Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[Kmd4390]

Director, it's Uct and Last because of their voting records and reactions to the wagons on Fizz and Fe. And the last post wasn't at you. It was just the end of the first long one.

[the director]

I really don't have time for your bull, KMD. I'll be frank, I don't like you. In fact I don't like most of this field. It is full of sheeping pansies who can't make an argument to save their life. And I'm not here to read dissertations about why your latest man-love isn't responding to your emotions. I want cold hard facts.

[Kmd4390]

If you're too lazy to read, I can't help you. The facts are in my posts from today (RL day).

[Lastsurvivor]

Re KMD's case:

Why is scumhunting people that were on the wagon I was on scummy? And where do you get the idea that I wasn't convinced Fizz was scum?

I mention Fe being scum in my first real post.

Re the L-1 vote: Fe was my #2 suspect all day. If you read the posts in which I question and otherwise express suspicion of Fe (as well as look at my first post linked above), you would see that.

[Kmd4390]

First question answers the second.

The point on Fe is you avoided voting him until he was going down anyway.

And I won't be clicking links because that's obnoxious to do on my phone.

[pirate mollie]

Claim? Why in the name of all that's good and unholy would I claim?

Like we literally just established, the only thing I've been accused of so far is twisting KMD's words. Which, by the way, LS & Majiffy, is not a scummy thing to do. I didn't lie about what he said, and I gave him the chance to either elaborate and explain himself, or to dig a deeper hole. No different from any other way of forcing a reaction from scum.

cos you are at L2. the best time to claim really.

[pirate mollie]

I really don't have time for your bull, KMD. I'll be frank, I don't like you. In fact I don't like most of this field. It is full of sheeping pansies who can't make an argument to save their life. And I'm not here to read dissertations about why your latest man-love isn't responding to your emotions.

I want cold hard facts

.

fe was who was lynched on d1.
malacat was town lynched on d2.

those are the facts. hth

we work from there ------>

[Kmd4390]

If my posts aren't "working from there", I honestly have no clue what is.

[pirate mollie]

I really don't have time for your bull, KMD. I'll be frank, I don't like you. In fact I don't like most of this field. It is full of sheeping pansies who can't make an argument to save their life. And I'm not here to read dissertations about why your latest man-love isn't responding to your emotions.

I want cold hard facts

.

fe was who was lynched on d1.
malacat was town nked on d2.

those are the facts. hth

we work from there ------>

corrected.

[Majiffy]

also majiffy, do you still have a scum read on kmd? if not what changed?

If Maenara flips scum, I highly doubt KMD is scum with him.

If you need reason to stop the Maenara wagon (aside from the wagon being bad to begin with), refer to Fe calling Aether on a scum slip in the first quote of my last post.

Because scum has never over-eagerly bussed their teamate when they have inside information about scum and see what they consider a blatant slip. Yeah, never happened ever.

[penguin_alien]

While Kmd4390's posts track on a point-by-point basis, I get the sense there's some confirmation bias going on there. Especially WRT finding things near the end, like pirate mollie's jumping to Fe, that contradict Kmd4390's old reads but are ignored or hand-waved aside.

And someone, uctriton00 I think, talked about ATE going on with Maenara and so we should let her off the hook. I do not see where AtE (this is appeal to emotion, right?) makes someone not scummy. Personally I am not a fan of people disregarding logical facts in this game in favor of relying on emotional appeals, and the last time I ignored this leaning it was to townie-me's peril/endgaming. If Maenara thinks the arguments against her are so weak, point out where the flaws are, or where things aren't supported. And saying she's tired of the whole mess, or whatever she means in #737, when twelve hours prior Kmd4390 was up to L-1, doesn't track; it's not like she'd spent weeks going round on the points.

[Nachomamma8]

If he is the town leader, why wasn't he murdered last night?

Because scum were banking on a kmd mislynch?
I don't know, I don't really subscribe to bullshit WIFOM reasoning such as this. Do you think he is scum?

While Kmd4390's posts track on a point-by-point basis, I get the sense there's some confirmation bias going on there. Especially WRT finding things near the end, like pirate mollie's jumping to Fe, that contradict Kmd4390's old reads but are ignored or hand-waved aside.

Do you think this confirmation bias is coming from a town perspective or a scum one?

[pirate mollie]

Because scum were banking on a kmd mislynch?

what would this have to do with a nk choice?

I don't know, I don't really subscribe to bullshit WIFOM reasoning such as this. Do you think he is scum?

well his vote is on him and he has pushing for his lynch in this entire day round so

[Nachomamma8]

what would this have to do with a nk choice?

You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.

[uctriton00]

Bad vote. Maybe intentionally.

Explain to me how that was bad.

[buldermar]

Maenara, from your perspective, for what reasons are you being voted and which of these are lies?

[Maenara]

I'm being voted for gut and for twisting KMD's words to put him on the spot. The latter is not a lie, I did do that (Though I didn't make him out to have said something he hadn't), and the former has that lovely property of being totally unaccountable.

Of course, there's likely to be some scum on me, but I strongly doubt both are there. After all, why not gain town-cred by not being on the wrong wagon?

Like, say, mollie. Who has done a stellar job of asking people what they thought, and why they thought it, and why they didn't think something else, and asking people to claim, and generally doing no scum hunting at all if she can avoid it. Look at her ISO - Tell me when she ain't reacting to people, but instead doing something on her own accord. It doesn't fit her usual play, sir, no it doesn't.

While I'm at it:

VOTE: pirate mollie

(( Doing that never gets old. ))

[Lastsurvivor]

First question answers the second.

Not really. When I see something that doesn't make sense, I probe. Should I not have done that because we were voting the same person? It's foolish to assume that everyone on the same wagon as you is town.

The point on Fe is you avoided voting him until he was going down anyway.

So I'm scum because I POSSIBLY could have bussed Fe? That's a bullshit tell.

I switched my vote because I realized Fizz coming back was unlikely. I don't vote replacements based on their original slot owners, so it would have been useless to vote his replacee.

And I won't be clicking links because that's obnoxious to do on my phone.

Here are the relevant quotes from the links I posted in order.

My first post in the game:

Fe I have no question for but I just want to point out that out of all the lurkers he's the most likely to be scum.

Question Fe/bring up suspicions of Fe:

Going to piggy back on Maj's #394. Fe, why did you give Number 6 "town points" if you didn't mean it?

Not every post in the game is a novel. Analysis is not "hard and long." My next two statements are analysis. I do not believe your rationale for making that VC was that it was quicker than analysis. I think you did it because you wanted to look like you were contributing something.

See. It's not so hard, and took maybe twenty seconds.

Secondly, I agree with that it's quite strange that you called that a town tell. So why did you do it? Why didn't you say "Ohoho, u so funny/clever for decoding those lyrics #6"? Why did you give him town points?

Oh, and you've still ignored my request to synthesize and give some reads.

Considering switching my vote but I really don't wanna let Fizz off the hook. <_<

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Maenara's Pirate Mollie vote is bad.

[Maenara]

Your me vote is bad, so we'll be about equal, then.

[pirate mollie]

what would this have to do with a nk choice?

You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.

but majiffy caught scum on d1 and today you are sheeping him so

[pirate mollie]

I'm being voted for gut and for twisting KMD's words to put him on the spot. The latter is not a lie, I did do that (Though I didn't make him out to have said something he hadn't), and the former has that lovely property of being totally unaccountable.

Of course, there's likely to be some scum on me, but I strongly doubt both are there. After all, why not gain town-cred by not being on the wrong wagon?

Like, say, mollie. Who has done a stellar job of asking people what they thought, and why they thought it, and why they didn't think something else, and asking people to claim, and generally doing no scum hunting at all if she can avoid it. Look at her ISO - Tell me when she ain't reacting to people, but instead doing something on her own accord. It doesn't fit her usual play, sir, no it doesn't.

While I'm at it:

VOTE: pirate mollie

(( Doing that never gets old. ))

seriously maenara if you are going to be blatantly retarded with me in every single game we play together maybe you should look at the player list before volunteering to sub in and make sure I am not on it. if you are town it is seriously fucking up your game cos right now you are looking like pondscum. I have seen you put forth a pretty good defense what you are doing here is pathetic.

the only reason I am not voting you right now is because I want to test my pet theory. I am with the director I think fe fucked up with his little list. have you even bothered to read the thread? if you read posts only in iso things won't make much sense but if you read things in the

context

in which they were posted in then they will.

[Maenara]

Well, that escalated quickly.

[Majiffy]

Thanks for reminding me how scummy you are, LS. Those posts are gold mines of bussing.

[the director]

Thanks for reminding me how scummy you are, LS. Those posts are gold mines of bussing.

LS you probably should answer this cause Majiffy knows a thing or two about bussing. Also his "flow chart" business seems to have been swept under the rug with little to no explanation.

Pirate - for now I'm going to respect you keeping your cards close to the chest about your pet theory, but eventually you are going to need to reveal it. Maybe a teaser?

This game has become stagnated again ... I might have to *gulp* effort post again. Every time I shake the tree the same few names fall out, and I'm at the point I don't care which of those names is flipped.

[Majiffy]

Also his "flow chart" business seems to have been swept under the rug with little to no explanation.

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