Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Maenara]

Look at the bloody post I was responding to.

How the hell am I supposed to address "Aaaaaaaah"?

Fair, but I wasn't just referring to Nacho's points.

Then quote the relevant post where I don't address said points, while speaking to someone who has actually presented them.

[Majiffy]

Attempt

to look like

the vote was a pressure vote; allows him to slip out of responsibility upon a KMD town-flip.

The hell? No it isn't. I'm voting KMD to lynch him; I just said it because I needed a votecount and because KMD's 'K' was sorta freakin' useless.

Bolded. Thanks!

Add that to the fact that he's in the Aether slot which has been scummy since the get-go and you've got a prime second scum lynch.

Yadda yadda yadda, how exactly do you propose I defend myself against accusations based on actions that

aren't mine

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Lolursoscum

Pourquoi???

Just because I'm voting someone else doesn't mean I don't want an answer. I don't see what dots you're failing to connect here.

Majiffy, that case...actually...isn't too bad.

Maenara, that was the whole point of the "k". Director's post was pretty useless so I responded with uselessness back. If you aren't going to make a specific point, you aren't going to get a real response.

There's a reason there's a flow-chart.

Also Penguin is pretty town. Eh wins with the villagers and doesn't afraid of lynching scum.

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 2.3




Kmd4390 (4) Maenara, pirate mollie, uctriton00, Buldemar
Majiffy (2) the director, borkjerfkin,
uctriton00 (1) Kmd4390
Maenara (5) Majiffy Nachomamma8, Nobody Special, penguin_alien, Lastsurvivor (L-2)

Not Voting



With 12 it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-12-25 15:45:36)

[Nachomamma8]

TWO MORE VOTES
TWO MORE VOTES

[Nachomamma8]

guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?

we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls

[pirate mollie]

guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?

we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls

nono
nonono
if maenara flips town (and I won't be voting her btw) then we should test my theory on kmd and ns. you cannot even provide a good defense can you except for ns (and that wasn't so good).

[Nachomamma8]

guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?

we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls

nono
nonono
if maenara flips town (and I won't be voting her btw) then we should test my theory on kmd and ns. you cannot even provide a good defense can you except for ns (and that wasn't so good).

if maenara flips scum, can you stop this?
and yes i could, but i probably won't until he catches up and makes an effort post.

[pirate mollie]

if maenara flips scum then yes. I will stop pushing my pet theory. cos obviously it will hold no merit.

[buldermar]

Just because I'm voting someone else doesn't mean I don't want an answer. I don't see what dots you're failing to connect here.

You were voting one person, then asking that person for an answer to a question, then voting a different person, in consecutive posts. Je ne comprends pas.

[uctriton00]

What is this random vote on me for

[Kmd4390]

I don't see a random vote. I only see mine.

[Kmd4390]

Oh and there's a good chance that between today and tomorrow (probably tomorrow), I'll have a chance to look over Day 1 stuff finally. That's assuming my days off stay days off.

[Lastsurvivor]

Then quote the relevant post where I don't address said points, while speaking to someone who has actually presented them.

Not really sure what you want me to do past the "I don't address said points," part

but

You didn't address all of Maj's case (specifically the posts he linked to)
And I though there was more but there really isn't. My bad etc.

Uct's reaction to Kmd's vote is lame and scummy.

[pirate mollie]

I would like for maenara to claim before you guys get so gung ho and lynch her. would also like to hear her responses other than the "bloody eat a dick town" that she has posted so far. that the only thing she has offered so far is "mollie always looks scummy to me" is pretty scummy although she did hop on the kmd wagon I am just not sure why exactly. this kind of looks like her scum game but I would be surprised if I got a good grasp of her meta from only 2 games but hey sometimes I'll have a brilliant moment.

also majiffy, do you still have a scum read on kmd? if not what changed?

[Maenara]

Claim? Why in the name of all that's good and unholy would I claim? Like we literally just established, the only thing I've been accused of so far is twisting KMD's words. Which, by the way, LS & Majiffy, is not a scummy thing to do. I didn't lie about what he said, and I gave him the chance to either elaborate and explain himself, or to dig a deeper hole. No different from any other way of forcing a reaction from scum.

[Kmd4390]

Fizz wagon at full strength:
Fizz (6) Kmd4390, the director, Nobody Special, penguin_alien, Aether, uctriton00
^Problem is we don't have a town flip from him, so now isn't the time to look for scum on the wagon. Hell, looking back at the first couple pages, I still want to say he's scum. So why look here? To compare to the Fe wagon. If Fizz is town, scum probably showed preference here. If he is scum, they probably either didn't show preference or wanted another wagon to pick up steam. So here are the names of the people on the initial Fizz wagon. Keep in mind that this was so early in the day that the people voting here may or may not have had the expectation that this would go to a lynch.

Kmd4390, (1) Borkjerfkin
Aether (4) Majiffy, Breakfast, Fe, Nobody Special
Majiffy (1) pirate mollie
Breakfast (1) Declan_giggs
Fizz (5) Kmd4390, the director, penguin_alien, Aether, uctriton00
^First to jump off is Nobody Special. Majiffy, Breakfast, and Fe have all voted Aether giving us our second wagon. Again, Aether's slot hasn't flipped yet. But what I notice aside from Nobody Special's flip is Fe's vote on Aether:

Really? Is it that just me to whom that sounds so much like a scum-slip...Even if not, he could be a very volatile townie especially in the endgame. I mean short attention span... (also note Aether/director scum team)
UNVOTE: Breakfast
VOTE: Aether LET THE LIGHT SHINE THROUGH YOU!!!

Clearly scum voting a townie here in my opinion. Aether is pretty obvtown. Also note:Aether/director scum team callout. Could be an attempt to connect a townie to a buddy in case of a later flip, but I kind of doubt whether Fe was that clever.

Kmd4390 (3) Nobody Special, uctriton00, Majiffy
Number Six (2) Breakfast, Fe
Breakfast (2) Borkjerfkin, the director
Fizz (4) penguin_alien, Number Six, Kmd4390. Lastsuvivor
^Director has now shifted off of the fizz wagon to vote Breakfast with bork. A new wagon has also sprung up on myself. Note Nobody Special on yet another wagon. Also just realized that even though the number has only dropped one, Uct switched to me while Last voted Fizz. Looking at Uct, I don't like this series of quotes:

Other than that, Fizz looks completely backed into a corner. Vote: Fizz I don't like unprompted overexplanations at all.

Fizz got quiet REAL quick after the bandwagon built. I think you defend the **** out of yourself, but if it's his first game, I see that as newb town who got scared to die and stopped posting so much. Majiffy pointed out KMD's case on Fizz. I'll buy that. KMD's flip buys Majiffy's flip, and probably Fizz's flip too. I don't see Majiffy going out of his way to defend someone he doesn't know his alliance of.

Do you even believe I am scum

Yes I do.

^So first, Fizz is scum while five other people are voting him. Then, out of nowhere Fizz is newbtown for lurking and we should lynch me to "buy" Majiffy and Fizz's flips. Then I'm not being voted for info, I'm suddenly scum. The whole thing looks like he's just trying to place his vote somewhere popular without stepping on toes. That's scum play. Next vote count.

Fe (5) the director, uctriton00, Majiffy, penguin_alien, Nobody Special
Number Six (2) Breakfast, Fe
Fizz (6) Number Six, Kmd4390, Lastsuvivor, Malakittens, Borkjerfkin, pirate mollie (L-2)
^This is going to be a huge one so I'll take my time on it. Fizz wagon first. The first three Fizz votes were there already. Unfortunately, Number Six/Aether/Maenara didn't really post anything that gives me strong info here. The second vote is my own, so no need for me to look at that. The third is LastSurvivor:

Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.

^Initial vote.

I guess my issue is -- what caused Fizzy to go from just being "nervous" to being an ok wagon in your [bork] opinion?

^Scumhunting on a wagon that he's still on.

While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).

^And here. Initial reaction to Fe wagon. I don't see anything up to this point that shows that Last thinks Fe is "pretty scummy". Even here, it's a disclaimer to a defense. This looks bad after not seeming convinced Fizz is scum. But here's the problem. I can see where this could be coming from if Last is town. Fe was barely discussed before this point and nobody seemed sure he was town. Also, the replacing out as a scumtell thing wasn't convincing at all. I'll keep reading...

Fizz when you get back can you not ignore me I demand attention thanks.
Fe uh...nice wall. Can you maybe do some synthesis and tell us some of your reads?

^Possibly pushing Fizz a bit while prompting Fe to avoid the rope.

I know this is unrelated to Last, but I found it quoted in his ISO:

I'll answer your question with a question. Why would someone looking for a replacement still be posting?

^Not Fe's buddy.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fe is just too scared to post and is trying to keep his head down long enough for Fizz or someone else to become the flavor of the moment.

I'm feeling the same way about Fizz really.

^Definitely could be Fe's buddy.

Vote Fe and I'll look at Fizz tomorrow. We have scummier scum to lynch.

Huh. Alright.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fe

THIS IS L-1

^And here's the chance to bus because Fe is going down anyway.

I'm pretty sold on Uct/Last as scum right now, but I'll keep looking just in case something else stands out.

Bork and Mollie also voted Fizz. Let's see why:

Pings me as scummier than Fe and I'm more convinced this wagon is town driven than I am about the Fe wagon.

^Fair.

kmd I will probably bloc vote with you cos you are my strongest town read

I can get down with a fe lynch cos I do think he was role fishing

VOTE: fizz

^Scum trying to keep Fe alive or town who doesn't like either lynch? Meh, she seems pretty ok with both to be the second. I'll keep judgement on this on hold until I'm further into the analysis.

I hate to leave this partially done but something just came up. I'll get back to it probably tomorrow. I think it's Uct/Last, but I want to finish this.

[Kmd4390]

If you need reason to stop the Maenara wagon (aside from the wagon being bad to begin with), refer to Fe calling Aether on a scum slip in the first quote of my last post.

[the director]

KMD going to need the tl;didnt fucking understand of what ever that shit you posted was

[Kmd4390]

Uct and Last are scummy.

[Kmd4390]

Oh and you and Maenara are town.

[the director]

Appreciate it.

[the director]

I encourage you to read this in Ron Swanson's voice, because it will make more sense.

But if you can literally tell me, in the shortest way possible, why utc and last are scummy, I can continue enjoying this scotch while not caring.

[the director]

And while I am in the Ron Swanson voice, I will ask everyone this. Majiffy has been jumping from read to read, and you lazy ass ****** ******* ******** keep following him. I ask you this. If he is the town leader, why wasn't he murdered last night? I am now going back to my scotch and steak and bid you all a good night.

[Kmd4390]

So where was I?

Fe (5) the director, uctriton00, Majiffy, penguin_alien, Nobody Special
Number Six (2) Breakfast, Fe
Fizz (6) Number Six, Kmd4390, Lastsuvivor, Malakittens, Borkjerfkin, pirate mollie (L-2)

I already looked at the Fizz wagon and found null on Number Six, scum on Last, town lean on Bork, and mollie saved for later judgement.

So for the Fe wagon.

I got a crazy idea. Let's lynch this guy.

VOTE: Fe

^No scum would suddenly decide to bring attention to their under the radar buddy here. This is why director is obvtown.

This, however:

You're right.



It's crazy.

Is how a scumbuddy might react.

As soon as his name is mentioned he shows up. Very very suspect.

^Kind of unrelated, but this is more proof that the Beetlejuice tell is a good one because Fe did flip scum. I love that tell.

Scum replacing when they're in trouble

Unvote
Vote: Fe

Bad vote. Maybe intentionally.

This Fe guy seems fishier post after post.

^But no vote. This could very well still be scum.

VOTE: Fe
Post was annoying to read, IIoA, and incredibly stupid.

Yep. This is not at all how a scum reacts to a buddies' catch up in a game where said buddy just received two votes and a good point hasn't been made yet.

Penguin's thoughts are spread over a few posts and quoting them is probably more of a pain than it's worth just to show that it's town thinking from someone I've had a town read on all game anyway.

Hi. Not only am I shuttling back and forth between two towns, I've caught cold and generally feel like shit.

Vote: Fe

He's walking a too-fine tightrope. Lynch it.

^No longer a crazy idea? Why? Because it has support? *Sigh* And there can only be two scum between Uct/Last/NS/Fizzslot. This kind of sucks.

Fe (8) the director, uctriton00, Majiffy, penguin_alien, pirate mollie, Lastsuvivor, Nobody Special, Nachomama8 (LYNCH)
Fizz (3) Maenara, Kmd4390, Malakittens,
Nachomama8 (1) Borkjerfkin

No big changes up to lynch except pirate, Last, and Nacho voting Fe. Nobody Special unvoted and revoted. And Bork voted Nacho. So let's look there.

Since NS's ISO is on my other tab already, I'll start there. Looks like he switched to Nacho and back for literally no reason. Looks like he saw that Bork had a suspicion on Nacho and wanted to capitalize on a chance to spring up a new wagon. Director gets all OMGSOMEONEHAMMER so he switches back. Weak bus?

Bork seems fine with Fe's death but thinks Nacho is scum. This is fine.

Now let's see if Mollie, Last or Nacho seems to be bussing.

Mollie goes back and forth between Fizz and Fe and seems to want us to believe they are interchangeable. Yet looking at the posts, I see a Fizz preference, especially here:

fine.

VOTE: fe

I don't know. Mollie hasn't looked too bad overall and it's not as bad as Uct, Last, NS, or Fizz. Consider Mollie a weak town read based on this.

Last:
I actually already covered it. His vote is just his chance to bus.

Nacho:
Hammer is fine.

So yeah. It's Uct and Last. NS is just being weird, not necessarily scum. Next in line if I'm wrong, but if I recall, he usually plays weird. Fizzslot is next because I still think he was scummy but I don't see anything that suggests we were looking at two scum wagons. Then mollie or bork but I see four people as scummier than them so I won't even start to pursue anything on them right now.

I still want to look at Fe's ISO at some point, but I doubt I'll get much from that.

[the director]

That was literally the opposite of short, son.