Author Mafia - Game Over!

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

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Mestro God I will take another look at some of the other players that were on Mestro Ellis's wagon, however I was first looking for patterns between the two wagons.

I am more LA than V. I have a so so net connection at my sire's place as I sort through his things and deal with monetary and legal issues resulting from his untimely and unfortunate demise. Hence the reason for the ribbon on my name for the nonce. I will be back in my Tower sometime on Sunday with better net and hopefully in a better state for thinking about this game and others I am in or modding.

I will say that though I responded a tad hastily to you early on, in looking at the patterns I feel you are most likely Darkovan and not Terran.

[Jane Austen]

A Miss Bradley was in a merry mood, and stood up straight and yelled.
"First Miss Austen votes Mamet, saying that it's a 'premature bandwagon vote', but Mamet wasn't the only lurker so why him?
"Then she gave a finger; a finger, ladies and gentleman, of suspicion!
"What else does she do with Seuss but claims that his posts were 'scumminess in their purest form', she was giving herself an out if things go bad!
"As we all know everyone who posts will eventually post something scummy; that's human nature, but what witchcraft is Austen using to tell that Seuss is human!

I

think Seuss is the man on the moon!
"Then she changed her vote!
"Then after claiming that Rucks, Jacques & Cummings were in love with the sound of their own voice, she claims that Joyce is an easy read! Why the inconsistency, ladies and gentleman?
"Then she changed her vote!
"Finally, she then chooses between her two scum suspects when voting, rather than voting both. I rest my case ladies, and gentlemen."
Miss Bradley then collapsed, but fortunately landed safely with her own mess helping her fall.

Miss Austen does volunteer some comment on the last point, "Poe is protecting Seuss, and only gives the reasoning that he has not posted enough, but Poe called Poquelin one of the three scummiest players in post 172, and Poquelin had posted less than Seuss; Poe became inconsistent in his rush to protect Seuss. Poe's actions suggest

very

strongly that he is scum with Seuss."

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

I will grant that last point about Poe and can see how you could link him and Seuss, and I of course do not expect you to agree with my analysis, however do you have anything to point to show the villainy of Seuss besides the hammer of Mestro Ellis and the fact he has lurked much in a game full of uber lurking players? I have no clue how many Terran spies we have in our midst since this is not a newbie or open game, but it seems to me highly unlikely that they would throw away one of their members by quick hammering, knowing that there would be a great deal of scrutiny upon the personage of said quick hammer, if the person turned out to be town. (and of course the scum would know that Ellis was town before the flip.)

So far the most fervent players screaming for rope around Mestro Seuss are people I am a tad suspicious of. Plus no one has given me a satisfactory explanation as to why the Terrans would be so quick to sacrifice one of their own with so little gain? He is clearly an experienced player since this is not a newbie game. He would have known that hammering like that would lead to him being scrutinized and he would have known that Ellis was town.

Which is why I am not convinced by the fervent pleas to lynch him at this time. I need more.

[Jane Austen]

Seuss's response to the Bugle wagon was scum trying to opportunistically ready himself to get on a wagon, while not wanting to end up trapped on it if it went nowhere; it is his reaction to that wagon that lead to my voting him. I also think that with deadline coming up as it did, then the hammer can't really be called a quickhammer; if Seuss hadn't tried to be smug with the reference to Ellis' towniness, then people wouldn't have looked at it as they did.

[HP Lovecraft]

Voting Log, Vol. 2 No. 5

Christopher Marlowe - 0
Thomas Pynchon - 0
Shakespeare - 1 (Thomas Pynchon)
Edgar Allan Poe - 0
James Joyce - 0
Confucius - 0
Lemony Snicket - 1 (Seuss)
Charlie Kaufman - 0
Oscar Wilde - 0
Dr. Seuss - 2 (Jane Austen, Phelps)
Gregory Williamson - 0
Gertrude Stein - 1 (Rucks)
Spinning Paper - 3 (Kaufman, Joyce, Snicket)
Jane Austen - 3 (Paper, Mark Z Danielewski, Bradley)
ee cummings - 0
EL James - 0
Fred Phelps - 0
God - 0
Mark Z. Danielewski - 0
Marion Zimmer Bradley - 3 (Shakespeare, Poe, Stein)
Rucks - 1 (EL James)

Not Voting - 6 (Marlowe, Confucius, Wilde, Williamson, cummings, God)

With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 12/17 1PM EST

[Dr Seuss]

I am around; had a busy week.
In the next few days I'll grant the post you seek.
But first, something NEEDS to be addressed.

Seuss's response to the Bugle wagon was scum trying to opportunistically ready himself to get on a wagon, while not wanting to end up trapped on it if it went nowhere; it is his reaction to that wagon that lead to my voting him.

And yet you fail to recognize that TWO PEOPLE HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME. I even questioned one of them directly about this VERY thing.

I also think that with deadline coming up as it did, then the hammer can't really be called a quickhammer; if Seuss hadn't tried to be smug with the reference to Ellis' towniness, then people wouldn't have looked at it as they did.

So your vote is because of
Me making fun of Bugle for going after lurkers ON PAGE 2 but not voting him;
And me saying 'Ellis is likely town but fuck it' and other people interpreting it more harshly than they could have.


Masterful work there. You basically just admitted that you're making this stuff up as you go along. Much like your literary works, I would imagine.

Vote: Jane Austen

[Dr Seuss]

AND AND AND AND AND

I simulposted with Rucks, so there was really only ONE VOTE on Bugle at the time. How can I "react to that wagon"

WHEN THERE WASN'T EVEN A FUCKING WAGON ON BUGLE?

Nope. Scum. Full of shit. Hasn't even bothered to come up with a real reason I could plausibly be scum.

Vote Jane Austen.

[Spinning Paper]

@Spinning Paper- What are your thoughts on Suess? Hammer and all, but more the all. And headlines are less useful without the story beneath.

Tow Jones up 2 points.

[Jane Austen]

Seuss, I misremembered the exact order of posts made over two months ago; if that makes me scum then that is your prerogative. You are scum because of your reaction to the Bugle post; finding it scummy enough to comment upon, but not scummy enough to move your random vote; you were scum trying to opportunistically ready himself to get on a wagon, while not wanting to end up trapped on it if it went nowhere. Frankly, I though my thinking was a little muddled when I made post 378 - for how can an existing wagon go nowhere? - so I am honestly grateful for the correction.

[Dr Seuss]

Except there isn't any logic whatsoever behind your assertation.

At what point in Post 38 did I assert that Bugle was scum?
Why would scum care about getting "caught" flinging around a RVS-stage vote?
What empirical evidence can you provide that suggests that town are MORE likely than scum to move their vote within the first 40 posts of a game?
What is your role? (Note: This is not a joke.)

[Dr Seuss]

Oh one more.

Why would I have felt "trapped" if I had moved my vote and nothing had happened?

[Mark Z Danielewski]

Let's not forget this posturing gem:

If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I would find more than one post of his scummy.

She was trying to blow one post out of proportion, and didn't acknowledge the possibility of further posts changing her mind--no, she was

predetermining non-existing posts to be scummy.

And is now trying to justify her actions via not remembering posts two months ago. Well then,

reread them.

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

"Then after claiming that Rucks, Jacques & Cummings were in love with the sound of their own voice, she claims that Joyce is an easy read! Why the inconsistency, ladies and gentleman?

How praytell were we supposed to know that you were talking about Rucks Jacques and Cummings? You were as I showed in the quote talking to Mestro Joyce? You did not even mention these three at all? But when it is brought to your attention, your response is no I did not mean Joyce, I meant these other dudes? Here is the quote again with it bolded it shows you were talking to Joyce not Rucks Jacqes and Cummings.

Joyce is perhaps right, but when lurking is so commonplace surely lurking out of sight is better disguised - less likely to get a person in trouble?

For surely Joyce cannot believe that his threesome has posted less useful information than those who have not posted at all! As such I consider being in love with one's own voice, rather than scumhunting a null tell; it is a failing on the player's part.

P-Edit: If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I would find more than one post of his scummy.

[Jane Austen]

"At what point in Post 38 did I assert that Bugle was scum?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"In the third and fourth line of post 38, and I would ask you to check posts rather than asking for the obvious answers." Said Miss Austen.
"Why would scum care about getting "caught" flinging around a RVS-stage vote?" Said Dr. Seuss, smirking.
With her puzzlement clear on her face, "i don't see why you're pretending to quote me, I didn't use the word caught, or anything of that sentence."
"What empirical evidence can you provide that suggests that town are MORE likely than scum to move their vote within the first 40 posts of a game?" Said Dr. Seuss, still smirking.
"Again I haven't suggested that? With your great declaration of Bugle's scumminess, then you couldn't move your vote off him if the wind changed - as scum would like - and as such couldn't vote him at all in case it didn't go anywhere."
"Why would I have felt "trapped" if I had moved my vote and nothing had happened?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"You strongly said Bugle was scum, and if you left him for some other out of RVS wagon then people would look at that strongly; if you had voted him and moved, then even your greatest defenders would feel the need to bus you." Said Miss Austen getting her breath back as she found herself on familiar ground.

---

"Let us not forget her belief that players, regardless of alignment or style, post scummy posts. How risible is that! Both you and I know that whether or not as post is scummy depends on whether the poster is familiar with our quicktopic, if not then the player must have some masked town motivation." Laughed Danielewski. "What next: 'If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I see more that one post of his with an 'e' in it'?"

"I may be guilty of having posted a truism, but it was in response to Mr. Poe's truism 'that a player with one post will have no more than one scummy post'"

---

The merry Miss. Bradley was happy to join in, "Hey you say that you were talking about Joyce's threesome, but you did didn't mention Joyce's threesome, and here's your words to prove it 'For surely Joyce cannot believe that his threesome'; my case is rested."

[Jane Austen]

"At what point in Post 38 did I assert that Bugle was scum?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"In the third and fourth line of post 38, and I would ask you to check posts rather than asking for the obvious answers." Said Miss Austen.
"Why would scum care about getting "caught" flinging around a RVS-stage vote?" Said Dr. Seuss, smirking.
With her puzzlement clear on her face, "i don't see why you're pretending to quote me, I didn't use the word caught, or anything of that sentence."
"What empirical evidence can you provide that suggests that town are MORE likely than scum to move their vote within the first 40 posts of a game?" Said Dr. Seuss, still smirking.
"Again I haven't suggested that? With your great declaration of Bugle's scumminess, then you couldn't move your vote off him if the wind changed - as scum would like - and as such couldn't vote him at all in case it didn't go anywhere."
"Why would I have felt "trapped" if I had moved my vote and nothing had happened?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"You strongly said Bugle was scum, and if you left him for some other out of RVS wagon then people would look at that strongly; if you had voted him and moved, then even your greatest defenders would feel the need to bus you." Said Miss Austen getting her breath back as she found herself on familiar ground.

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"Let us not forget her belief that players, regardless of alignment or style, post scummy posts. How risible is that! Both you and I know that whether or not as post is scummy depends on whether the poster is familiar with our quicktopic, if not then the player must have some masked town motivation." Laughed Danielewski. "What next: 'If Seuss was to post more than one post, then I am sure I see more that one post of his with an 'e' in it'?"

"I may be guilty of having posted a truism, but it was in response to Mr. Poe's truism 'that a player with one post will have no more than one scummy post'"

Said Miss. Austen.

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The merry Miss. Bradley was happy to join in, "Hey you say that you were talking about Joyce's threesome, but you did didn't mention Joyce's threesome, and here's your words to prove it 'For surely Joyce cannot believe that his threesome'; my case is rested."

[Dr Seuss]

Oh, how droll.

"At what point in Post 38 did I assert that Bugle was scum?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"In the third and fourth line of post 38, and I would ask you to check posts rather than asking for the obvious answers." Said Miss Austen.

So you took a nonsensical word spoken in the very earliest portion of the RVS and assumed it meant I accused him of being scum? The word "schtoogle" was just thrown in there to maintain writing style. I did not, at any point, ascertain that Bugle was scum. I was mostly calling him an idiot.

"Why would scum care about getting "caught" flinging around a RVS-stage vote?" Said Dr. Seuss, smirking.
With her puzzlement clear on her face, "i don't see why you're pretending to quote me, I didn't use the word caught, or anything of that sentence."

Caught/Trapped. Stop harping on word choice and answer myq uestion. Why would scum care about somebody NOTICING them switching their vote? If I avoided voting Bugle because I didn't want to get "trapped" on him, what would the dire consequences of being "trapped" on that wagon?

"Again I haven't suggested that? With your great declaration of Bugle's scumminess, then you couldn't move your vote off him if the wind changed - as scum would like - and as such couldn't vote him at all in case it didn't go anywhere."

SO... you deny saying this?

Jane,

I agree with Mr Wilde's vote for Dr. Seuss, but we must remember that Seuss is not simply the chosen lurker. Votes must not go his way only because he does not post!

It is true that a vote should have substance, a word which here means "reason behind it." Yet I do not see a reason for a Seuss vote other than that he has been lurking in the shadows. Why are his rhymes and poems scummy?

His only post after his random vote is prepping to go on the Bugle wagon, yet he didn't enter it; that level of opportunistic forethought is most likely to come from scum.

You absolutely DID say that it's more likely to come from scum. And now you're fucking LYING about it.

"Why would I have felt "trapped" if I had moved my vote and nothing had happened?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"You strongly said Bugle was scum, and if you left him for some other out of RVS wagon then people would look at that strongly; if you had voted him and moved, then even your greatest defenders would feel the need to bus you." Said Miss Austen getting her breath back as she found herself on familiar ground.

"STRONGLY"?!??

What the fuck are you on? I never said anything of the sort, and I certainly didn't say it STRONGLY. Why don't YOU go back and read. Even if I did intend for "schtoogle" to mean "scum," I said "it seems to me you

might be

." How the fuck is that a STRONG accusation?
Furthermore, your assertation that somebody would have to bus me for leaving an RVS-wagon for a real vote later on is completley and utterly nonsensical. People RVS all the time and then move on, so why would anybody feel a need to bus me if I had voted Bugle and later moved elsewhere?

No.
You rhetoric will get you nowhere. You are a proven liar, you're MAKING UP your case against me, because you don't fucking HAVE anything. You're scum.

You have.
Literally one opportunity to:
A) Claim
B) Explain why you LIED about saying opportunistic scum are more likely to fail to vote Bugle there; and
C) PROVE that people who fail to move their votes in RVS are more likely to be scum.
If you are protown. If you believe for even ONE MOMENT that what you've said in the past is actually genuine, you will not hesitate for even a moment to answer at the very least B and C. And if you think I'm bluffing about threatening your life, I'll just fucking kill you. ZERO fucks given.

[Jane Austen]

"what would the dire consequences of being 'trapped' on that wagon?" Said Dr. Seuss.
"You would be deprived of a vote to be used elsewhere; the consequence might not be dire, but they're best avoided." Said Miss. Austen.
"What is saying I am scum for 'prepping to go on the Bugle wagon' if not the same thing as saying 'that town are MORE likely than scum to move their vote within the first 40 posts of a game'? You liar!" Said Dr. Seuss, choosing to get as merry as Bradley.
"A different thing?" Offered Miss Austen, her blush showing her bafflement.
"And did I call Bugle strongly scum? Other than the exclamation point, and the adjective, and having an entire line dedicated to the type of scum he is, how was my claim that he was a 'sc' delivered strongly?"
"I must concede that other than the exclamation point, and the adjective, and having an entire line dedicated to the type of scum he is I have nothing, but I think that is enough." Said Miss. Austen.

"Doctor, I am very flattered that you would choose to kill me, but I expect that Phelps is the greater threat to you and your cohorts; I am very flattered though." Said Miss Austen, before making her excuses to move away from the sodden man.

[Dr Seuss]

Welp. I tried.

Gladiator: Jane Austen

[HP Lovecraft]

Diary Entry 10

As the second day of workshopping went on, it became apparent that I was not the only person in attendance who was filled with a nameless dread. Although the way in which this feeling, which had an odious and oily quality, manifested itself different depending on the disposition of the author in question, it was clear that all of us were suffering under its ill-effects. Though ordinarily I consider myself to be an orderly and reasoned person, I found myself shaking my limbs involuntarily and constantly looking over my shoulder for half-imagined assailants; others withdrew completely from contact, while others erupted into bursts of anger. Dr Seuss and Jane Austen were two such individuals, and after a lengthy dispute (of which I did not get involved!) over the proper definition of an anapest, they leaped to their feet, seizing makeshift weaponry from the mantel, and demanded that the rest of us gathered decide which one would live or die, since they could stomach their combined company no longer. Stirred from our shocked withdrawl, we looked around and began to raise our hands in support of one or the other...

Ooc: vc is reset, players may only vote for Austen or Seuss

[Edgar Allan Poe]

A fight, a fight, my eyes shall weep,
Or nay lets rejoice for we are truly deep!
Methinks it's best for me to

Vote: Jane Austen

,
And let begin the Massacre of Boston.

[Mark Z Danielewski]

Well thanks for removing my so lovingly-placed vote. Your hat is ugly.

VOTE: Jane Austen

Love,
Mom

[Marion Zimmer Bradley]

Ah a true Darkovan champion I see in Seuss, and clearly a Comyn Lord of honor. No commoner would be willing to go one on one with someone.


VOTE: Jane Austen

[Rucks]

Kid was a little put off by this. He figured Miss Stein was wearing the black mark a lot more than Austen.

Still, in a choice between Seuss and Austen, Kid would throw his lot in with the former. Gladiatin' is a strange tool for murderers to have in the first place; and even if he was a murderer who could do it, why now, right when everyone's eyes were starting to look elsewhere?

Vote: Jane Austen

[James Joyce]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff Miss Jane Voldemort Austenitz is a heavenly creature of impeccable horse breeding, wearing alluring lace pantaloons overlain with abundant fru-fru. Inside lays a shiny plum peplum where I rest my exhausted spumoni ice cream. Only scumbags would sully the beckoning reputation of this filthy little woman whose ink well gets so excited at the thought of a favorable marriage.

Rhymeful pedofuls, on the other hand, leave me cold.

VOTE: Dr Seuss

[Dr Seuss]

Vote: Jane Austen