Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Nachomamma8]

fe
don't do this to me buddy
why is fizz the only person on your reads list with reasoning?

[Nachomamma8]

man these fingers are so impatient
and they appreciate the deadline extension and don't want to waste a good gift, but MY GOD will I hammer you so fast if you ignore me

[Majiffy]

Lol @ Fe taking me from top of the town list to the bottom of the possibly scum list without a single reason.

Also, hi Nacho. I didn't know you were in this game. You should probably change that.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

SCUM?

the Director
unctrion

Majiffy

Anyone that wants to hammer can do so now, Fe claimed scum.

[Fe]

1. A couple of my earlier posts had reasoning
2. Borkjein => More just a gut than anything else, generally his posts do seam to have come from a town mindset, see #336, his wilingness to throw suspicion at Majiffy when at the time no-one else had to mean makes him at least for the time being townie,
(posting before hammer)

[RachMarie]

Fizz and Malakittens have been prodded replacements upcoming and will give you all another 4 days extension




New deadline is (expired on 2012-12-05 16:09:23)

Please welcome Nacho who will be replacing Breakfast, and Maenara who will be replacing Number Six.

Just to make sure it is clear --Rach

[Fe]

(Also I should probably point out that my reads whre done in groups, the position of someone in that group is null)
But I don't like how you are just taking control of the town under the automatic assumtion that 1. You are 100% town, 2. You are 100% right. Its bugging me.
Penguin posts are few and far between, he looks like he certainly cares about the state of the game. He generally puts a lot more into his posts than I do at anyrate.
NS just seams town, I dont know why just accept it.

[Fe]

KMD his refusal to jump onto a bandwagon which in my opion has little or no backing/ sense to it, strikes me as town. His willingness to not follow the crowd and not care what others think is to me a very town way of playing. Why would scum want to draw attention away from themselves in such a way. I mean Majiffy does it but when he does something you know about it , where as KMD just quitley gets a long with himself. Do not lynch him, give him cookies instead.

Number Six, well so much to say about this slot, nothing that hasn't already been said.

theDirector, like a terrrible magician he appears then disappears, out of all those on my wagon he seams the most scummy after fizz.

[Nachomamma8]

Lol @ Fe taking me from top of the town list to the bottom of the possibly scum list without a single reason.

Also, hi Nacho. I didn't know you were in this game. You should probably change that.

yeah, my bad, been lurking pretty hard

Fe is town, don't lynch him, the lynch is terrible.
Majiffy is probably town, Fizz is a ? but I will vote him to save Fe
but it shouldn't come to that since we have 5 days
Fe, who should I vote?

[Majiffy]

Fe is town, don't lynch him, the lynch is terrible.

So is Fe. I mean, shit, if you don't see him as scum, at least see him as a complete imbecile who will only serve to hinder town and be a liability.

Seriously, go through my ISO and look at all the quotes I've pulled that are just

BAD

.

Furthermore;

But I don't like how you are just taking control of the town under the automatic assumtion that 1. You are 100% town, 2. You are 100% right. Its bugging me.

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

You can't possibly backpedal any harder than you're currently doing.

[Majiffy]

Also why the fuck wouldn't I act from the assumption that I'm 100% town? Seems kind of a stupid thing not to do, eh? Given that I know my own role? Eh? Eh?!

Fucking retard.

[Malakittens]

Meh.

[Fe]

unctiron00 nothing much to be said really, comes off alright it was a pure gut thing to be fair. (#388 seams town but then his reasoning in #318 is terrible)
Breakfast, just nothing. Generally Nothing.
UNVOTE: N6
P-EDIT:
@Majiffy, yes we all know our own roles and we all are town. I was thinking about the game during a lab session and I realised that I really should go back and look into you further. Why? Well considering the large amount of influence you seam to have over the town, it is only right that you should be scrutinied, after all if you are scum, then thats not going to look too good for the town. So I was re-reading and just play style for example in #146 it appears that rather than making a halfway decent case (you literally just pointed out he missed some questions) the majority of the post was

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Seriously, if you aren't Aether, you post after this, and you aren't voting Aether, you're fucking scumclaiming.

Here to me it looks like you are bascially forcing players to choose, restricting the options, which acording to one of your posts (#368). I mean there are far to many times that you have used this tactic, I know i tried to defend it but looking back, man it is so bad... Why would scum do it, to make town think that is only one option (the other is phrased in such a way that on one would admit to it).

@Nacho, I dont know to be fair I want to say Fizz just out of self-preservation and his disappearance (and is avatar) is very fishy, I would like more from him but he is currently under quite a lot of pressure. Looking at the other players, the Director certainly seams like a good lynch to me, (Pp-edit Case coming, wanted to respond to Majiffy)

[Majiffy]

It wasn't just "missing" some questions, he was intentionally dodging it post after post after post.

And Jesus now you're doing the same little dance. How many morons can one game have?

[Nachomamma8]

So is Fe. I mean, shit, if you don't see him as scum, at least see him as a complete imbecile who will only serve to hinder town and be a liability.

I don't consider him to be a liability. I can read him just fine, he's making an effort to contribute, and there are far better lynches for today.
Plus I don't play the "lynch someone you think is town" game in order to make the game easier because that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

Fe, Fizz also hasn't posted anywhere else. Do you think that he is refusing to post in all of his games specifically to avoid this one?

[Majiffy]

Making an effort? He makes a gigantic IIOA post that says diddly squat, then the few claims he did make he backed off of because people were calling out the shitty reasons behind them, then he said "well jeez those were just my notes guys don't take anything I post seriously erhmahgerd" and now he's calling me town and scum on the same page for the same reason.

[Majiffy]

Needs. To Be Killed. With A Gigantic Fire.

[Nachomamma8]

Making an effort? He makes a gigantic IIOA post that says diddly squat, then the few claims he did make he backed off of because people were calling out the shitty reasons behind them, then he said "well jeez those were just my notes guys don't take anything I post seriously erhmahgerd" and now he's calling me town and scum on the same page for the same reason.

The IIoA post reeks of "well I don't really know what to do but I'm going to try to do something anyways", and the notes thing reeks of pride being hurt. It's a natural reaction.

[Majiffy]

You do realize that both of those things sound more like newb/playstyle/personality rather than alignment, right?

[Nachomamma8]

You do realize that both of those things sound more like newb/playstyle/personality rather than alignment, right?

you're completely incorrect
which is fine because you're trapped in your tunnel, but do keep these lessons in mind for later

[Majiffy]

The IIoA post reeks of "well I don't really know what to do but I'm going to try to do something anyways", and the notes thing reeks of pride being hurt. It's a natural reaction.

Scum : I really don't know how to look like I'm scumhunting
Result : IIOA

Town : I really don't know how to scumhunt
Result : IIOA

Scum : They're calling faults in my weak reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!

Town : They're making fun of my terribad reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!


Fuck off, Nacho.

[Nachomamma8]

Scum : I really don't know how to look like I'm scumhunting
Result : IIOA

Not often. Usually, it's more of mild suspicion thrown onto the next biggest wagon with no reasoning given, and plenty of lurking.
Source: Suzaku & EagleAquila

Town : I really don't know how to scumhunt
Result : IIOA

Mhm. Aether

Scum : They're calling faults in my weak reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!

Town : They're making fun of my terribad reads!
Result : They're just notes guys! Don't take them seriously!

this one is pretty accurate, yeah
so it doesn't really make him scum, which was what I thought you were trying to argue here

[Kmd4390]

Nacho, I think you've already noticed this but I'm gonna throw it out there. Fizz was pretty scummy before he stopped posting.

Majiffy, fe didn't say not to take anything he says seriously. He said that not everything in his notes was all completely serious and the one thing in there was a joke.

If we can make a fizz lynch happen, i'd love that. But as I've said, I'll vote fe to avoid a no lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

We have 5 days to make something happen, so we shouldn't have to worry about voting to avoid a no lynch quite yet.
Is Fizz your strongest scumsuspect?

[borkjerfkin]

I think lynching immediately when we've got two spots that have just been replaced is ill advised. That being said, I'm probably willing to follow the flowchart today, Majiffy. This doesn't look like 454 Majiffy. This looks like town a-hole Majiffy that I'm much more comfortable with.

Nacho replaced into a slot I don't like so I'm taking him with a grain of salt so far.

Fizz is siteflake so I'm actually guessing that wagon's gonna die due to lack of an ability to claim.

Only other thing I have to say is that Kmd's undermining my (admittedly weak) townread on Uct seems more made to set me off balance or remove an obstacle to a uct lynch than to really serve any other purpose.

p-edit: @Nacho: taking a single example/counterexample from not even the same player to prove that point? No dude.