he only talk about 3:2:+1 instead of 2:21?
   
4. MacAnally as BP doesn't really make much sense. Yes, the structure of his bar is such that magic is disrupted in there, but so far all flips have abilities that do with the character themselves. I could see Mac as a 1-shot Roleblocker or something--his brew is really that damned good and you want to enjoy it instead of doing something else--but as BP? With another flipped BP? No.

Our impression is that he didn't kill last Night to set up this claim.

Hammer down.

[Konowa]

So I was over thinking. Okay.

[Sixty]

Also, ball!

[Shmugen]

I'm never a kill target. It's vexing, along with my apparent propensity to draw BP, but it's true.

I thought 3:2:+1 instead of 2:21 because one of the kills has been protown every night it's occurred.

[pidgey]

bleh

vote: shmugen

so are you scum

[Shmugen]

No. I'm a terrible liar, Pidge, Sixty, you three know this.

[Shmugen]

So then. My most final of final thoughts is for you remaining kids to re-evaluate the plan as the game goes. Constantly remember, this is a BASTARD game. We haven't seen much bastardly elements, and now we're apparently willing to put it all on a very specific sensor result in a bastard game. It was probably just Thor recognizing a threat, but something rubs me the wrong way about Klick's claim of having a cop on his team who hit Thor and Thor calling Sixty scum. Be careful.

[pidgey]

le sad

I really have no clue who the (last?) scum remaining is.

Really want to look back at some stuff for tomorrow.
What's your pick shmugen

[Sixty]

Klick's claim of having a cop on his team

Klick flipped PowerCop. There is no way the red team involves two different Cop types to balance blue Watcher + Roleblocker.

And if you try to claim the puppy

might

be scum, we will shun your grave forever, Shmotaloo.

[Shmugen]

I have my usual paranoia of the planmakers, Vi. I don't want to believe it, thusly my pick would be Konowa or Kortul, but tell you the truth, I'd love to see a Bob flip, validate some things. We don't have the massclaim and I don't remember enough of who picked what. All I can plead is that you watch your six and double check anyone you've written off as town.

[Konowa]

For what it's worth, I can validate my Townself if necessary.

[Shamrock]

bah I should have stuck to my guns on kortul

[Sixty]

I have my usual paranoia of the planmakers, Vi. I don't want to believe it, thusly my pick would be Konowa or Kortul, but tell you the truth, I'd love to see a Bob flip, validate some things. We don't have the massclaim and I don't remember enough of who picked what. All I can plead is that you watch your six and double check anyone you've written off as town.

I'm Tierce, and it has been Tierce posts for the majority of the game. And that's a worry you don't need to have. (You've seen me post as scum, it's absolutely dismal. >.>) We're puppy, we're Town~

[Sixty]

We don't have the massclaim and I don't remember enough of who picked what

"Who picked what" what?

[Shmugen]

*who claimed what*

[Sixty]

Oh.

pidgey claimed Toot-Toot, 2-shot Amnesiac Oracle, has one action left.
flp claimed Bob, Spirit Bitch of Some Trades (half Inventor {Loverizer, Commuter}, half JoAT {Censor, Hider}).
Konowa claimed something confirmable.
jason claimed Whatever-the-Ectomancer-is-Called, 1-shot Dead Neighborizer, says ICEninja cleared ABR.
We claimed Town and :dealwithit: to the haters~

That's it of those who live...?

[Shmugen]

Gotcha. Of those, I buy Jason, don't buy ICE's clearing of ABR, FLP sounds right and probably town, but mostly because some of those are confirmable and hard to finnagle as scum powers, and I think I buy Pidgey. Pidge's identity should naturally resolve itself soon.

[Sixty]

I buy Jason, don't buy ICE's clearing of ABR

You buy jason... and don't buy the TOWN person he contacted having cleared ABR?

ICEninja was a dissociated bodyguard/cop. The only reason he failed on Klick was because Klick was

investigation-immune

. Unless you're saying that Klick had an equally investigation-immune partner in ABR (makes no sense at all), ABR can't be red scum at all.

[Shmugen]

I'm saying that this is a bastard game. Any clearing of someone's investigative ability without the flips to back it up is to be questioned.

[Konowa]

I believe this is more Bastard on the side of role-madness. Saying that, yeah.

[Sixty]

Now you're being silly. [/CES]

My impression of this game's bastardness is ckd's role, the INCREDIBLE role madness going on, and the fact that there were two scum godfathers and a miller in an 18p setup. It doesn't mean that MoI is outright lying to us, the flavor doesn't really support it.

[Shmugen]

Hm. Well. The plan should still work then. Carry on.

[Sixty]

Oh, also, in case we die Tonight:

Godfathers do not typically affect Sensor results. Klick counts as Anti-Town for the purpose of flp's wagon check.

Konowa and Shamrock are ridiculous levels of obvTown by the way they have been acting Today and before.
jason is Town. Don't drink the kool-aid, no matter how bad he is at this game thing.
ABR is Town. My point on the previous color stuff stands, and there is no way that ICEninja's result is not true.

We think pidgey, sword_of_omens and fatlikepig are Town. This leaves kortul.

Do with it what you will.

The puppy goes to bed before the Night falls, we need our rest.