Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Xegarus]

@Xeg: Seriously. Just vote him.

Sorry, it just looks a whole hell of a lot like you told him what to do, which...

VOTE: Smash

...he then proceded to do, almost as if you and he have some sort of agreement.

Now, Xeg has not really been on the site long enough to have been in another game, so why else is he so buddy-buddy with you? I can think of one reason. Lets take a look here;

It doesn't matter just vote Smash.

Why?

@Xeg: Seriously. Just vote him

VOTE: Smash

Wow, it certainly looks like you are ordering him around. Almost the way a more experienced scum will lead a newbie scum.

So tell me, Xeg, what is your reason? Cause this seems to indicate you had none until told to vote.

I have a reason for voting. But i'll be explaining it later.

[em+p_dear]

I'm...not sure actually. I guess I just debating with myself. I don't know if it would seem conspicuous or not.
Just thinking about what Smash said.

I would like to know the reason of the vote change before moving my vote, but it doesn't look like my vote is getting anything accomplished where it's at right now anyway.

UNVOTE

[Xegarus]

I understand that it looks weird to say the least that you ask me for a reason and i say 'i have one, but i'm not going to tell you'.
But if you trust that i have a reason and believe you understand it, don't mention it.

[Dyrynify]

@CF
Could you sum up briefly why smash is scum?

I think the reason Bard continues to post noise is because he's scum looking for something safe to talk about. Why did you think he was scummy?

I have a reason for voting. But i'll be explaining it later.

Oh, and very nice recovery there! Well, almost a good recovery. After ordering your scum buddy to vote you ask him why he thought Smash was scum! Brilliant! If only Xeg could think of something to say. But a Fantastic Job anyway! /sarcasm

Look, I don't blame you, CF. It is not your fault you got stuck with a newbie scum buddy.

[Dyrynify]

Oh, and I don't believe you have a reason. Not at all. And I will mention it, thank you very little. If you have time to post nonsense like that, you can throw out a sentence with your reason.

Not doing so? SCUMMY.

[Xegarus]

Oh, and I don't believe you have a reason. Not at all. And I will mention it, thank you very little. If you have time to post nonsense like that, you can throw out a sentence with your reason.

Not doing so? SCUMMY.

I will throw a sentence in, but only when the time is right.
Im not going to mention this again so it will be pointless to ask me again.
Also don't think you'll have to remind me about this, i won't be forgetting this anytime soon.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.4

[L-5] Dyrynify:

[L-4] Xegarus: Dyrynify

[L-5] em+p_dear:

[L-5] Om:

[L-2] TheDoctor: Om, Nachomamma8, Smashbard

[L-5] kitiekatt:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-3] Smashbard: CF Riot, Xegarus

[L-5] Nachomamma8:

Not Voting:

3 (kitiekatt, TheDoctor, em+p_dear)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: January 3, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-03 21:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[Smashbard]

For the record I don't find riot to be scum just yet. I think he would bus xegar at this point rather then risk outing each other so soon with such obvious budding. I could be wrong. As wanting to, lynch due to noise is always a policy, lynch. Xegar ifs ungodly riding his coat tails though, which I don't think town would do. Shad go having, hidden reasons for a, vote on page 6 with no night action to go off dds scum advantage.

[Smashbard]

God thhats horrible grammar. I'll post after work.

[Dyrynify]

The time is right whenever you have reason. There is no benefit to withholding your vote reason, but it does make you look scummy.

But, as you say, you won't talk about it anymore. Fine. Just know that is a very scummy action as well. Makes you look like you are waiting on a prearranged signal, which, in case it was not obvious, is something only scum could arrange.

[kitiekatt]

Wow. Consider my jaw dropped. I'm sad I only have one vote. @Smash, I'm interested to see post 132 again when you get home from work, cause I think there's something there, I just can't see it.
@CF, the only reason I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here is cause you've played more than one game, so I know you're not completely oblivious, but that was crazy. Since when did band wagoning become the cool thing to do? @Xegar, if you're to be believed, you're not a power role, and you wouldn't have secret info yet from a night action, so you're mysterious "I'll tell you later" is just disconcerting.

VOTE: Xegar

I'll be waiting for that reason.

[Om]

I understand that it looks weird to say the least that you ask me for a reason and i say 'i have one,

but i'm not going to tell you'

.
But if you trust that i have a reason and believe you understand it, don't mention it.

Why?

[CF Riot]

@Dyr: You're the best scumhunter ever. I'm shaking in my booties now.

@Bard: Shad go having, how am I budding Xeg?

@Katt: What are you talking about? Bandwagons on scum rule.

Just for the record, I have seen many a town withhold giving reasons for whatever action in a game before, including votes.

[CF Riot]

Oh yeah, and Idk why Bard is calling this a policy lynch as I've explained my thought process and explicitly said that it is not.

[Om]

@Dyr: You're the best scumhunter ever. I'm shaking in my booties now.

@Bard: Shad go having, how am I budding Xeg?

@Katt: What are you talking about? Bandwagons on scum rule.

Just for the record, I have seen many a town withhold giving reasons for whatever action in a game before, including votes

.

And I'm yet to see how that's helpful in convincing others to vote for same. Do enlighten VI like me.

[CF Riot]

Well, that's not always the intent. I don't feel super comfortable discussing the issue because I assume Xeg is doing it for a reason but I don't really know what he's trying to achieve and this may throw a wrench in it.

[Dyrynify]

Just for the record, I have seen many a town withhold giving reasons for whatever action in a game before, including votes.

Why does seeing it before make it a good thing to do? As mentioned before, you must convince the other players to come around to your point of view. It would seem, at a casual glance, that any supporting argument you are capable of providing is a boon to this task.

And yet, Xeg refused to provide his mystery reason, and you are defending an action that runs counter to the objectives of the game. WHY? I would expect you to have the most problem, since it was your question Xeg avoided. And yet, here you are, defending him yet again.

And on top of that, you cant even muster an intelligent argument to anything I have said;

@Dyr: You're the best scumhunter ever. I'm shaking in my booties now.

...that's it? The wall of text only illicits a personal attack? you have absolutely nothing else to say?

pedit: Enlighten me, what could he possibly be doing other then scum hunting? Either he is scum hunting, and withholding a supporting argument is stupid, or he is aiming for a completely different goal. What could that be? You tell me. Really. I want to know. Cause every fiber of my being is telling me that is either a very stupid play, or he is scum.

And quite frankly, you are looking scummy right now too. I dislike you jumping in to defend objectively stupid plays. There does not seem to be much point to it, unless you have some reason to want him alive.

[Om]

Well, that's not always the intent. I don't feel super comfortable discussing the issue because I assume Xeg is doing it for a reason but I don't really know what he's trying to achieve and this may throw a wrench in it.

Hollow votes don't achieve anything.

[Smashbard]

For the record I don't find riot to be scum just yet. I think he would bus xegar at this point rather then risk outing each other so soon with such obvious budding. I could be wrong. As wanting to, lynch due to noise is always a policy, lynch. Xegar ifs ungodly riding his coat tails though, which I don't think town would do. Shad go having, hidden reasons for a, vote on page 6 with no night action to go off dds scum advantage.

Edit using an actual keyboard rather than a janky touch screen.


For the record, I don't find CF Riot to be scum just yet. As an experienced player I think he would rather bus Xegarus if he came under pressure rather than make it so horribly obvious that they are buddying/defending each other.

I could be wrong, because wanting to lynch me due to a very weak excuse as if I'm making more noise than anybody else is by definition, a policy lynch. He hasn't once said that I am scum, or even accused me of being scum. But rather, his reasons for getting rid of me are for causing "noise" because I was still participating in relevant conversation.

And yes it was relevant conversation because Xegarus, Nacho and The Doctor were still discussing it. To vote for me means he should be equally willing to vote for Xegar, Nacho or Doctor for participating in the same conversation.

Just because CF Riot says it's not a policy lynch does not make it an obvious, blatant policy lynch. You can't just say "I'm not voting for you" when you are voting for someone and expect anyone to take you seriously.

Xegar is obviously riding on CF Riot's coat tails though. Being that Riot is the experienced player, Xegar was originally being very meek and even directly after Riots defense of him, he continued to fence sit not being sure whether or not he thought I was scummy. That was, until CF Riot started coaching him and directing his vote for Riot wants it, then Xegar suddenly dropped his indecision and voted for me.

For "Reasons" that he will not state. I'm telling you right now, if anybody says they have "Untold Reasons" as to why they are voting for someone as if they have some hidden evidence by page 6 of a game, they are lying scum. Guaranteed. It screams scum information advantage. He knows I'm town, so he wants to act like he has some super secret tech against me when in reality, he has nothing, and just wants to create the air as if he knows what he's doing, when in reality he's just riding off the waves created by CF Riot and trying to add onto them.

Hence why I think Riot could be town. Because Xegarus can mislynch me and then play innocent newbie, keeping CF Riot alive just long enough to frame him Day 2 for leading the town into a mislynch. CF Riot doesn't see it because Xegar is buddying him so Riot is blinded by ego bias because he doesn't have the heart to suspect Xegar of his scumminess because he's the only player who agrees with his suspicions of me.

Unvote. Vote: Xegarus.

Only scum and power roles have excuses to keep secrets. And Xegarus has already claimed Vanilla, so which one do you think he is (everyone)?

[CF Riot]

Just for the record, I have seen many a town withhold giving reasons for whatever action in a game before, including votes.

Why does seeing it before make it a good thing to do?

I didn't say it was a good thing to do, I said I've seen town do it.

pedit: Enlighten me, what could he possibly be doing other then scum hunting?

I didn't say he wasn't scum hunting either.

And quite frankly, you are looking scummy right now too. I dislike you jumping in to defend objectively stupid plays. There does not seem to be much point to it, unless you have some reason to want him alive.

Stupid play doesn't always mean scum play. Especially in a newbie game. If you're town you can check your posts for reference. That's still remains to be seen in my book though. So tl;dr, the point is I've seen enough town do what Xeg's doing to know it's not a scumtell. At least not for certain, like you and Smash are saying.


@Bard: It's still not a policy lynch. You can keep calling it that if you think it will keep people from voting you but it's not. Also ya know that story at the bottom of your post, about Xeg's grand scheme to play me for a chump and how you see through it but I can't cause I'm blinded by my giant ego? Yeah, that was cute.

[Xegarus]

Listen, think about every single possible reason to ever vote for someone. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you have a brain. It is extremely simple and it involves a word some of you have used a bit.
I'm still not going to state it yet because I don't believe the damage is done yet but if you understand my reasoning, I'm sure you'll know what I'm going for.

[Xegarus]

Listen, think about every single possible reason to ever vote for someone. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you have a brain. It is extremely simple and it involves a word some of you have used a bit.
I'm still not going to state it yet because I don't believe the damage is done yet but if you understand my reasoning, I'm sure you'll know what I'm going for.

@kittie
Your reason for voting oon me is all because I I'm not telling anyone the reason for my vote?
In that case, if you were to find out my reason, and it would be sufficient, you would drop the vote?

@smash
Are you sure you're not getting nervous?

[Xegarus]

...........-_-
FUCK
Sorry about the double post having the same things, phones messing with me.

[Smashbard]

@Bard: It's still not a policy lynch. You can keep calling it that if you think it will keep people from voting you but it's not. Also ya know that story at the bottom of your post, about Xeg's grand scheme to play me for a chump and how you see through it but I can't cause I'm blinded by my giant ego? Yeah, that was cute.

@CF Riot: It's still a policy lynch. You can keep calling it not if you think it will help get people to sheep your wagon on me, but it's still policy. Also ya know that time where you voted for me without really having a reason for voting for me beyond what you perceive to be noise that 3-4 other players have participated in the same time I did? Yeah, that was cute.

[Xegarus]

Hey smash, remember when you voted for Doc and made sure you reminded everyone he was L-1, yeh that was cute. Hoped someone else would just jump?