Author Mafia - Game Over!

[HP Lovecraft]

Voting Log, Vol. 2 No. 4

Christopher Marlowe - 0
Thomas Pynchon - 0
Shakespeare - 1 (Thomas Pynchon)
Edgar Allan Poe - 0
James Joyce - 0
Confucius - 0
Lemony Snicket - 1 (Seuss)
Charlie Kaufman - 0
Oscar Wilde - 0
Dr. Seuss - 4 (Jane Austen, Lemony Snicket, Phelps, Gertrude Stein)
Gregory Williamson - 0
Gertrude Stein - 1 (Rucks)
Spinning Paper - 1 (Kaufman, Joyce)
Jane Austen - 2 (Paper, Mark Z Danielewski)
ee cummings - 0
EL James - 0
Fred Phelps - 0
God - 0
Mark Z. Danielewski - 0
Marion Zimmer Bradley - 2 (Shakespeare, Poie)
Rucks - 1 (EL James)

Not Voting - 7 (Marlowe, Confucius, Wilde, Williamson, cummings, God, Bradley)

With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 12/17 1PM EST

Seeking replacement for Marlowe

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Cummings are you going to actually respond to the comments I made to you, or are you going to continue to blacken my name while the Terrans laugh at you and your utter lack of a case?

As for your accusation of stalling I posted a great deal of meat for several people to respond to (you included) which I daresay is far more scumhunting than you have done so far in this game.

Something like actual reads from you might be appreciated by not just myself but many others in this circle of players. If it is too cumbersome for your writing style, then do it ooc but we need something more from you than what you have produced thus far.


Mestro Phelps with your rather volatile language, besides your constant tunneling of the rhyming Seuss, do you have any other offerings to help us sort out the Terrrans from the Darkovans? What are your thoughts on other players? Preferably in plain Casta please without the heated rhetoric.

We have a job to do here and we need all hands on deck to accomplish said task.

When I have a few moments peace from dealing with relatives and paperwork, I will compare the wagon on Seuss with the wagon on Ellis and find what patterns I may.

[Rucks]

Phelps was seein' things a little too black and white. Part of his reputation, I guess. But The Kid couldn't help but wish for nuance.

Counterwagons, like rotten fruit, Phelps had said. As though everyone not votin' for Seuss was a murderer. Lazy thoughts like that don't help no one. Which counterwagons, Phelps? Who are the ones who honestly disagree, and who are the ones who are taking risks to save their partner in crime?

And no matter how many times Kid read the Spinnin Paper, he couldn't figure out why it wanted Austin dead. It was time to explain a long time ago, snotrag.

Kid wondered if Marlowe was still around at all.

That Confucius fella did a good job of rephrasing what the Kid was getting at with Stein. Too early to call him one way or the other, but Kid had a good feelin'.

Joyce, Poe, Snickett, Kauffman continue to be good folks.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Bret Easton Ellis - 11 (James Joyce, Thomas Pynchon, David Foster Wallace, Rucks, Marion Zimmer Bradley,

Jane Austen

, Charlie Kaufman, Oscar Wilde, Gregory Williamson, Edgar Allan Poe, ee cummings) L-2


(last two being

Lemony Snicket

and Dr Seuss as the hammer)

Dr. Seuss - 4 (

Jane Austen

,

Lemony Snicket

, Phelps (who replaced Brian Jacques), Gertrude Stein)

Looking at these is making my head hurt. I will also take a look at those who are calling Seuss scum, but who have not yet laid down a vote.

2 names are on both wagons: Mestra Austen and Mestro Snicket. I am going to take a good look at their ISOs.

In rereading Mestro Snicket's ISO, I find it hard to believe he could be Terran. He is too methodical, too logical, and seems to be making a serious effort to find the Terrans in our midst. In fact, I would not be surprised that he turns out to be not only Darkovan, but also Comyn. Do you perchance have red hair there LS?


In rereading Mestra Austen's ISO a pattern emerges... She not only changes her vote quite frequently, she tries to vote and raise a finger of suspicion in the same post against 2 different people. (Trying to have your cake and eat it too?) She also slips back on Seuss on D2 after helping the Ellis wagon on D1. While she is voting for Seuss, she casts a slur on Mestro Poe which seems to be part of her pattern.


I think we may have found one of the Terran spies in our midst

VOTE: Jane Austen

[Lemony Snicket]

I do not have much to say, for speaking on a Tuesday evening while there are bad men pelting stones at your windows is generally an inadvisable task. Instead, one facing this situation should create some diversion and sneak away from their house in order to avoid being pelted themselves.

That said, I will shamelessly echo what others have said, and also repeat myself:

Spinning Paper, your tendency to not divulge your motivations makes it difficult for myself and the rest of the town to discern your alignment. Thus, if you do not do so either through a multitude of headlines or through a post out of character in your next post, I will be more unhappy than when I was when I learned the fate of Beatrice.

Poe, one of my few weaknesses is interpreting poetry. What are you trying to say in #322?

I do have an issue with Bradley's most recent post, but I will not bring it up until Austen addresses it.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

To our esteemed Hastur of Hasturs (our mod), it seems that the careful insertion of a bovine tool upon the following persons might help (the ol cattle prod).

Mestra James
Mestra Stein
God
Mestro Marlowe
Mestro Seuss the aforementioned easy target
Mestro Kauffman
and Mestro Pynchon.

One thing my Keeper has said many times is that every person in the circle, no matter what job they do be it Keeper down to Monitor like humble self, is less important than another. To unravel everything and find those Terran spies in our midst, we need everyone working together here.

(ooc) it is pretty bad when I who am dealing with all the final stuff to sort things out and so on and am out of town have posted more than some of the players here. I want to see more activity ladies and gentlemen since lack of it only benefits scum.

[Thomas Pynchon]

oh oh sea,
don't prod me.

[Charlie Kaufman]

CHARLIE KAUFMAN

I have nothing else to say, Ms. Bradley, because my points against the Spinning Paper still stand and I see no reason to move my vote. He has not pleased me with his responses.

[Spinning Paper]

Spinning Paper, your tendency to not divulge your motivations makes it difficult for myself and the rest of the town to discern your alignment. Thus, if you do not do so either through a multitude of headlines or through a post out of character in your next post, I will be more unhappy than when I was when I learned the fate of Beatrice.

Cold War escalates.

[Thomas Pynchon]

Poe,

yesterday you were

with

ee, and today with Seuss. We all want to relax and tell tall tales to girls we want to screw, but it's time for you to explain those reads. And

Mark Z

you looked back on Jaques, and saw him as an asshole trying to show his work. Can you look back, more precisely, and say where? I think Rucks makes a good point about Stein, but we'll see what comes of Confucius' look into her.

Losing faith is a complicated business and takes time. There are no epiphanies, no "moments of truth," but, I won't be voting for MZB today. There's an accumulation of small accidents: wagons, reads and an nk, that have brought me to doubt.

The Spinning Paper, a manifestation of Dnubietna's view of history, that it's a "step function." No continuity. I will burn any paper that does not make itself readable.

Nonetheless, lynching Shakespeare would make be happier.

I doubt that Seuss is a Terran since the hammer was far too easy to be picked up and scrutinized and I can't see scum doing that.

I have seen it and I can see it.

ooc: MZB, could you post your case on Austen, with quotes or post references? Evaluating it in it's current form is too annoying.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

ooc

I will do what I can. Things will be easier in early December when I am not out of town going through my father's things, and on a so so net connection. (piggyback of a neighbor's unsecured wifi).

[James Joyce]

Spinning Paper, your tendency to not divulge your motivations makes it difficult for myself and the rest of the town to discern your alignment. Thus, if you do not do so either through a multitude of headlines or through a post out of character in your next post, I will be more unhappy than when I was when I learned the fate of Beatrice.

Cold War escalates.

Matches. I need matches.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Pynchon

Here you will see Mestro Evan doing pretty much the same thing as Mestro Seuss. (He then later replaced out to be replaced in by the esteemed Comyn Thor)...

Newbie 1227

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4000220 In Post 419, he slams the hammer on poor Mestro Thomith (granted many thought he was a Terran spy, but look at how the hammer happened.) The players later assumed he was town though, and of course when he was replaced by Comyn Thor, he completely exonerated the spot AND won the game for town, by tracking down the real Terran spy that was left.

[Gertrude Stein]

Monitor like humble self,

Is this a claim of watcher/tracker/something-else?

Also, your quote-same-post seems to indicate that each of us is lesser than the others. You phrase things in an odd manner, and I suspect you are doing so to hide your true motives.

unvote

Vote: Marion Zipper Bradford

With grammar.

[Mark Z Danielewski]

@mod: My vote should be on Jane Austen, not on MZB.

The above (Gertrude Stein) is also scum. That is the sloppiest hop on a wagon I've seen in a long time.

You phrase things in an odd manner, and I suspect you are doing so to hide your true motives.

Vaguety vague scum whining.

Everyone is posting in a flavorful form, there are a LOT of players posting in barely intelligible squiggles, and Stein has an issue with MZB in particular, without asking for exact clarification? Complete bullshit.

Pynchon--read through Brian Jacques's posts, then gather a random handful of other players in the game and compare tone. It's a lot of fake 'effort' to look like he's doing something and blending in. It's not natural, it's very forced writing. I'm not going to take you through it instance by instance, I want you to analyze the posts and see what conclusions you gather.

Would also like to note that Fred Phelps's over-the-top cheesy yelling can be reduced to "not scumhunting!" and "hammered Town" in regards to Seuss. That's so pathetic.

• Jane Austen, Fred Phelps, Gertrude Stein--they are all
  
  • Pynchon is
    
    • James Joyce, Spinning Paper and MZB are

scum.
Town.
probably Town as well.

[Mark Z Danielewski]

Dr. Seuss - 4 (

Jane Austen

, Lemony Snicket,

Fred Phelps

,

Gertrude Stein

)

How lovely. I just gained another solid Townread.

[Rucks]

Now here's something to see. Miss Stein's steppin right past my question, and Confucius restating it besides.

She does this to switch her vote to the growin' Zimmer Bradley wagon. But she asks,in the same post, if she's claiming tracker or watcher.

If you think she's crumbing tracker or watcher, the last thing you do is make it clear for everyone to see, then vote for her to be executed without waiting for answer.

And her reason for the switch? "You phrase things in an odd matter?" That's the pot calling the polar bear black and no mistake. But it let you switch to a "suspect" that wasn't caught in the strange tangle of Seuss and Phelps.

It was time to bring the attack to Stein. Kid drew his machete. The sharp one. The grammar.

[Spinning Paper]

Danielewski wins Nobel Prize for Literature.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestra Stein is that perchance you dangling bait for some fish to latch onto? Or are you showing ignorance of Darkovan culture? hmmm.

When one goes to train in the Towers the very first Oath that is taken is the Monitor's Oath. And often the first role you are trained FOR is a Monitor. Some, like me have their Laran more suited to remain a monitor. Though I also have had some training as a matrix mechanic, being a monitor is my strongest suit. I am just outside the circle and maintain their health and well being while they accomplish the Circle's tasks. The Keeper of course is the one in charge of the Circle. I hope that clears things up more, since you seem a tad ignorant of Darkovan culture.

I should be back at my Tower on Sunday. By then my sire's things will be dealt with and then it is waiting for the trip to Hali to bury him in an unmarked grave as all the Comyn are.

(ooc I would recommend reading MZB's Darkover series and you would understand my character references more
Some basics though.

The Towers are where those with significant enough Laran (Gifts) are trained to do much of the work such as healing, mining, and other things that are too difficult to do any other ways. Darkover is considered "barbarian" by the Terrans because they have little metals and industrialization. A matrix is a jewel that those with Laran can use to focus their gifts more intensely and in addition to the personal stones, there are large lattices with multiple stones that require a circle of workers to use. These workers are unified together under a Keeper while a Monitor keeps everyone from harm such as relieving pain that might interfere with their concentration or if their breathing becomes irregular fixing that and so on).

[Lemony Snicket]

Spinning Paper, your tendency to not divulge your motivations makes it difficult for myself and the rest of the town to discern your alignment. Thus, if you do not do so either through a multitude of headlines or through a post out of character in your next post, I will be more unhappy than when I was when I learned the fate of Beatrice.

Cold War escalates.

Did you refuse my request out of laziness, or because you are unable to fabricate something that will not make you look like a criminal?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Spinning Paper

My inquiry still stands. If you will excuse me, I have a meeting under an old stone clock tower with a man with a beard but no hair who I have been trying to meet for quite some time.

[Mark Z Danielewski]

For pity's sake.

It's clear that Spinning Paper has no intentions of posting longer than that.

Your attempt at trying to push it as scummy behavior is rather silly, as you should be familiar with several players--flavor alts ^{or not}--who prefer extreme conciseness. Learn to read between the words on what he's saying.

What do you think of 
Jane Austen
, Snicke
t? Of 
Fred Phelps
? Of 
Gertrude Stein
? Yo
u have never mentioned the latter by nam
e, Phelps you have barely mentioned, and
your Austen read seems to have been lost
in history now. What are your current th
oughts on all three of them?

[Jane Austen]

In rereading Mestra Austen's ISO a pattern emerges... She not only changes her vote quite frequently, she tries to vote and raise a finger of suspicion in the same post against 2 different people. (Trying to have your cake and eat it too?) She also slips back on Seuss on D2 after helping the Ellis wagon on D1. While she is voting for Seuss, she casts a slur on Mestro Poe which seems to be part of her pattern.

So may I ask why you think I'm scum? You have said a lot of information, but the lack of analysis makes it difficult to see what the problem is; why is having two scum suspects suspicious?

A final note: What lead you to choose to look to see who was on both the Dr Seuss wagon and the Ellis wagon?

I hope you answer all three of my questions with swiftest alacrity.

[EL James]

OOC: Sorry guys. I forgot about this game. Will have something up by tomorrow's end.

[Lord God]

Sorry, busy this week making another universe. Thinking I should make them self-creating from now on. Maybe a big bang and there's a universe...

I saw Pynchon respond in 289. I'll have to go back and check your interpretations of the posts, but good to hear a response.

@Phelps- A vote. How novel. Feel free to not use my name in anything you say.
Your main case against Suess was his hammer of Ellis, and you claiming he's not scumhunting. Since the hammer is meaningless, your lack of additional suspects or additional reasoning is troublesome. If Suess is scum, who is in on it with him, and why?

@Spinning Paper- What are your thoughts on Suess? Hammer and all, but more the all. And headlines are less useful without the story beneath.

Bradley, you have said you were gone, but Ellis wagon thoughts would be good.

Cummings- Bradley, Ellis enough to kill him, now Bradley again today. Avoiding capital letters, explain your other suspects

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Mestro Confucius makes a very valid point there Mestro Poe... Like me you have commented on the suspicious nature of the wagon on easy target Mestro Seuss. I have on numerous occasions seen such derpy type hammers and they have turned out to be fellow Darkovans and were strung up as Terrans. I remember one time when we did not string up the fellow and his replacement the esteemed Thor with his lightning wit, was able to unravel the pieces and find the scum who was so cleverly hiding.

So why are you voting and laying suspicions on others instead of exploring the people ON the easy street wagon? And maybe just maybe comparing them with those on the wagon on Ellis? Perchance where the two meet mayhap lie scum?

This bolded above is the Reason for looking at both wagons.


Analysis of Mestro Austen's ISO :

Pardons for the length to the rest of the players.

Miss Austen was about to venture something about how the rest of the posters weren't moving the game along;

Vote: David Mamet

(switches from early RVS to hime because he was not speaking (though there were others as well so why particularly him?)

If not for the scummy nature of Mr. Mamet, I would find myself voting Dr. Seuss; sadly I have only one vote and it is promised to another. With Dr Seuss, I am afraid we have a scum hiding waiting for an opportunity; where he will rush up only to hide again, and wait for the next opportunity. I know this this, yet I am made unhappy, and I have good reason to be: I can not exercise my suspicion of Seuss without leaving Mamet with just the tendrils of suspicion, and none of my fellows are willing to make the first leap onto Seuss; though that would be the gallant thing to do.

The alacrity in which that paragraph had been been written lead to the missing of two major reasons to calm my soul; the two great heroes who have voted Seuss. While others focus on distractions that shall lead to nothing; that

can't

lead to anything. Although I still

FOS: Mamet

I can with comfort

Vote: Seuss

Switches over to Seuss (as things move to make him seem suspicious to several others, BUT does a FoS at Mamet, this is something I have often seen Terrans do to keep a foot in both camps so to speak.)

I concur with the views that we must have more activity, and I agree with Mr Wilde's vote for Dr. Seuss, but we must remember that Seuss is not simply the chosen lurker. Votes must not go his way only because he does not post! Those posts that he has made are scumminess in their purest form, and that is why we must vote him; I consider the repetition of these messages my strongest duty. I only hope those posters who have not posted in a while shall read my words again when in a more agreeable mood, and sharply change their votes.

Now alternates between blacking the name of Mestro Seuss while commenting he is not the only lurker which was her reason for voting for him in the first place! Seems like giving herself an out if things go bad so she can say oh it was just a pressure vote to get him to stop lurking.

Joyce is perhaps right, but when lurking is so commonplace surely lurking out of sight is better disguised - less likely to get a person in trouble?

For surely Joyce cannot believe that his threesome has posted less useful information than those who have not posted at all! As such I consider being in love with one's own voice, rather than scumhunting a null tell; it is a failing on the player's part.

P-Edit: If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I would find more than one post of his scummy.

WTF??? Do you have some special power that can tell if someone will post a scummy post in the future all based on ONE post which is all that Seuss had posted thus far? My experiences tell me generally town are still weeding through things after only one post,. scum however knows who is town and who is not...Also compare this view of Mestro Joyce with him later.

I...

I am quite taken aback by the unmasked wickedness of your post; I expected to mock your post as one born from selfishness, ego and sexism, but I am afraid I cannot no longer give you that benefit of the doubt.

Vote: Edgar Allen Poe

I ask any player to look at Poe's second quote and then look at in context; you shall see surely that he has quite reversed the meaning. His first paraphrasing is quite the same, surely if I was a horse meat distributor I would hope that you were an eldest son in line for a baronet for, in that case, upon someone remarking that it was "raining cats and dogs" I would be sure to make a great windfall. I do not consider you sincere.

A tad OMGUS here? Voting for him because he pointed a finger at you? What happened to your staunch knowing that Seuss is scum based on one post? Seems a bit jumpy and defensive.

I find Joyce a most understandable, and enjoyable read. I do need to bring it to your attention, I do it only because I care and I expect no thanks, I only wish to have been able to do it sooner, we only have three days to lynch somebody; I shall make an urge for Bradley for she has done nothing to make me consider her to be town.

Vote: Bradley

What? He went from someone in love with his own voice to someone who is an enjoyable read? What is with all the flip flopping? Do you have any specific reads that are not based on who is in the hot seat at that moment? You then use his pleasing words to justify casting a vote on me right at the time when a wagon was forming on me hmmm... You add pressure with oh no we only have 3 days.

Those on Ellis are of better character, and Ellis is more scummy; it seems utterly reasonable that I should vote Ellis. Still it makes me blush, to have been give a fifty-fifty chance of picking a wagon then picking the wrong one is mortifying. I must ignore that and

Unvote, Vote: Ellis

Now you go onto Ellis while ignoring your wishy washy feeling about another (unspecified) wagon. Were you aware he was town but just going along to end the day to talk to your scum buds? While giving yourself an out about oops I guess I picked the wrong wagon?

Can people argue over whether Seuss is here; that he is hiding, and waiting? The so honorable

Poe is still definitely scum, though I'm not voting him, because my suspicions of Seuss have been vindicated; I feel they have been at least.

Vote: Seuss

(Headbang time.) Seuss is scum and Poe is Scum and not voting for Poe even though he is scum because Seuss is scum? Could you please explain this? Personally I doubt very much if both are scum together. It does not fit logically with their posting patterns and what they are saying about each other.

I do hope Mestro Austen this helps with understanding my position and analysis of your ISO.


PS that comment about my Keeper is just a way of saying that no matter what your birth or gender once you enter the Tower everyone is considered equal and judged solely on their personal actions not who their family is or the fact they are female or male. The Hastur of Hasturs would have to still work and learn to use his gifts to the best of his ability just as much as the festival got child of a Comyn and his Barrigana. Or the daughter of a Free Amazon or even a child of pure common blood. What matters is their Laran and their conduct in the Tower and they are all considered of the same level of importance in the Circle.