NY 160: Terrible Melodrama Mafia (Game Over)

[JacobSavage]

VOTE: Nost

Shameless sheeping of Gb and plan B.

Nost claim.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

8 minutes left.

Not looking good.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

That is a completely unfounded accusation. You are saying I was being dishonest and purposefully scummy in Black Flag essentially playing against win-con. I'd never do that - it is a blacklistable offence. A fairly shitty way to tone down your town game yourself harder to read. You have no proof that I would do anything of that sort in any game.

How is Absta making my slot conftown relevant in the slightest? I played just the way I wanted to play and I don't play all town games the same. Each game is different and I adjust towards the environment.

Arthur posting is the only good point you have but it is minor enough to be irrelevant.

Pedit: If this lynch doesn't go through, we should all switch to RC to avoid a no lynch.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

You have no proof that I would do anything of that sort in any game.

I don't have any proof but I'm fairly confident it's the case.

And I'm not deadline lynching RC.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So, you'd rather let the time run out? Now I feel certain you are scum. You have been tunneling all day, refuse to vote a deadline lynch and keep threatening me with an "Empire meta-case" that never comes.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Yes, I rather no lynch than lynch someone we're both fairly sure is town.

And "now I feel certain you're scum" you just town-read us about 5-6 posts back and Empire meta case hasn't been posted because he was at his law finals until 2 days ago.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Jesus if anyone reads the last 2 pages and doesn't realize F-16 is scum from it they're incredibly bad.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

My read on you has been fluctuating. Your refusal to compromise at deadline seals the deal.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Deadlines already passed 1 minute ago.

[DeasVail]

Vote Count 3.09

Nostredeus (5)- F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Plan B, Gentlemen Bastards, N, JacobSavage
RedCoyote (3)- 4nxi3ty, Untrod Tripod, Nostredeus
Untrod Tripod (2)- Empking, RedCoyote

Not voting: No one!

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

No lynch has occured.

[DeasVail]

Note: Apologies for not using the countdown timer. I will find/work out how to use it and have it from then on.

It is now Night 3. The deadline for night actions is in (expired on 2012-12-11 07:00:00)

[DeasVail]

JacobSavage felt horror and despair, hysteria and grief as he found his eyes upon evidence of what his wife had done.
Although normally quiet and eager to avoid all conflict, JacobSavage felt as if he had released the savage within him as he returned home to Number 6. By the time he entered the living room, Untrod Tripod facing away from him in the armchair opposite the fireplace, he felt ready to explode.
"I know what it is that you've found," Untrod Tripod said, still facing the fireplace.
JacobSavage's mouth opened, but no speech emerged in response to his wife's impossible knowledge, her surprisingly calm demeanour.
"I will not pretend that it didn't happen either, but if you are prepared to listen to me I can explain." she continued, remaining in her position.

An hour later, Untrod Tripod turned to face her husband. Their eyes connected, and as they rushed toward each other to meet in a passionate embrace, something long lost was reignited.

...

Gentlemen Bastards did not return to Number 6 until the next morning, so it was only then that she found her parents side by side, lying on their fronts, a knife in each of their backs. All of Scum Street woke from her scream.

JacobSavage,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 3.

Untrod Tripod,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed Night 3.

Day 4 begins! The deadline is in (expired on 2012-12-25 07:00:00)

Players alive: N, 4nxi3ty, Empking, Plan B, RedCoyote, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Nostredeus, Gentlemen Bastards

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Empking]

Vote: nost

- I'm following Plan B's case.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

First of if it's a vig and not a sk then they're completley retarded, both Jacob and UT were incredibly obvtown.

Second of we're lynching F-16 today, end of story. There's no one even remotely as scummy as he is. Empire and I were in the process of writing out a case on him overnight then paused it because we thought there was a decent chance he'd nk us to give himself a chance and didn't want to waste time so I'll put together what we have at the moment and we'll finish it of later.

One of the most important and damning points is the fact that his read on our slot and on us changes depending on what our read on him is. I'm not even kidding, if we're not pushing him or hardcore stating he's scum then we're 'town' in his reads list and when we're hardcore stating preference for him to be lynched then he states we're scum. I'll show some examples, in his initial catch up post Post 478 he states that Senjai reads town to him and that his play is very much from a town mindset. He states that some of Senjais posts - #52 are very pro-town and ends it with stating Senjai as one of his two town-reads. We state massive amount of confidence in our scum-read on F-16 in Post 537 he turns around and says that his town-read on us is dying and that he potentially wants us lynched later in Post 540 and Post 542. Now lets get this right, his reasoning for having a scum-read on us at this point is that he's saying that we're partners with Jacob and that was the sole reason but then on D2 he comes out saying that Jacob is town so that line of reasoning would have had to have died. In Post 726 he states that meta wise and play wise he has a town-read on us, context wise at this point the wagons were something like 4-3-2 on other people and we weren't pushing his lynch. In Post 730 we state a strong scum-read on him and state he has to be lynched and hanged tomorrow, we point out his lack of scumhunting and actual real motivation hunting which he tries to call bullshit (Read his ISO and without the back and forths to us he only has a few posts that consiturte real content, then compare it to elsewhere). In Post 754 he states that he now feels 'certain' that we're scum despite his last mention of us being a town-read on us and the reasoning for it is that we don't want to switch to RC and lynch a town-read just to compromise on deadline. Lynching a town-read has little to no benefit and is actually harmful majority of the time but it was him desperately trying to find some reasoning to state a scum-read on us.

I'll put up the rest of it later.

Vote: F-16

Pedit: EMPKING, not fucking around today, we're lynching F-16. Read his interaction with us. It'll become VERY obvious that he's scum. That said we did a massive amount of interaction analysis with F-16 and others and there's a few things that do point towards him being partnered with Nost but F-16 today and first.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

If the above isn't enough to prove to people he's scum (It really should be) his 'I investigated him' comment in Post 657 followed up by his 'I didn't want to reveal too much information and wanted to keep scum guessing' in Post 679 is him attempting to create a reason or risk of 'danger' to prevent people pushing or vigging him. That being the whole "Oh he might actually be an investigative role" worry when then entire thing is very see-through bullshit, if he were an investigative role with a report on Jacob that 'cleared' him then he would have stated his alternate information and not have been dismissive about requests for it. Especially given that there's a dead watcher will be very very very likely be the only protective role in the setup. His claim and comment there has no town motivation behind it whatsoever - not just that but the fact that he went from strong scum-read on Jacob to strong-town-read isn't natural at all, if he truly did he would have come out stating that he'd re-looked at him, reassessed and realized he was wrong and not just that he'd be significantly more confident we were town due to but he didn't at all, he attempted to slide through the day without elaborating on it or stating anything relevant or helpful towards it.

Not to mention that his Post 724 is blatant self-preservation thinking. At the time there were 0 votes on him but the post above Post 723 was Empire stating that he wanted a F-16 lynch rather than the others, F-16 knows that Empire is super accurate and can make massively damaging cases and knew that Empire having nailed him meant that he had to be open up options for himself to vote, he instantly stated being okay to lynch RC a null-read of his rather than a scum-read, it's not a thought-process or line of thinking that meshs with an experienced town player at all, it's him being frantic as scum.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Oh and Empking, if you're around (Change your vote to F-16) we were trying to work out what the potential setup is re; number of scum, if it's a SK we're fairly sure that it's two scum left maximum but if it's a vig do you think it's plausible for there to be three scum left because balance wise I think it is but it seems very iffy.

Also (Change your vote to F-16).

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Also just remembered Empire pointed out that Post 316 and Post 317 mean that Plan B is town and I don't have a clue how I forgot that. So PoE is really really point towards it being F-16 + Nost / MAYBE 4nxiety, still want to do some reading into him in more detail.

[Empking]

Oh and Empking, if you're around (Change your vote to F-16) we were trying to work out what the potential setup is re; number of scum, if it's a SK we're fairly sure that it's two scum left maximum but if it's a vig do you think it's plausible for there to be three scum left because balance wise I think it is but it seems very iffy.

Also (Change your vote to F-16).

Four scum with 15 players seems shocking.

I think your case on F16 suggests bad/lazy play over scum play.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

F-16 isn't a 'bad player' at all. Take a look at his games elsewhere or wait for Empire to wake up. He doesn't know how to handle us and knows that we're strong at lynching our scum-reads so he's trying to scum-read us whenever we show confidence in wanting to lynch him so he has an out of push-back-on-us.

[N]

Is this mylo? 3 scum left, it's 5v3; 2 scum and an sk is 5v2v1 which I don't know how that works.

I just finished a 15 player game with 3 scum (modded by Empking, so that's why he's saying 4 scum is too many). That game only had 2 actual power roles (3 if you count neighbour), and we've already had that many flip.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

I don't think it's possible for it be lylo given that there's a second killing role so if there is somehow 4 scum a vig or sk shot hitting mafia tonight brings the game back into balance but we think we have the setup figured out (Or at least I do) and I'd say there's very likely only two scum remaining with it being F-16 + Nost (Still have some doubts on Nost though but deal with that tomorrow).

[N]

So much of Nost's play has been scummy, but 658 just doesn't sit right with him being scum.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Yeah, I'm still having massive issues with him. Adorkables play and statements of them not being able to post / discuss things together / get to this game and their replace out due to lack of time followed up by them joining multiple other games read really really really bad but I find that entire bit of Nosts play genuine, it's why lynching F-16 today and then working out what's wrong tomorrow is the best way to go.

[JacobSavage]

Gah.... Go town x

[N]

I just did some detective work. There were three people that were not on the Nost wagon at the end of yesterday that are still alive. Anxiety, Empking and RedCoyote all made their last posts in thread at around the same time:

probly not going to be online again before deadline so my vote is staying on rc.

Plan B& F16 need to change their votes.

Should I claim then? GB? F-16?

This is Anxiety's last post on-site, so I think he was pretty obviously not online near deadline to switch wagon.
RedCoyote made a few other posts at around this time in other threads, but was not around near deadline and his usual posting time backs up that he was probably not online until about the same time of day as he posted 717.
But looking at Empking's recent posts on site: although he didn't post here, he made a post somewhere else about 20 minutes after deadline had passed in this thread.