Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[kitiekatt]

@ Xegar- I didn't vote you just cause of you withholding your reason for voting Smash. It was also the RC. Those are the two big reasons. The RC alone wasn't enough to do it but the reason withholding did it for me. I agree with what others are saying that the pressure can work even if it is known to be pressure. Did you feel Smash was scummy before CF said anything? Why did you so readily run with what CF was asking you to do at the time?

@CF Bandwagoning scum is good if it actually gets scum lynched. But if we don't know who is scum and don't have any night information yet, then bandwagoning with no reason gives us less info to work off of. If we talk it out, we can still see who jumps on a vote (just like we would in a bandwagon), but we also have their reasoning behind it.

@Nacho- Why do you have a preference for me as scum?

@Nacho, Not anymore.

Om, What does this post mean? I'm not getting it in the context of Nacho's post before it.

PS- Sorry I can't quote everyone else that I spoke to in this post, I don't know how to quote multiple posts yet when I post.

[CF Riot]

If they're all on the same page, you can click that little Q+ box next to the quote button of all the posts you want quoted, then hit reply at the bottom of the page to put them all in the reply. Otherwise you just have to open multiple tabs or pages, hit quote, copy all the text, then paste each quote into the reply box you intend to use.

Would like to know how Smash feels about Xeg revealing his motivation behind his vote.

[Om]

@ Xegar- I didn't vote you just cause of you withholding your reason for voting Smash. It was also the RC. Those are the two big reasons. The RC alone wasn't enough to do it but the reason withholding did it for me. I agree with what others are saying that the pressure can work even if it is known to be pressure. Did you feel Smash was scummy before CF said anything? Why did you so readily run with what CF was asking you to do at the time?

@CF Bandwagoning scum is good if it actually gets scum lynched. But if we don't know who is scum and don't have any night information yet, then bandwagoning with no reason gives us less info to work off of. If we talk it out, we can still see who jumps on a vote (just like we would in a bandwagon), but we also have their reasoning behind it.

@Nacho- Why do you have a preference for me as scum?

@Nacho, Not anymore.

Om, What does this post mean? I'm not getting it in the context of Nacho's post before it.

PS- Sorry I can't quote everyone else that I spoke to in this post, I don't know how to quote multiple posts yet when I post.

I wanted to have his input on validity of Xeg not giving reason for his vote thingy on Brad as he is the only other experienced player directly involved in that argument (CF/Brad thing). He did exactly that and my question about it was answered before asking.

What's your take on TheDoctor wagon?

[Om]

who was not directly involved*

ooops

[CF Riot]

I'm totally calling him Brad for the rest of the game now.

[Om]

I'm totally calling him Brad for the rest of the game now.

Lol I was sure it was Brad not Bard till I read this. <.<

[Nachomamma8]

hey xegarus, what did you think of the person who put you at L-1?

@Nacho- Why do you have a preference for me as scum?

You haven't exactly done anything too townish quite yet. Most other people have.

[Smashbard]

Unvote.

I want to be clear, I still believe Xegarus is the scummiest person thus far. But since he caved his reasons for voting me once he hit L-1 I'd rather not lynch him just yet before I've had a chance to analyze the other players this game.

[kitiekatt]

Thanks CF!

What's your take on TheDoctor wagon?

I seriously had no idea why it was going on until Nacho I think it was clarified that it was because, from what I gathered, he was talking less about game stuff and had just answered the random q's. It struck me as odd for CF to jump on right away, but he had his reasons, and then when Nacho came on I just assumed Brad (haha, loving it!) felt more comfortable coming in after an IC weighed in on it. I still don't really get a scum read off of Doc, I did an unvote (albeit not in the same post) and was worried myself about annoying the mod....I also initially had some real misgivings with posting things just for the sake of sharing my opinion, and didn't post as much as I would have liked in the first few pages cause I didn't have this fantastic original thought or question. So I guess it seems less scummy to me. I'm not ruling him out I just didn't jump on the wagon.

[Nachomamma8]

Is he in your top 2 suspects?

[Om]

Unvote.

I want to be clear, I still believe Xegarus is the scummiest person thus far. But since he caved his reasons for voting me once he hit L-1 I'd rather not lynch him just yet before I've had a chance to analyze the other players this game.

Before you voted Xeg for his unwillingness to share his reason, you were voting for Doc. There is absolutely nothing else has happened in the thread between time of you unvoting Doc and voting Xeg. So, now that Xeg has explained his reasons, why the delay before going back on Doc?

Thanks CF!

What's your take on TheDoctor wagon?

I seriously had no idea why it was going on until Nacho I think it was clarified that it was because, from what I gathered, he was talking less about game stuff and had just answered the random q's. It struck me as odd for CF to jump on right away, but he had his reasons, and then when Nacho came on I just assumed Brad (haha, loving it!) felt more comfortable coming in after an IC weighed in on it. I still don't really get a scum read off of Doc, I did an unvote (albeit not in the same post) and was worried myself about annoying the mod....I also initially had some real misgivings with posting things just for the sake of sharing my opinion, and didn't post as much as I would have liked in the first few pages cause I didn't have this fantastic original thought or question. So I guess it seems less scummy to me. I'm not ruling him out I just didn't jump on the wagon.

Could you try to re-evaluate both Doc and Xeg by going trough their ISO and tell me what you think again, if possible?

@Nacho;
Why are you in so many games at the same time? -.-'
I tried to look for your most recent scum & town flipped games but I got lost in your post clutter of current games and failed. Could you point me in the right direction?

@CD & @Bard, I would like to request same from both of you as well.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.6

[L-5] Dyrynify:

[L-2] Xegarus: Dyrynify, kitiekatt, TheDoctor

[L-5] em+p_dear:

[L-5] Om:

[L-3] TheDoctor: Om, Nachomamma8

[L-5] kitiekatt:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-3] Smashbard: CF Riot, Xegarus

[L-5] Nachomamma8:

Not Voting:

2 (em+p_dear, Smashbard)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: January 3, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-03 21:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[CF Riot]

Who's CD? Is that me?

Tracey you still have Senjai's name on the votecount where I should be.

~Thanks. All vote counts since you replaced in are now fixed.

(How do I keep missing this stuff?!)

[kitiekatt]

Is he in your top 2 suspects?

Yeah, it's Xegar and then him (but Xegar is pretty scummy). I'm not seeing the scum in Smash.

[Nachomamma8]

I tried to look for your most recent scum & town flipped games but I got lost in your post clutter of current games and failed. Could you point me in the right direction?

Here is my most recent newbie game that hasn't made it to the wiki yet.
Here is my wiki, which will give you all of the recent games you will ever desire.
Also, clicking 'search by topic' is usually much more manageable in looking through posts.

Is he in your top 2 suspects?

Yeah, it's Xegar and then him (but Xegar is pretty scummy). I'm not seeing the scum in Smash.

What do you think of Xegar's outed reason?

[kitiekatt]

Is he in your top 2 suspects?

Yeah, it's Xegar and then him (but Xegar is pretty scummy). I'm not seeing the scum in Smash.

What do you think of Xegar's outed reason?

Like I said before, I think you can put pressure on someone while still saying it, so I think it was another bad move of him to hush up and act all secretive about it. I think pressure while being stated can be much more effective, and unless there's role alliances I don't see how he expected to build up pressure besides his own vote (which didn't put Smash at L-1, so wasn't it's own pressure by itself) with such a wishy-washy answer when he was already looking scummy to so many people. It doesn't add up to me.

Could you try to re-evaluate both Doc and Xeg by going trough their ISO and tell me what you think again, if possible?

Are you looking for me to say something specific here Om, or are you just not satisfied with my take? Request kind of sounds like a teacher whose student got the answer wrong, but you don't wanna say they're wrong, so I'm wondering if that's how you meant it or not?

[Nachomamma8]

Like I said before, I think you can put pressure on someone while still saying it, so I think it was another bad move of him to hush up and act all secretive about it. I think pressure while being stated can be much more effective, and unless there's role alliances I don't see how he expected to build up pressure besides his own vote (which didn't put Smash at L-1, so wasn't it's own pressure by itself) with such a wishy-washy answer when he was already looking scummy to so many people. It doesn't add up to me.

Being ineffective and making a scum-motivated vote are two very, very different things. Why do you think Xegar as scum refused to share his reasons for voting Smash when he was already in trouble for making the early role claim?

[Om]

Who's CD? Is that me?

Yes, it was a typo.
Damn! I might have everyone's names changed by the time we are done with the game ;-;
I should start using preview option.

I tried to look for your most recent scum & town flipped games but I got lost in your post clutter of current games and failed. Could you point me in the right direction?

Here is my most recent newbie game that hasn't made it to the wiki yet.
Here is my wiki, which will give you all of the recent games you will ever desire.
Also, clicking 'search by topic' is usually much more manageable in looking through posts.

Thank you!

Are you looking for me to say something specific here Om, or are you just not satisfied with my take? Request kind of sounds like a teacher whose student got the answer wrong, but you don't wanna say they're wrong, so I'm wondering if that's how you meant it or not?

I'm just wondering why my top town read (for not good reason) is on L-1 rather then my top scum read. So, yes, you can say I'm not satisfied with it if that helps.

[Om]

Smash unvoted so L-2*

[kitiekatt]

ok. I've got a brief due in 3 days, so I'll try and do the ISOs either tomorrow night, or Sunday night. Complete with fancy multiple quotes now that I know how to do it. That should also answer your questions/concerns too Nacho.
@Om, Is Xegar your top town read for good reasons or for no good reason? That part in the parentheses confused me.

[CF Riot]

^lol

[CF Riot]

Scum
Town: 1 2 3

The scum game is kind of weak cause my partner flaked beginning of D2, then some other players did too and the game pretty much just fell apart. The next most recent scum game I had before that is over 2 years old I think. Multiple town games cause some of them have weird setups and others I replaced in so idk how that will affect your read.

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA from now until the 26th

Christmas duties call. I hopefully will be around some, but I might not be, so declaring V/LA just in case.

~Noted.

[Smashbard]

Sorry for the delay. I just recently downloaded Lord of the Rings Online and my time has been occupied with that. I WILL be rereading the thread tonight though and will definitely post a complete list of reads based on each player in the game thus far.

[Smashbard]

Just a note right now, I realize that only two scum can be in this set up, and that I have more than two suspects. That’s because I want to avoid having any sort of “null tells” because that doesn’t do anybody any good to say “Well this person hasn’t done enough for a legitimate read”. I find that to be a cop out as an excuse to not have to really formulate a person about someone.

Spoiler:

Town:
CF Riot – The only scummy thing coming out of him is constant the constant defense of Xegarus. But post #168 is the most compelling argument for convincing me that Xegar could be town. Scum definitely don’t go against the grain as much as a stubborn town would. So Xegar telling people “no”, however frustrating, is an objective town tell.

Dyrynify: I feel like he’s suffered the same bias as I have and got caught up in thinking Xegar/CF Riot were taking the gold for most obvious scumteam of all time, but when he finds something scummy, he jumps on it without fear of whether or not it’s a popular move.

Nachomamma: I wasn’t sure about Nacho at first but their very hard pressing of TheDoctor and Kitiekat is definitely showing an interest in trying to get to the core of player motivations. I still don’t quite understand why he’s solidly believed Xegar is town despite everything that’s happened but I’m taking his word for it, for now.

Om: Equally as attentive to scummy behavior as Dyrnify, he’s questioned everything that came across as remotely scummy so far this game. I’d like to know why he also believes Xegar is his top town read, but other than that he reads like a Mini Nacho to me.

Xegarus: I honestly want this guy to be scum more than anyone else. But I can’t deny that three of my town reads (Nacho, Riot & Om) all believe Xegar to be strongly town. I don’t get it, and I could of believed that Riot was just Xegar’s scumbuddy defending him. But I can’t believe that all of these pro-town dudes are scum partners of Xegar. For now, I reluctantly concede that he’s not today’s lynch.


Scum:

Emp-Dear: Post #39 hasn’t set well with me since the beginning of the game. I just can’t put my finger on WHY it bothers me. I get the same feeling from #55. I don’t know I just get this feeling that he’s been playing it real safe so far as to not rock the boat too much with his own thoughts. Call it a gut scum read.

Kitiekat: Post #51 is an extremely safe post. S/he doesn’t do any actual scumhunting at all, yet posts about 3 paragraphs explaining why each of three different players actions are not scummy to him/her. Also admitting that they didn’t even realize why a Doc wagon was happening when he got all the way to L-1 is dangerously close to not paying attention. Other than that since they’ve been actually asking questions lately makes me feel a little better. So this is probably my weakest scumread.


The Doctor: Post #53 seems way too eerily similar to Kitiekats Post #51…very convenient timing for them both to say basically the exact same thing about Xegar & Dyrynify. Both equally as wishy washy. If either of those two were to flip scum, I would have a strong gut read on the other being the partner.

TL;DR:


Town:
CF Riot
Dyrynify
Nachomamma
Om
Xegarus


Scum:
Emp
Kitiekat
The Doctor