Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho: taking a single example/counterexample from not even the same player to prove that point? No dude.

*sigh*

[borkjerfkin]

Seriously what am I supposed to be looking at? How one person that isn't Fe played scum in one instance?

[Kmd4390]

That's why I haven't voted fe yet. And yes fizz is my strongest scum read.

Bork, not being able to claim isn't a town tell. And he actually has only been gone for like six days, some of which was his V/LA.

[borkjerfkin]

Yes but I don't want to lynch a PR that can't say that they're a PR.

[Nachomamma8]

Seriously what am I supposed to be looking at? How one person that isn't Fe played scum in one instance?

We were talking about newbie playstyles in general, not Fe's meta.

[borkjerfkin]

And I think you're deliberately taking an unacceptable sample size in order to prove whatever point you want.

[Nachomamma8]

And I think you're deliberately taking an unacceptable sample size in order to prove whatever point you want.

I'm grabbing two things that I remember from recent newbie games that formed my thoughts specifically. No, I do not feel like combing through more of my games for more of a sample size because that would be a useless waste of my time. The little I did provide was a challenge to Majiffy to produce an equal amount of examples to see that he actually has something behind what he's talking about.

[pirate mollie]

game just got really good.

[Kmd4390]

Bork, he's not a PR. He's scum.

[pirate mollie]

Bork, he's not a PR. He's scum.

who are you talking about here. borky's vote is already on fizz but you are willing to hammer fe so does that mean you actually think he is scum or did you just want sure to make that town got a lynch for info cos I am kind of confused.

[borkjerfkin]

He's talking about Fizz not being a PR. But if people were always so sure about these things then no one would ask anyone to claim to avoid lynching PRs.

I dunno Kmd is rubbing me wrong again.

[Majiffy]

Source: Suzaku & EagleAquila

Real big sample size with your 7 or 8 posts there. Yeah, that's really convincing.

Mhm. Aether

And I continue

this one is pretty accurate, yeah
so it doesn't really make him scum, which was what I thought you were trying to argue here

No he's scum for the scummy things he's said. Look at my ISO please, I point out plenty of quotes. Thanks for playing!

This doesn't look like 454 Majiffy. This looks like town a-hole Majiffy that I'm much more comfortable with.

For the purposes of refining my asshole nature, please explain to me the difference.

The little I did provide was a challenge to Majiffy to produce an equal amount of examples to see that he actually has something behind what he's talking about.

Search for 8 posts from idiots who can't play properly? Yeah, no, I have better things to do with my time. You've played this game plenty of times to know you're setting up a bullshit argument here that isn't going to help anyone in the end.

I dunno Kmd is rubbing me wrong again.

Probably because he's scum.

[Kmd4390]

Mollie, that was about fizz. I think fizz is scum. I think fe is town. A day 1 no lynch is so harmful to town that i'd rather lynch a town read that I could be wrong on than no lynch. Basically, a no lynch is a 0% chance that scum dies and they get a free kill. And in a game where the PRs are JK and doc, night information isn't nearly valuable enough to say it's worth trading a dead town player (unless a kill is stopped in which case day 2 is just a replay of day 1 with slightly more info that only one player has). If we lynch one of my town reads, he still has a chance to be scum so it beats the 0% on a no lynch. So yeah i'd lynch just about anybody over a no lynch, especially when it's someone who will probably be lynched later anyway and we already know he isn't a PR. That being said, I still would much rather lynch fizz who I think will flip scum.

Majiffy, nuh-uh.

[Majiffy]

Ya-huh!

[Nachomamma8]

Real big sample size with your 7 or 8 posts there. Yeah, that's really convincing.

Excellent, glad you saw the terse style and suspicion shifting that is oh-so-common in newbies these days. I'm especially glad that you didn't dismiss my argument based on a trivial piece of information.

And I continue

Especially post #108, which had a town person doing the very thing you were calling scummy! And, if you dare to read around that specific post (which I know you did because you are a champion who is pursuing the truth and getting scum lynched), you'd notice a discussion I had with the newbies on why IIoA is not necessarily a scumtell for newbies. And it makes sense! IIoA is generally a scum tool used by people who are a little more experienced in the game; it's hard to make up purposefully useless information if you don't know what is useful, and there's not really a good reason for putting effort into bullshit when you could make something a bit more useful-looking.

No he's scum for the scummy things he's said. Look at my ISO please, I point out plenty of quotes. Thanks for playing!

Now now, making me look at your ISO when you won't even consider anything I post is a little inconsiderate. You could give me reasons again. Hell, you could even quote specific things from your own ISO! Wouldn't that be a sight to see...

Search for 8 posts from idiots who can't play properly? Yeah, no, I have better things to do with my time. You've played this game plenty of times to know you're setting up a bullshit argument here that isn't going to help anyone in the end.

Better things to do with your time, like not back up your arguments with any sort of footwork and instead spend good time creating more bullshit ones? Ah.

[Majiffy]

You're a fucking idiot Nacho.

[Majiffy]

(I should probably point out my "town-points" i gave to number six weren't real, I cant see any reason whats so ever why that would have any indication of alignment)

Here's Fe backing off his questionable town read after being scrutinized on it.

Secondly those were my notes, why do I have to be serious.

Here's Fe saying his notes aren't to be taken seriously. Or that he doesn't need to be serious in his notes. Either way, same conclusion.

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

SCUM?

the Director
unctrion

Majiffy

Here's where Fe flip-flops on his read of me ON THE SAME PAGE.

But I don't like how you are just taking control of the town under the automatic assumtion that 1. You are 100% town, 2. You are 100% right. Its bugging me.

Majiffy: Definate leader,

seems almost certainly town

, constant pressure makes it seem like

And here's him using the same reason to support his argument for both reads.

Now Nacho, go kindly find a new game to play, because you're really fucking bad at this one.

[RachMarie]

Please keep it reasonably civil peeps. Attack the play style not the player.

[Nachomamma8]

Thanks 'jiffy. You have my hammer as soon as my replacement catches up. But if anyone hammers before then I will be pretty sad and angry and vengeful.

[Kmd4390]

I have to admit the majiffy-read-flip is a good point.

Whatever. We could do worse than a fe lynch.

[Majiffy]

God it's like pulling teeth to lynch scum around here.

[Nachomamma8]

You've clearly never pulled teeth before.

[Kmd4390]

God it's like pulling teeth to lynch scum around here.

You're telling me...

[Majiffy]

You've clearly never pulled teeth before.

Well, no... I'm a recording engineer, not a dental surgeon.

[Fe]

@Majiffy. Firstly what I was meaning is that when I make notes they are generally serious but occasionally they contain non serious points, I ashumed that tjhey would be obvious that they weren't serious and people would ignore them. However you seam to be making far big a deal out of it that it really should.

Secondly my first post was just a gut post. My next one was after I had time to re read through and make decent opinions. The fact I used the same reason just means I realised that you are actually quite scummy.