Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Xegarus]

Wut? Making a RC early is in a long way to a scum tell. And yes, it doesn't stand up as a town tell necessarily, which is why you shouldn't have done it. I think you're one of the few here that doesn't think this is kind of scummy (or at least a bad idea), and it is a very good reason for a vote for you.

In sum, almost never RC, and never claim law student, lol.

I'll agree with you when you say that i don't think of a RC as a scum tell, i see it as a neutral thing.
I would side towards it being a bad idea but thats as far as i would think of it.

But i see Dyrynify's early accusation and even faster vote to be very odd. His reasons for doing so seem to be very small and vague.
Almost as if he is clutching at straws.

He says that i RC'd early so that i could use it in the future.
Now assuming i am scum and i do RC, what good would it really do in the future?
I'm sure a RC is one of the first things people would dismiss if something smelt fishy.
So it really wouldn't be too great a defense on my part.

Also em+'s vote is really concerning me.
Just looks like jumping onto the bandwagon to me. Gives no reason other than

Dyrynify's claim sounds legit and because it's too early in the game for me to deduce anything on my own.

I can't be the only that thinks this is odd.

And Om, you think you could elaborate on that?


REAL LIFE NOTE
I will be away for the majority of the day tomorrow.
I may show if my phones crappy 3G works. Should be away for a day at the very most.

[kitiekatt]

@Xegar-

I think you make a good point that you RC'ing vanilla town right now if you're scum isn't going to do much for you in the future because I think a lot of players are not going to hold on to this RC through the end of the game and give you more town-deference because of it. To say, if you are scum, I don't think you'll be able to hide behind this RC for the whole game.

But I don't think Dyrynify's vote is something hasty. You making the RC was kinda shocking (And I'm still not sure why you did it at all) and looked really bad that you just busted out with it right away.

Em's vote seems to come because D's vote makes sense. We have time till the deadline and if she wants to put her vote somewhere for now, I don't think that's as concerning. I do think it kind of sounds bad the way she put it....but I'm sure she's not trying to say she isn't going to think for herself. I would hope.

[TraceyLyn11]

Senjai has been replaced by the magnificent CF Riot. Welcome him.

[TheDoctor]

Unvote

Vote CF Riot

For assassinating someone and trying to take their place without us noticing

Unvote

/me hopes the mod doesn't kill me for that....

Welcome Riot!

I actually agree that Dyrynify's vote seems a little too hastly, but he saw something scummy and he went for it. I certainly won't vote for him because of it, but I will keep my eye on him. As for you X, your RC did nothing, as of yet, but might help to expose Dyrynify later on. Only time will tell. Even if it does end up helping the town, It's not something I would ever do. This game, to me, is about figuring out things. Investigation. RC'ing, again, for me, kills that to some extent. An RC could be a complete lie, but even a lie gives away a lot of information.

[CF Riot]

Sup, losers.

Vote: TheDoc

If it's not entirely clear yet, claiming vanilla while not under pressure is a bad idea. You can say, "but scum don't know if I'm telling the truth" but really that doesn't mean anything. Most of the time that claim is going to help scum more than town (because hello, helps town none) so don't do it. Bad Xeg. You're in timeout.

[em+p_dear]

Yes, while I don't necissarily think it's scummy, It does seem a little...strange.
I guess I am kind of "bandwagoning" for now though, because we're all pretty much random voting right now anyway and nobody can be lynched unless we get more people voting for the same person. Although, does somebody have to get lynched everyday? Because if not, I may want to retract my vote.

But hey, if you really aren't mafia, they'll come after you soon and I'll either get killed as well or lynched for being a fickle pickle so we can both be dead together. And if you

are

mafia, then...I'll...

I'm going to die either way, aren't I? ;_;

[Smashbard]

Chances are slim that mafia will kill people that sheep easy because they are the easiest to convince to mislynch. Theres nothing official about that. I've just noticed a sure meta pattern with scums keeping week town around as both sheep and easy lynch targets.

[Smashbard]

Ebwop: will not kill

[CF Riot]

You always lynch on D1. You lynch on most days. The reason is lynching is how scum dies. If you don't lynch, scum don't die. Love your lynch.

Nacho, post you barnacle.

[CF Riot]

Also, get avatars you noobs. It's easier to associate a picture with a set of information than a name.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.2

[L-4] Dyrynify: Xegarus

[L-3] Xegarus: Dyrynify, em+p_dear

[L-5] em+p_dear:

[L-4] Om: Smashbard

[L-3] TheDoctor: Om, CF Riot

[L-5] kitiekatt:

[L-5]

Senjai

CF Riot:

[L-5] Smashbard:

[L-5] Nachomamma8:

Not Voting:

3 (Nachomamma8, kitiekatt, TheDoctor)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: January 3, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-03 21:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.
  
• CF Riot has replaced Senjai.

[Nachomamma8]

CF YOU ACTUALLY DID REPLACE IN
IF YOU ARE TOWN WE ARE GOING TO WRECK THIS SHIT

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Nachomamma8, cause they are the only person I have played with before.

HI, NACHO!

Hello. Ready to lynch scum day one again? Good.

I will ask all of you a small series of questions to gauge where we are all coming from. There really isn't a wrong answer to any of these questions. This is just a way to break the ice.

Break the ice and... delay the actual game from beginning. Question 1 is nice for getting to know people, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other threads on site if you want to meet people and find out why they play. Question 2 is... useless, obviously. 3 is also useless. Of course everyone trusts their own reads instead of their own unless someone else is convincing or not. None of these help with scumhunting, all of these add useless things to my thread. Please don't do random questions ever again pretty pretty please. These were less anti-town than they usually are, but that doesn't mean they are good

I'll say this now, i'm a vanilla town.
Whether i'm lying or not is up to you.
But if something doesn't add up, then SOMEONE did lie.

Mmmm... don't do this. If you are lying as town, then your PR claim won't be believed down the road, which is a very, very bad thing, since you would probably be forced to claim when a majority of the town finds you scummy anyways. If you are telling the truth as town, then you're basically saying "hey guys, I make a perfectly good mislynch! Don't kill me!" if they paranoid of you being a PR, they will rolecop you. They will not kill you. If you are mafia, this just brings the spotlight to you.

If i gain nothing, then it doesn't really matter whether i do it or not.
Whats to loose?

If you gain nothing, you probably don't want to do it. You can never really gauge consequences until they are hitting you in the face in most scenarios.

I understand how random questions can be a stupid thing and basically force people to post for the sake of posting. But is that really so bad early on in the game? (thats a serious question)

Yes it is. The opening of games is extremely important, and RQS makes them a lot more muddled, a lot less advantageous for town. If you get the game started early and you don't give scum time to get comfortable, then things get interesting. For example, I normally would call Doctor scum for avoiding things and posting crap (I still probably will), but for now, I don't really know whether he is newbie who doesn't know where to start and so goes with answering random questions, or whether he is scum coasting.

I really like em+d and Dyr for town.

And yeah, gonna vote Doc anyways.

Vote: TheDoctor

[kitiekatt]

Hi Nacho-

I see the vote for Doc cause he answered the random Q's and posting crap, but I'm wondering why. A lot of us answered those random q's (which I think is what you're referencing as posting crap), was there other crap he posted or something other than the answering of the random questions that makes him more scummy? Cause if it's just for answering those questions that could be a lot of people.

[Xegarus]

You always lynch on D1. You lynch on most days. The reason is lynching is how scum dies. If you don't lynch, scum don't die. Love your lynch.

Nacho, post you barnacle.

Are you sure its always good to lynch everyday, especially D1?

If you lynch say on D1, you have a chance of getting scum, which is great but you also have a chance getting town. Now N1, a town will always be killed. So by lynching eveyday, you increase the chance of losing 2 town compared to only loosing 1.
Now i know that eliminating scum is how you win the game for town. But can't that be said as keeping as many townies alive?

Mmmm... don't do this. If you are lying as town, then your PR claim won't be believed down the road, which is a very, very bad thing, since you would probably be forced to claim when a majority of the town finds you scummy anyways. If you are telling the truth as town, then you're basically saying "hey guys, I make a perfectly good mislynch! Don't kill me!" if they paranoid of you being a PR, they will rolecop you. They will not kill you. If you are mafia, this just brings the spotlight to you.

So what you're saying that it's a bad move if i am town or scum. Hence just a bad move altogether?

If you gain nothing, you probably don't want to do it. You can never really gauge consequences until they are hitting you in the face in most scenarios.

Sure, you can't gauge some consequences until it's too late.

I really like em+d and Dyr for town.

Why?
Am i really to close to see exactly whats so town about them?

And yeah, gonna vote Doc anyways.

What is the main reason why?

[Dyrynify]

You always lynch on D1. You lynch on most days. The reason is lynching is how scum dies. If you don't lynch, scum don't die. Love your lynch.

Nacho, post you barnacle.

Are you sure its always good to lynch everyday, especially D1?

If you lynch say on D1, you have a chance of getting scum, which is great but you also have a chance getting town. Now N1, a town will always be killed. So by lynching eveyday, you increase the chance of losing 2 town compared to only loosing 1.
Now i know that eliminating scum is how you win the game for town. But can't that be said as keeping as many townies alive?

YES.

The entire point of this game is to look for inconsistencies in the statements made by others. To gather information that will lead to discovering the scum. Everything, including a town lynch, provides information.

Look at it this way: If you mislynch, then you can look at who pushed that lynch, who abstained, and who defended the lynchee. All of that provides insights into the people involved.

Saying you would rather lessen the available information is either a tremendous noob move, or extremely scummy.

Also: "But can't that be said as keeping as many townies alive?" No. Every town player, alive or dead, wins if town wins. You only need 2 town alive to win. While losing town is regrettable, it is an almost unavoidable part of the game.

[Smashbard]

I would like elaboration as to why theres a wagon on the doctor and why empdear is town. I see dry and xegarus as town. Don't know about nacho. He wan this chummy in our last game. *Wasnt

[Xegarus]

I would like elaboration as to why theres a wagon on the doctor and why empdear is town. I see dry and xegarus as town. Don't know about nacho. He wan this chummy in our last game. *Wasnt

And what was he in your last game?
I know I probably shouldn't ask about previous games as they arn't directly relevant but I'm a little curious now.

[Dyrynify]

Actually, I have not seen a stigma against asking about previous games. In fact, in my other game, I saw many mentions of 'site-meta' as a method of spotting tells in another player.

[Smashbard]

He was town, I was scum. It's not horribly relevant but a contrast I'm taking note of

[Om]

You always lynch on D1. You lynch on most days. The reason is lynching is how scum dies. If you don't lynch, scum don't die. Love your lynch.

Nacho, post you barnacle.

Are you sure its always good to lynch everyday, especially D1?

If you lynch say on D1, you have a chance of getting scum, which is great but you also have a chance getting town. Now N1, a town will always be killed. So by lynching eveyday, you increase the chance of losing 2 town compared to only loosing 1.
Now i know that eliminating scum is how you win the game for town. But can't that be said as keeping as many townies alive?

I'll do statistical anlysis for you I read long time ago and agree to it to make things simple.
Let's take this game setup as an example.
7 town
2 scum

Let's say that the town decide to NL D1, but lynch every day from then, and scum also kills every night.
Day 2: 6 town, 2 scum. (25% chance of hitting scum)
Day 3: 4 town, 2 scum. (33% chance of hitting scum)

Now let's say town lynch D1:
D2: 5 town, 2 scum. (28.5% chance of hitting scum)
Day 3: 3 town, 2 scum. (40% chance of hitting scum)

As you can see, we've a greater chance of hitting scum if we lynch anyone D1. Plus, all that wagon analysis thing for D2. Hence, it's almost always good idea to lynch on D1.

I would like elaboration as to why theres a wagon on the doctor and why empdear is town. I see dry and xegarus as town. Don't know about nacho. He wan this chummy in our last game. *Wasnt

He answered all your random questions, but he completely ignored the most important issue in the thread. Stupid or not, people who don't respond with at least a ''wow!'' or ''wtf'' minimal to something like P1 RC makes me tingly. My vote was on him from RVS, but it is a serious vote now.

[Smashbard]

I actually agree that Dyrynify's vote seems a little too hastly, but he saw something scummy and he went for it. I certainly won't vote for him because of it, but I will keep my eye on him. As for you X, your RC did nothing, as of yet, but might help to expose Dyrynify later on. Only time will tell. Even if it does end up helping the town, It's not something I would ever do. This game, to me, is about figuring out things. Investigation. RC'ing, again, for me, kills that to some extent. An RC could be a complete lie, but even a lie gives away a lot of information.

This seems like commenting on the Roleclaim event to me. Unless everyone has noticed something else major going on beyond Xega's roleclaim that should be discussed.

Regardless, this entire post reeks of fence sitting to me upon review. As well as a few other choice tells. The quick vote, unvote and playful aside about not wanting to be modkilled seems like he's afraid to die, or even draw attention to himself. Could be a very early scum catch here.

Unvote. Vote: TheDoctor

As for you X, your RC did nothing, as of yet, but might help to expose Dyrynify later on. Only time will tell.

To Drynify: What do you suppose TheDoctor means when he says you might be exposed later on? I'd like your take on that.

~Vote tags and quote tags were fixed.

[Smashbard]

How the hell did that happen? Editing fail for the lose.

Unvote. Vote: TheDoctor

[Smashbard]

TheDoctor is at L-1, by the way.

[Dyrynify]

To Drynify: What do you suppose TheDoctor means when he says you might be exposed later on? I'd like your take on that.

Honestly? I have not given it much thought. It seems a lot like fishing to me. Almost like he was hoping I would reflexively shout, "But I am so totally not scum, you guys!" I am not sure he thinks I am scum, but it looks like he might.

I am still not sure how my targeting of a scummy action makes me scummy, but whatever.

I will say that the post quoted by you is a very buddy-buddy post by TheDoctor. Scum buddy level? That remains to be seen.