Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Smashbard]

@smash
Are you sure you're not getting nervous?

To be nervous I would have to

A) Be scum

and B) Believe that I was going to get lynched.

Which I am neither of those. If the town collectively would decide to lynch me because of CF Riot's extremely weak reasoning, I wouldn't have any sour grapes. Because I have defended myself adequately, and let a paper trail for people to look back on based on who I called out as scummy.

If your reason for voting for me is so blatantly obvious that anyone paying attention could call it out and then jump on my wagon because of the brilliance of your case, then if you were town you would say it and try to get the player you feel is scummiest lynched. Instead, you're holding back because you're scum, you know I'm town, and you know that anything you say at this point isn't going to be worth the hype and you're afraid of attention shifting towards you en masse for how scummy you've been since the start of this day phase.

I thought you were just uninformed town trying to learn the game. But I'm quickly realizing otherwise.

Hey smash, remember when you voted for Doc and made sure you reminded everyone he was L-1, yeh that was cute. Hoped someone else would just jump?

Lol. Cute. You're making my job real easy and you don't even realize it.

I mentioned The Doctor was at L-1 for the precise OPPOSITE reason, so that newb scum like yourself couldn't just hop on the quick hammer and than feign innocence Day 2 as if you didn't know what the vote count was.

What, a little frustrated that I pointed that out before you could hammer him?

No no, no. Seriously. PLEASE tell me how it makes any sense for town or scum to specifically mention that the Doc was at L-1, with the hopes that somebody would see that as a queue to JUMP ON THE WAGON.

I almost don't want you lynched, you've made me laugh quite a bit in the past 20 minutes. I don't want to lose that entertainment, but I also don't want to lose this game. So...you kinda have to go.

[CF Riot]

=) I'm not sure you understand exactly what "policy lynch" means. I know you're not the only one who was discussing that topic, but here's the thing. You were dragging it out more than others plus your first post with the whole RQS thing was another example of non-scumhunting posting from you. Looking at your iso, posts 22, 26, 27, 56, and 91 are all spent talking about what is good or bad play but none of them have anything to do with finding scum. Noise noise noise. So yeah, other people posted noise too, but

the ratio

of your noise posts to scumhunting posts is worse. Specifically in regards to Xeg, it looks like you're trying to make a bigger deal out of the issue than it was and avoiding doing much else. Check this out too. Originally in post 66 you say you townread Xeg but then look at post 92.

EBWOP: In case I wasn't clear about this, if that post doesn't convince you that claiming was a bad move, I'm moving my vote to you and advocating your lynch, Xegar. Because now you've become a liability, and I would rather risk mislynching by voting you than allowing you to stay alive when keeping you around means the chances of me dying in the night are increased.

You want to talk about policy lynches? THAT is what a policy lynch is. You literally say he may be town but you'd lynch him anyways because he's a liability. I'm saying you're scum posting scummily for scummy reasons. That's the difference between a policy lynch (you) and a super awesome scum lynch (me).

[Smashbard]

See, the difference between you and me is that I will admit when I am voting for someone based solely on policy. Apparently you're not willing to take that same risk and lose face in case you're wrong. Who's the scummy one here again? (Hint, it's not me).

I've admitted that I believed Xegar was town early on, and that read had no changed by the time I threatened to vote for him. I don't see the problem here. I legitimately said that I would rather risk a mislynch on him than keep him around if he were to continue thinking what he did by claiming was the right move.


I'll tell you what, you continue reiterating over and over again that your vote on me is not based on policy. We'll see how far it gets you, aaaand I'll go ahead and start paying attention to other players not named CF Riot/Xegarus, so that I can catch other people who are taking advantage of our argument as an excuse to lay low. I've already refuted your case on me about...a billion times now. So if you choose to be stuck on it and tunnel me, that's your perogative. Just now that you're scumdar is way off track, and it would help if you could think objectively rather than just continue to let Xegar stroke your ego allowing you to feel that the Big Bad Smashbard is evil for even daring to lay suspicion on your buddy.

[Smashbard]

Because what's important is that I convince everybody else that your case on me is nothing but policy, and so far, it sounds like guys like Dry, Doc, Kittie and Om all realize that your case is too weak to warrant a vote. You're quickly running out of allies buying into your bullshit. So I'd suggest you find something else to accuse me of, or risk being totally irrelevant due to being so stuck tunneling one player and defending Xegar rather than doing actual scumhunting yourself. Pot, meet kettle. I'll be making tea.

[CF Riot]

Bard you crack me up. You seriously don't understand how policy lynches work though. And you didn't refute my case, you just said "they did it too" like that means anything and now I've explained the difference between you and everybody else so you can't even use that anymore.

[TheDoctor]

Bard you crack me up. You seriously don't understand how policy lynches work though. And you didn't refute my case, you just said "they did it too" like that means anything and now I've explained the difference between you and everybody else so you can't even use that anymore.

Actually, I have to agree with Bard. He placed the vote because he felt that Xeg was a danger to the town. Since then CF has seemed to defend Xeg quite a bit, and it looks to me like a badly performing scum team.

Plus, this:

Hey smash, remember when you voted for Doc and made sure you reminded everyone he was L-1, yeh that was cute. Hoped someone else would just jump?

seems like a scum mentality. As town, I would have seen that as a yellow light/yield sign, to stop and think before placing more votes. Xegarus, you saw it as a green light for an easy lynch.

VOTE: Xegarus

[TheDoctor]

Also, I think that's L-1

[Om]

TheDoctor wrote: it looks to me like a badly performing scum team.

I don't think CF is stupid enough to have his supposed partner RC on P1. Even if by chance it was not what he intended, jumping on your wagon and actually getting you lynched would be much much easier for him then trying to form new one by tunneling Brad. That to with someone like Xeg or should I say his alleged partner according to you?

Where is our IC when you need one?

[Xegarus]

Well L-1 is as good of a reason i can get for explaining my vote.

My vote on Smash was to pressure him.
But then Dyr starting biting my ass and then kittie joined pressuring me.
Pressuring doesn't help when others pressure you. I couldn't just flat out say it (cause that kinda defeats the purpose) but i tried to hint it anyway i could.
In the hopes that some of you would stfu for just a little while.

I legitimately said that I would rather risk a mislynch on him than keep him around if he were to continue thinking what he did by claiming was the right move.

Thats complete bullshit.
I have said a few times that i do acknowledge that it was a bad move.

Sing a new song, would ya.

So Doc, your voting on me for being a bad scum with CF?

Why vote for the bad scum?
Surely it would be much easier to vote on the stronger scum and then finish the other off.

[TheDoctor]

Actually, I'm voting you because you would be less of a loss to the town if you turn out to be town.

[Xegarus]

Actually, I'm voting you because you would be less of a loss to the town if you turn out to be town.

So you're policy lynching.
Well, can't refute that.

So Dyr has thought i was scummy since the RC and i can probably assume my lack of reason for the vote cemented it..
Kittie and Smash for the lack of reason on the voting.

Or am i mistaken at all?

[Dyrynify]

So tl;dr, the point is I've seen enough town do what Xeg's doing to know it's not a scumtell. At least not for certain, like you and Smash are saying.

...and? I have seen scum do towny things. Does that mean they were not scum? No. Just because plenty of town do those things does not mean scum don't do them too.

And again, because there are no objective scum tells, I am going to reserve my right to keep my vote on him. All of his play so far is incredibly scummy, in my opinion.

Oh, and before you jump on me again, if you want my vote removed, it is your job to convince me that it needs to be removed. Your little, "I saw this before, it is not scummy." does not cut the mustard on that point.

And lets look at your post, shall we? Here we go:

I didn't say he wasn't scum hunting either.

How the hell do you know? And why, when you are jumping all over everyone else, do you ignore, and defend, a player who completely blew off your question? WHY ARE YOU SUCH A BUDDY WITH XEG? What benefit are you deriving from defending all his actions? WHY DO YOU NEED HIM ALIVE SO BAD? If you are serious about not being scum, I need a really good reason why you are doing this. The only reason I can imagine is you have a scum reason.

Stupid play doesn't always mean scum play. Especially in a newbie game. If you're town you can check your posts for reference. That's still remains to be seen in my book though. So tl;dr, the point is I've seen enough town do what Xeg's doing to know it's not a scumtell. At least not for certain, like you and Smash are saying.

And you ignore the important part of what I said, once again. So, I will make sure you see it this time:

YOU

[Dyrynify]

EDIT: posted early for some reason.

CF, YOU ARE SCUM, AND AFTER WE LYNCH XEG, I WILL BE COMING AFTER YOU.

Now, actually respond to that, please.

@xeg: The RC, the refusal to reveal reason, and then the crappy reason itself. Pressure still works, even if the person knows they are being pressured. That was a really stupid reason to hold in reserve, especially when all it did, in the grand scheme, is make you look worse.

[Nachomamma8]

Could you possibly be a little more non committal, Doc? Thanks.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had to commit to anything. Let me fix that. I don't have a fucking clue if he is town or not.

Could you attempt to read him?

Say if a scumcop chooses X as their role target. Would he be given his role and then still be allowed to kill him during the same night?
Or would he be given the information at a later time?

No, he gets the information the next morning.

It would seem, at a casual glance, that any supporting argument you are capable of providing is a boon to this task.

But occasionally you want to see people squirm a little bit before throwing out all of your cards on the table. Sometimes I like voting people without reasons to see how they react.

Only scum and power roles have excuses to keep secrets.

This is patently incorrect, as Riot has already stated. Is this your only reason for voting?

Actually, I have to agree with Bard. He placed the vote because he felt that Xeg was a danger to the town. Since then CF has seemed to defend Xeg quite a bit, and it looks to me like a badly performing scum team.

Why do they seem like a badly performing scumteam?

seems like a scum mentality. As town, I would have seen that as a yellow light/yield sign, to stop and think before placing more votes. Xegarus, you saw it as a green light for an easy lynch.

Why do you say he saw it as the green light for an easy lynch?

Where is our IC when you need one?

Any questions for me?

[Nachomamma8]

Double posting on purpose so this post is EXTRA short and people pay EXTRA attention to this.

Actually, I'm voting you because you would be less of a loss to the town if you turn out to be town.

This is bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Doctor is not taking a position on

anyone

, yet is happy to put someone at L-1 just because he thinks they will prove to be less of a loss to the town if they flip town? The point of this game is to lynch scum, and nothing in Doctor's ISO proves that he's even attempting this.

[CF Riot]

I'm pediting from another post but I'm glad Nacho is back. Stick around holmes, I want some of your reads. They may be in your post, I haven't read it yet.

[Nachomamma8]

dyr, xeg, em+p, you, smash townreads
doctor scumread
preference of katiekatt over om

[Om]

@Nacho, Not anymore.

[CF Riot]

Where is our IC when you need one?

True dat. (Never mind. :D)

So tl;dr, the point is I've seen enough town do what Xeg's doing to know it's not a scumtell. At least not for certain, like you and Smash are saying.

...and? I have seen scum do towny things. Does that mean they were not scum? No. Just because plenty of town do those things does not mean scum don't do them too.

You don't know how to play this game, do you?

Oh, and before you jump on me again, if you want my vote removed, it is your job to convince me that it needs to be removed. Your little, "I saw this before, it is not scummy." does not cut the mustard on that point.

What exactly would cut the mustard then? Cause see in this weird world I live in, explaining that all the reasons you're voting someone are things town often do is usually how it works. If you're sticking to him being scummy for things I've straight up told you town do all the time, then the burden of proof is on you. Explain to me why these actions are scummy in this game. To me it just looks like you're having a knee jerk reaction to vote someone who's doing things you don't understand.

I didn't say he wasn't scum hunting either.

How the hell do you know? And why, when you are jumping all over everyone else, do you ignore, and defend, a player who completely blew off your question? WHY ARE YOU SUCH A BUDDY WITH XEG? What benefit are you deriving from defending all his actions?

I didn't know, but I kind of figured. Probably cause I've played this game before. I don't think I'm jumping on "everyone" else. Despite what some of you seemed to think, I know players usually don't just get to ride till the end of the day with, "I have a reason but I'll tell you later." Later eventually comes, so it didn't bother me that he didn't answer right away. That was a towntell, imo. It shows he isn't afraid to tell people "no." Scum are appeasing because they want to be on everyone's good side. And he's right on the pressure thing, you're not. Pressure works better if you don't explicitly tell the person you're pressuring that's what you're doing. As for you trying to scare me with lynch threats, /shrug. Come at me, bro.

Xeg, what's your read of Smash now that the cats out of the bag?

[Nachomamma8]

EBWOP:

dyr, xeg, em+p, you, smash townreads
doctor scumread
preference of katiekatt over om

for scum

[Nachomamma8]

CF, I think you might be reverting to wallposting riot again.

[CF Riot]

I know, it's scary. It's a newbie game and I have a compulsion to explain to people exactly why they're wrong about stuff.

[Xegarus]

@CF

- My read on him is scum.

Especially since xegar is sheeping riot s point that, this was settled on page 2.

could one or both be getting nervous? hmm.,

This reaction isn't coming from town. If he was town, he would've just stated his opinion instead of asking it and adding the extra "hmm.." at the end.

@Smash

I'm telling you right now, if anybody says they have "Untold Reasons" as to why they are voting for someone as if they have some hidden evidence by page 6 of a game, they are lying scum. Guaranteed. It screams scum information advantage. He knows I'm town, so he wants to act like he has some super secret tech against me

This is just the worst attack anyone could ever come up with. It makes him look scummy considering his experience.

[Xegarus]

It makes you* (look scummy)

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

[L-5] Dyrynify:

[L-1] Xegarus: Dyrynify, kitiekatt, Smashbard, TheDoctor

[L-5] em+p_dear:

[L-5] Om:

[L-3] TheDoctor: Om, Nachomamma8

[L-5] kitiekatt:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-3] Smashbard: CF Riot, Xegarus

[L-5] Nachomamma8:

Not Voting:

1 (em+p_dear)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: January 3, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-03 21:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.