Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[Iecerint]

Not sure why Ythan thinks Drench 228 is scum. I think Drench is town, and that post isn't really problematic to me.

how did you go from this to having drench at the bottom of your scum list?

1. Players are in order based on their listing on page 1. I went down the list and assigned players to lists.

2. My scumlist is really a null-list. It only adds leaning-scum because I have strong town reads. I had strong scumreads in the game until all the Wyrd revelations, and that fucked everything up.

[SlumberPartyBois]

also pls dont call me matt THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

[SlumberPartyBois]

ic pls let me know when u decide on some scumreads : ]

[Ythan]

Mmmmm interesting from Wyrd (782), but it's not like PretentiousHydra is the only hydra in the game. So that's dumb.

I didn't even think of this. This is a good point I think?

[Ythan]

I remain totally mystified at Om's summary of page 14 (821). WTF.

idgi it makes sense to me. Like I went back to it expecting to see and looking for something insensible and didn't see it.

[Ythan]

BT returns, makes a pretty good post, votes Thunderhog for some reason. There's some anti-Thunderhog stuff in there, but idk whether the vote makes sense to me.

Om DISLIKES the BT post (869). I wish he would explain why. EDIT: Oh, sounds like Om is butthurt over pressure from BT ages ago that was minor enough that I don't even remember it.

You just criticized a post and immediately turned around and wondered why Om did the same.

[Om of the Nom]

No I hadn't been posting for that long in the game without having read anything, I had just kinda skimmed my way along and generalised a lot of things, tat was my way of going in depth to see if I had missed things that I didn't see before.

[Ythan]

Ythan, Wyrd and CHESSKIDhydra have directly accused the other person of grossly misrepresenting what happened in the QT. Inappropriate editorializing has obviously occurred (945).

Does what I said not make perfectly clear sense to you?

[Iecerint]

OK, so here's what needs to happen and should have happened 10 pages ago:

Kawaii, SPB, OD, and CHESSKIDhydra need to ALL indicate whether Fate scumslipped in the QT. This should have been posted immediately way way back when it happened, or at least after the hydra QT was outed. Paraphrasing is obviously permitted, so either paraphrase it or say what's what.

[Iecerint]

Ythan, Wyrd and CHESSKIDhydra have directly accused the other person of grossly misrepresenting what happened in the QT. Inappropriate editorializing has obviously occurred (945).

Does what I said not make perfectly clear sense to you?

You criticized Zoidberg for wanting a clearer picture of what happened. I think all sane players wanted the same thing at that point in the game.

Your point that players would not editorialize inappropriately because they would be called out, while true in a Platonic mafia world, does not apply here because IT HAS NOT HAPPENED. CHESSKIDhydra and/or Wyrd is NECESSARILY radically editorializing, but OD and SPB have declined/refused to clarify.

Scumslips in QTs do happen, and they're free lynches when they do, but OD/SPB's play makes me need to know what is going on. The bizarre bullying that Wyrd proposes is the alternate possibility that, if true, shakes up many of my reads up to that point, but it's crazy for me to believe that that many hydra players are such terrible mafia players, especially some players I respect, so I still want clarity.

[Ythan]

What I said about five hydras

is like basic obvious shit

[Ythan]

I didn't say they would never do it because they would get called out

I SAID IF THEY DID IT THEY WOULD GET CALLED OUT

[Ythan]

Ergo if they DON'T get called out they probably didn't do it. Unless they're all on the same team or the townies were feeling forgiving? idk

[Iecerint]

You just criticized a post and immediately turned around and wondered why Om did the same.

The BT post itself was fine; the Thunderhog vote was iffy only because the wagon didn't exist and IIRC he had suspicions for another player who had a bit of a wagon already (which'll be easier to interpret after a few flips).

[Iecerint]

Ergo if they DON'T get called out they probably didn't do it. Unless they're all on the same team or the townies were feeling forgiving? idk

It is IMPOSSIBLE for both Wyrd and CHESSKIDhydra to be presenting the QT content in an appropriate manner. IMPOSSIBLE.

AT LEAST one of them is bogus.

My GUESS is that CHESSKID is bogus, because I doubt SPB and OD would demure if Wyrd had really scumslipped. That would be retarded on their part. A scumslip is a scumslip.

But Wyrd being the truth-teller means that a bunch of town players wanted to bully Fate for the lolz, including MattP and Faraday, and that pisses me off so much that I don't think it's true, either. IDK maybe they're just embarrassed now or something and that's why they won't clarify.

[Iecerint]

No I hadn't been posting for that long in the game without having read anything, I had just kinda skimmed my way along and generalised a lot of things, tat was my way of going in depth to see if I had missed things that I didn't see before.

Thanks.

[Iecerint]

ic pls let me know when u decide on some scumreads : ]

If you can tell me who's bullshitting between CHESSKIDhydra and Wyrd, I'll have a very clear D1 scumread and lynchvote.

This will also give me the information I need to either go back to my original set of reads, or construct new ones.

[Iecerint]

I remain totally mystified at Om's summary of page 14 (821). WTF.

idgi it makes sense to me. Like I went back to it expecting to see and looking for something insensible and didn't see it.

It's not that the content was mysterious, it's that Om, who'd been one of the most active posters in the game, was doing some unnecessary Days Of Our Lives recap on page 5 for no reason I could discern.

He's now clarified that there was basically no reason other than to document his work on a review/have notes/whatever.

[Iecerint]

DGB: Kawaii vs. OneDirection vs. CHESSKIDhydra -- Why is OneDirection the (top) scum?

[Iecerint]

Mmmmm interesting from Wyrd (782), but it's not like PretentiousHydra is the only hydra in the game. So that's dumb.

I didn't even think of this. This is a good point I think?

It makes Wyrd's point dumb, but I don't think it has much to do with Wyrd's alignment. I think it just shows that Wyrd was pissed at CHESSKID and not thinking clearly, which is probably understandable regardless of whether he was mad at himself for scumslipping or mad at CHESSKID for being an asshat.

At the time I was still halfway in the "Wyrd-scum" camp, cuz that's where I was leaning up until OD and SPB's reactions to the Wyrd revelations made it clearer that something was going on.

[Iecerint]

OK, so, almost 6 hours (lol) after starting my readthrough, I am going to bed.

Now I have to wake up in the morning and go to clinic.

Post 15 more pages for me to read tomorrow plz.

[Ythan]

Ergo if they DON'T get called out they probably didn't do it. Unless they're all on the same team or the townies were feeling forgiving? idk

It is IMPOSSIBLE for both Wyrd and CHESSKIDhydra to be presenting the QT content in an appropriate manner. IMPOSSIBLE.

AT LEAST one of them is bogus.

My GUESS is that CHESSKID is bogus, because I doubt SPB and OD would demure if Wyrd had really scumslipped. That would be retarded on their part. A scumslip is a scumslip.

But Wyrd being the truth-teller means that a bunch of town players wanted to bully Fate for the lolz, including MattP and Faraday, and that pisses me off so much that I don't think it's true, either. IDK maybe they're just embarrassed now or something and that's why they won't clarify.

I'm pretty sure all will be revealed, I can't imagine a situation in which the hydras are unable to clarify this.

[Zoidberg]

Unless they're all on the same team or the townies were feeling forgiving? idk

This was the point I was trying to make.

Unless you, Ythan, already know the alignments of people in the QT then you should be concerned at the different interpretations of what is going on. If most of them are scum your previous excuse of "they'd be outed" no longer applies.

[Zoidberg]

I'm voting OD because there is basically nothing useful that is being posted by them.

I more or less agree. Just finished reading through OD's iso; was underwhelmed.

Re: OD vs DGB, I think there's exactly one scum between those two and I've been really liking DGB's recent logic. OD on the other hand seems content to just post vague half-cases and innuendo.

Based on that exchange DGB is defo town, and since the BT wagon sadly appears to have stalled:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: One Direction

[Pretentiousdra]

Iece, you'll note I never said fate/nuwen scumslipped, just that their posting was akin to a scumclaim. There was no "slip" and Kats was sticking to the fake that he slipped plan at that point in town, which is obviously not going to work now.

That doesn't make him any less scum, but no, there was no scumslip like HEY GUYS NICE MAFIA QT. Just some scummy scummy posts