Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[the director]

VOTE: Majiffy

I feel better now.

LYNCH HIM

[Lastsurvivor]

I agree.

But you haven't mentioned Maenara since I "reminded" you how scummy I was.

Instead you've tried to justify your weak ass case on me and also smeared in some justification for a director lynch while voting neither of us.

It'd be excusable if Maenara hadn't made any posts since the post I linked above but she has. And you haven't commented on them.

So IS Maenara still your highest scum read? Or are you keeping your vote on her because you don't know where else to put it?

PEDIT: Can't we lynch Nacho first, director?

[Lastsurvivor]

Actually I'm fine with a maj lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Majiffy

[Majiffy]

But you haven't mentioned Maenara since I "reminded" you how scummy I was.

I'd like you to explain how the two are related, because you seem to think they are.

Instead you've tried to justify your weak ass case on me and also smeared in some justification for a director lynch while voting neither of us.

Because I prefer a Maenara lynch, obviously.

It'd be excusable if Maenara hadn't made any posts since the post I linked above but she has. And you haven't commented on them.

Do I need to comment on every single post by every single player now? Have you? I thought not.

So IS Maenara still your highest scum read? Or are you keeping your vote on her because you don't know where else to put it?

Yeah you're right I've mentioned several scum reads and yet I'm having a hard time deciding where to put my vote. Totally makes sense.

[Lastsurvivor]

> They're not related. I just chose that point because you mentioned Maenara in the post before that one. What made you think I thought they were related?
> You see, I could buy Maenara still being your highest scum read. But the quote I posted above in which you pushed for my lynch as if you really were voting me means I can't buy it.
> Did I ask you to comment on every single post by every single player? Did I? I think not. However, I would expect you to comment on the posts of your top scum read. And the fact that you still haven't is scummy.
> Well, I mean, you haven't moved your vote.

[Majiffy]

1) Phrasing of the statement. You included two independent events in one complete idea.
2) Pushed for your lynch? When did I do that? I don't recall saying "guys lets lynch LastSurvivor now!"
3) Why is it scummy for me to not have commented on posts I didn't feel merited commenting?
4) No, I have not. I wonder why.

[the director]

Vote this guy dead.

[Majiffy]

You can't run a 'Jiffy style lynch on 'Jiffy, it doesn't work that way.

[Nachomamma8]

fuck you all, walling

Let me repeat myself: I am just stating the grammatical errors because I hate grammatical errors in stuff like briefings and stuff.

I just seen so much of them that I cannot take it any more.

Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.

The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".

The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.


Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.

Most times when I play a game with Nobody Special, I can't read him and just lynch him when I have no more scum suspects. Other times, I'm able to read him when he makes a single post. This game is one of those one post read games, and he's town.

I haven't seen Fizz before, so his reactions could be any sort of newb tell, I'll grant that it could be scummy. I can't decide if he missed that I threw a second vote on Breakfast way back, didn't fall for the bait and didn't jump on a counter wagon, or is scared to vote anywhere because he might look even more scummy.

Aether is just there to cost whichever side he is on a lynch somewhere along the way. I'm not getting sucked in. I also think its foolish to think that reading the role descriptions is scummy. I just completed a game where the mod screwed up one of the role PMs and we had to live with the way it was written for that game, even tho its not how the role is typically used. The guy who caught the error was the town doc, and it was not his role that was messed up.

So all of this analysis is pretty much nothing and I don't like it. The two main focuses of this post are Fizz and Aether, and yet the closest he gets to calling one of them scum or town is... nothing. Not close at all.

Nothing substantial, however some random questions to the lurkers (who you guys are totally letting off the hook, FYI).

So lastsurvivor replaces in, immediately goes lurker hunting. Which is fine and all, especially since he ends up calling Fe the likeliest scum out of all the lurkers! And since he thinks that the town is letting lurkers off the hook, it only makes sense for him to put a vote on Fe in this post!

Tomorrow afternoon you can expect a vote and a list from me hopefully.

...but he doesn't vote Fe at all. He doesn't give reasons why Fe is the most likely scum out of all of the lurkers. He just throws it out there and leaves it at that, which seems an awful lot like distancing to me.

VOTE: Fizz

Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.

WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!

Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?

I'm active lurking??..

Yes you are.

this is just one reaction, but I oddly enough liked most of the reactions people had to Majiffy encoding seal into his posts.
i found the paranoia pretty town, people attacking it pretty town, and people who questioned it still, pretty town..

getting a strong as fuck townread from UCT, but i never trust any reads i make on him
uct, am i right?

Uct I asked you a question can you answer it please thanks

the director I also asked you a question. I'm not sure if you've answered it or not. Also that point about Uct was a joke right?

Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.

While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).

He says Fe is scummy, but continues to defend him anyways.
GET THE FUCK OUT

Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.

when people are offended by majiffy like this, they usually aren't his scumpartners
they are usually just afraid to call him scumfuck you all, walling

Let me repeat myself: I am just stating the grammatical errors because I hate grammatical errors in stuff like briefings and stuff.

I just seen so much of them that I cannot take it any more.

Don't even try being an amateur Grammar Nazi when you're around a Professional Grammar Nazi such as myself.

The bolded should begin "I have seen so many of them..." or perhaps "I have simply seen so much of this type of thing...".

The repetition of the word 'stuff' (in the previous sentence) is more of a style issue rather than grammar, so I won't mention that.


Seriously, play the game and stop wasting time on shit like this.

Most times when I play a game with Nobody Special, I can't read him and just lynch him when I have no more scum suspects. Other times, I'm able to read him when he makes a single post. This game is one of those one post read games, and he's town.

I haven't seen Fizz before, so his reactions could be any sort of newb tell, I'll grant that it could be scummy. I can't decide if he missed that I threw a second vote on Breakfast way back, didn't fall for the bait and didn't jump on a counter wagon, or is scared to vote anywhere because he might look even more scummy.

Aether is just there to cost whichever side he is on a lynch somewhere along the way. I'm not getting sucked in. I also think its foolish to think that reading the role descriptions is scummy. I just completed a game where the mod screwed up one of the role PMs and we had to live with the way it was written for that game, even tho its not how the role is typically used. The guy who caught the error was the town doc, and it was not his role that was messed up.

So all of this analysis is pretty much nothing and I don't like it. The two main focuses of this post are Fizz and Aether, and yet the closest he gets to calling one of them scum or town is... nothing. Not close at all.

Nothing substantial, however some random questions to the lurkers (who you guys are totally letting off the hook, FYI).

So lastsurvivor replaces in, immediately goes lurker hunting. Which is fine and all, especially since he ends up calling Fe the likeliest scum out of all the lurkers! And since he thinks that the town is letting lurkers off the hook, it only makes sense for him to put a vote on Fe in this post!

Tomorrow afternoon you can expect a vote and a list from me hopefully.

...but he doesn't vote Fe at all. He doesn't give reasons why Fe is the most likely scum out of all of the lurkers. He just throws it out there and leaves it at that, which seems an awful lot like distancing to me.

VOTE: Fizz

Best place for my vote now. Rationale is pretty much what other people have been saying. End of post #44 doesn't seem like it's been posted from a town perspective, and he really hasn't addressed that point.

WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!

Okaaay, so you're encoding "kiss from a rose" in your posts. The question is still -- Why?

I'm active lurking??..

Yes you are.

this is just one reaction, but I oddly enough liked most of the reactions people had to Majiffy encoding seal into his posts.
i found the paranoia pretty town, people attacking it pretty town, and people who questioned it still, pretty town..

getting a strong as fuck townread from UCT, but i never trust any reads i make on him
uct, am i right?

Uct I asked you a question can you answer it please thanks

the director I also asked you a question. I'm not sure if you've answered it or not. Also that point about Uct was a joke right?

Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.

While Fe is pretty scummy, post #317 was not scummy at all. I don't understand the reactions to it. Uct, Fizz, The Director, please explain (also the chances of at least one of you being scum is quite high due to that chain of reactions, and I don't think it's uct).

He says Fe is scummy, but continues to defend him anyways.
GET THE FUCK OUT

Im pretty sure Im not completely retarded and I wasn't intentionally blurring the lines which makes it seems more like your are intentionally restricitng the options to make my seem worse than I am. That isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do, I have done a little digging into his meta and come to the conclusion that this my just be a play style thing, but i oculd be something more.

when people are offended by majiffy like this, they usually aren't his scumpartners
they are usually just afraid to call him scum

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fe is just too scared to post and is trying to keep his head down long enough for Fizz or someone else to become the flavor of the moment.

I'm feeling the same way about Fizz really.

you ever get a feeling that a case is writing itself? because that's what I'm feeling right now.
"oh, you think Fe is scum for a reason? I feel exactly the same way about Fizz!"

well then you are objectively the most scummiest looking players in the game. I have no meta with you wrt your scum game but fuck it you just look wrong.

VOTE: fizz

I liked this exchange between mollie/majiffy.
She trusts him at first, gets paranoid, backs down.

Considering switching my vote but I really don't wanna let Fizz off the hook. <_<

read: "considering bussing but I don't want to"

Vote Fe and I'll look at Fizz tomorrow. We have scummier scum to lynch.

Huh. Alright.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fe

THIS IS L-1

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Uct, by the logic of #437, when someone dies in a game, they can't link to it because they died before its completion?

"well, I don't want to hammer, but I don't want to not bus, so I guess I'm stuck doing this"

Here is what I think happened. Fe knew he was going down so Fe tried to help out his scum buddy Majiffy by calling him town leader. When pirate called him out on that, Fe quickly scrambled and plummeted Majiffy to scum with very weak reasoning ... something along the lines of "I read the game again and decided Majiffy is scum". Majiffy then responded by saying Fe claimed scum in an obvious distancing and hard bus.

Excellent point on Maj.

VOTE: Majiffy

Although Mollie's inclusion in the narrative isn't alignment indicative.

Director seems town now that he's not antagonizing people. NS I don't see the case on, for reasons I'll keep to myself until he responds I guess.

and now LS is completely ignoring Fizz?
why?

so yeah

Unvote, Vote: LastSurvivor

[Majiffy]

I used to wallpost like you, then I took a day one lynch to the knee.

[Nachomamma8]

I used to wallpost like you, then I took a day one lynch to the knee.

man that sounds pretty shitty dude
sorry to hear that

[Majiffy]

Sorry to say it.

[Lastsurvivor]

2) Pushed for your lynch? When did I do that? I don't recall saying "guys lets lynch LastSurvivor now!"

Oh sorry you didn't say that. Gosh, I must have been all wrong about you.
Just kidding!

But I will repeat myself just because I like the sound of my own voice.

Just want to know if I should go for Nacho after LS flips scum.

You acted like my flip was going to happen. And you didn't say it, but you certainly implied that it was going to happen soon. Like today.
You can argue that that doesn't mean I'm your highest scum read. But why would you act like a secondary scum read's flip was going to happen sometime soon? And why would you be considering connectional tells (i.e., Nacho is scum if LS is scum) if I was only a secondary scum read?
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Nacho, I'm only responding to things that haven't been discussed to death.

WAIT WAIT
WHERE DID THE FE SCUMREAD GO
it disappeared like magic!

As your scum buddy Maj says....I have multiple scum reads but am limited by one vote. I'm pretty sure I've explained before that I found Fizz scummier than Fe, but if I haven't I just said it.

Wow, LS is pretty good at following up on people when he asks them questions.
Unless it's Fe, of course.

LS never asked Fe a question at that point. And when he did ask Fe a question he followed up on it. So this accusation makes no sense.

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Nacho how do you feel about your flip flop on Fe that I discussed in my case that you eloquently ignored?

[Majiffy]

You acted like my flip was going to happen. And you didn't say it,

but you certainly implied that it was going to happen soon. Like today.

You can argue that that doesn't mean I'm your highest scum read. But why would you act like a secondary scum read's flip was going to happen sometime soon? And why would you be considering connectional tells (i.e., Nacho is scum if LS is scum) if I was only a secondary scum read?

Bolded: Not really. You're just reading into it like that because you're an idiot.

[Lastsurvivor]

I'm glad that you're only responding to the things that you feel that you can respond to and not the main idea.

[Majiffy]

It's kind of a necessary premise to reach the conclusions you're reaching.

[Lastsurvivor]

Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.

1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team. Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.
2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.

To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.

[Nachomamma8]

As your scum buddy Maj says....I have multiple scum reads but am limited by one vote. I'm pretty sure I've explained before that I found Fizz scummier than Fe, but if I haven't I just said it.

just because one is stronger than the other doesn't mean the other one
DISAPPEARS

LS never asked Fe a question at that point. And when he did ask Fe a question he followed up on it. So this accusation makes no sense.

whoops
i thought that you asked him a question in #206, but you specifically didn't
whee

Nacho how do you feel about your flip flop on Fe that I discussed in my case that you eloquently ignored?

?
why would you ask me for my opinion on something that I DID?

[Majiffy]

Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.

1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team.

Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.

2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.

To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.

Bolded: Not how it works. You are a scum read, Maenara is a scum read. I'll accept that my reads may not be accurate. So my having scum reads on both of you does not solidify that you must be the scum team together.

[Nachomamma8]

Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.

1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team. Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.
2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.

To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.

could you point out why you thought that Fe was scum with Fizz?
and then explain one more time why you stopped pushing fizz today?

[penguin_alien]

It seems like there's something to this case on Lastsurvivor, but I still want to hear more from Maenara before I can be convinced by other's points as to why Maenara isn't scum. What is your basis for disregarding your scum read on pirate mollie, and why are you good with sheeping Kmd4390?

WRT Lastsurvivor, it seems awfully easy for him to claim now that it was only in his postings that he made stronger arguments against Fe, but in his mind Fizz was a better lynch? And even his arguments for having a town read on Fe were really weak, as with saying that Fe supposedly considering replacing out was a strong town tell? That's what I'm getting out of his Day One thought train.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm 180ing on Nacho -- I think he's town and the case is good.

VOTE: LS

I'm only interested in Majiffy if LS flips scum, I think.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: LS

Line 'em up, shoot 'em down. Maenara tomorrow I guess.

[Lastsurvivor]

just because one is stronger than the other doesn't mean the other one
DISAPPEARS

It didn't disappear though....
The post you point to in which it apparently disappears (this one 4 reference) is one where I just vote Fizz. Where in there do I indicate or imply that my Fe read is gone? In that post I don't suddenly come up with three scum reads that don't include Fe...

?
why would you ask me for my opinion on something that I DID?

Sorry that was just a snarky way of me pointing out that you ignored my case.
Nacho why did you go from defending Fe like your life depended on it to being ok with his lynch?

Not really. You're pushing two contradictory ideas here.

1) Maenara is your highest scum read. This, obviously, means you think Maenara is a part of the scum team. Since you said I will flip scum, that must mean I'm your second highest scum read, and therefore part of the scum team. Which means that, in your mind, the scum team is Maenara/LS.
2) You considered that I was bussing Nacho. Which means that you think Nacho could be part of the scum team. Which means that you were considering a Nacho/LS scum team.

To reiterate: I have no idea why you would consider an LS/Nacho scum team if Maenara is your highest scum read.

could you point out why you thought that Fe was scum with Fizz?
and then explain one more time why you stopped pushing fizz today?

None of that has anything to do with post 891. But anyway.
I think I've explained before that I don't look for teams on D1 but if I haven't I just did. But if you want a post to say that, here's a good one. Fizz said that Fe was suspicious for a post by Fe that wasn't particularly scummy...and not voting him. Could be distancing.

And I've answered that second question like twice, but Buldermar's (Fizz's replacement) content was fine. At least I thought it was. After reading his ISO I said here that his posts were scummy.

[Lastsurvivor]

WRT Lastsurvivor, it seems awfully easy for him to claim now that it was only in his postings that he made stronger arguments against Fe, but in his mind Fizz was a better lynch? And even his arguments for having a town read on Fe were really weak, as with saying that Fe supposedly considering replacing out was a strong town tell? That's what I'm getting out of his Day One thought train.

Whaaaaa
Where did I say I had a town read on Fe. I didn't. I never said Fe considering replacing out was a strong town tell. O.o

Bolded: Not how it works. You are a scum read, Maenara is a scum read. I'll accept that my reads may not be accurate. So my having scum reads on both of you does not solidify that you must be the scum team together.

No, that's bullshit. You've repeatedly asserted that you think I will flip scum. But you've also asserted that Maenara is your highest scum read. How can you think both of these things and not think that we're the scum team together? That's a huge disconnect. It doesn't make sense for you to be searching for connectional tells from me when I'm not your highest scum read either.

Bork, you realize that Nacho's case on me is just repeating what Kmd and Majiffy have said, right? He's just sheeping while trying to act like he's not by compiling a lot of quotes from my ISO together and typing expletives in all caps.