Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[pirate mollie]

are you a science major kmd?

[Kmd4390]

No.

[Maenara]

Bluh. So, I suppose I can't do the KMD-sheeping thing now, can I?

That's no cool.

Guess I'll have to read this all proper-like, then.

[the director]

Merry Christmas!

[uctriton00]

what the hell is 1050 - 1052 about? science majors, and sheeping?

And KMD what are you trying to prove with your self vote?

[Nachomamma8]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Nachomamma8]

i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.

can we just lynch maenara?
because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.
and fuck that wall of crud shit, and the recent shit is bullshit.
just let her die. let her die now.

Vote: Maenara

[Kmd4390]

Uct, that the pet theory mollie keeps bringing up is wrong. She seems to be a good scumhunter and can probably help this town once we have a town flip from me or NS. If we lynch NS today like I originally proposed, there's still a chance he flips scum in which case I die anyway under my proposal.

Think about it:
-Lynch NS
---He flips scum. There's still the distraction of the theory.
---He flips town. Problem solved as far as the theory, but we lost a lynch.
-Lynch me
---I'll flip town and this BS is behind us and the game can go on. NS can still be lynched, but for his play, not the theory.

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Nacho, Maenara is obvtown.

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I'm not liking Fe right now, for the same reasons as Number Six isn't liking him.

VOTE: Fizz

Pings me as scummier than Fe and I'm more convinced this wagon is town driven than I am about the Fe wagon.

Seriously what am I supposed to be looking at? How one person that isn't Fe played scum in one instance?

What don't you agree with? I don't think that town-Nacho would make the argument that he's making about Fe being town. I don't have a terribly good read on Fe, but to cherry pick a tiny group of newbies, make vague generalizations about how they play as town and scum, link to ISOs with no further granularity or explanation, and somehow handwave that into Fe = town all while misrepping me seems like a lack of a genuine attempt at scumhunting.

I'm fine with Fe dying, and we've got a quorum for it, but this is where I stand and I at least want to know everyone else's opinions on his contributions thus far.

Doesn't like Fe-> Fizz is scummier than Fe -> Defending Fe -> Doesn't have a good read on Fe -> Fine with Fe dying

How could I have been so blind?

Can Bork be lynched tomorrow???

[penguin_alien]

Maenara talking about wanting to sheep isn't very pro-town either, but I'm more interested in how we ended up lynching Lastsurvivor yesterday based off a bunch of mud-slinging.

And why did Nobody Special put down the L-1 vote and then tell us to hammer at will? And the director went with it? Without asking for a claim? That's not how I've seen things proceed when town are hunting scum.

the director has generally at least been active and scum-hunting during the game (although if he'd like to explain what he thinks I've done that's suspicious that'd be cool) and I suppose warned that he'd be hammering when someone put Lastsurvivor at L-1 a la #960. As such, at the risk of being a broken record, I think Nobody Special has been very scummy for multiple day phases and keeps getting a pass from any real pressure.

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, Maenara is obvtown.

why?

[Nachomamma8]

kmd do you promise?
are you sure you don't find her obvtown because she is buddying you to shit?

[the director]

the director has generally at least been active and scum-hunting during the game (although if he'd like to explain what he thinks I've done that's suspicious that'd be cool)

1. You were part of the starting cast on page one and have posted a grand total of 28 times. That is less than one post per page. That is like 2% of the over 1000 posts in the game. If this isn't the definition of active lurking, I don't know what is.

2. Despite your active lurking, as soon as LS was hammered you were in thread and posting and immediately got on my case for hammering LS without a claim. This leads me to believe you know what LS was going to flip and wanted to look like a town angry that LS hadn't had time to claim. It also leads me to believe that you are keeping up with the game but are just to scared to post so you are posting a bit here and there and just riding the days to get to your night kill.

You aren't hiding in the shadows anymore. I'm going to shine the limelight on you and watch you dance.

VOTE: penguin

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Penguin

[Kmd4390]

Nacho, this is why I think maenara is obvtown:

If you need reason to stop the Maenara wagon (aside from the wagon being bad to begin with), refer to Fe calling Aether on a scum slip in the first quote of my last post.

That and aether looked obvtown to begin with.

[the director]

KMD and penguin seem to be actively ignoring interacting with each other. In fact they look like bf gf who are having a fight and aren't talking to each other.

If someone puts KMD back at L-1 I will hammer.

[pirate mollie]

the director has generally at least been active and scum-hunting during the game (although if he'd like to explain what he thinks I've done that's suspicious that'd be cool)

1. You were part of the starting cast on page one and have posted a grand total of 28 times. That is less than one post per page. That is like 2% of the over 1000 posts in the game. If this isn't the definition of active lurking, I don't know what is.

2. Despite your active lurking, as soon as LS was hammered you were in thread and posting and immediately got on my case for hammering LS without a claim. This leads me to believe you know what LS was going to flip and wanted to look like a town angry that LS hadn't had time to claim. It also leads me to believe that you are keeping up with the game but are just to scared to post so you are posting a bit here and there and just riding the days to get to your night kill.

You aren't hiding in the shadows anymore. I'm going to shine the limelight on you and watch you dance.

VOTE: penguin

good points.

[uctriton00]

penguin just did flip scum in a completed game, too

[the director]

That has no bearing here unless she was actively lurking in that game too. More votes on penguin, please.

[Majiffy]

KMD your "case"(?) on bork is bad and you should feel bad. Seriously context harder, please.

[Nobody Special]

I am home but exhausted and going to bed. Content tomorrow.

[buldermar]

because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.

You'll have to show this for me to change my vote.

[buldermar]

That has no bearing here unless she was actively lurking in that game too. More votes on penguin, please.

This makes no sense. It has more bearing here if she was actively lurking there as well and less if she wasn't just because that's what she has been doing here? No, no, no, that's not logical. Either it has bearing or it doesn't,

then

you show what kind of bearing it has, not the other way around.

[Majiffy]

because kmd is stupidly town and i don't want to lynch him because that would be stupid.

You'll have to show this for me to change my vote.

Also this^

[borkjerfkin]

Hi, back from vacation and I'm caught up.

I had penguin as town earlier, but reading today, if it's between penguin and KMD I pick penguin --

I agree with director about penguin's denouncement of the LS wagon -- post #895 looks to me like penguin is actually preparing herself to jump ON that wagon if she needed to, but in #1058 she very much distances herself from that wagon.

Also looking at stuff like #803, there's a lot of opening up possibilities for every scenario, which isn't really something town wants to do. The overall theme in that post is that KMD is town with a bad case, but what the hell is the last sentence about then?

Anyway, my town reads right now are buldermar, mollie, nacho, director, probably in that order. Maybe uct. Still think NS should be policy lynched if we continue to get ahead.

VOTE: penguin

@KMD -- I'm not sure what you're accusing me of. I did all the things you mentioned in your post (save defending Fe -- I'll argue that I'm calling Nacho's meta attack on him obtuse as shit, not calling Fe town.) But I see no conclusion drawn in your aggregation of my interactions with Fe, so *shrug*.

[penguin_alien]

It's certainly true that I don't have a high volume posting record, here or in any of the games I've played from the start or subbed into. I'm not on the computer for much of the day, so I tend to have a chance to catch up on any given game in chunks. When I do post I generally attempt to address as much as possible.

WRT calling out the scummy last couple of votes on the Lastsurvivor wagon, look at my first newbie games (1279 and 1292 [caveat: 1292 is ongoing])where I was in from the start: both times I was NK'd early on and didn't have much of a chance to get my opinion out there. (In the interest of completeness my other [completed] games are the one uctriton00 cited in the newbie forum where I flipped scum after replacing in and a micro Chosen game where I replaced in as town, along with a newbie-replacement game 1278 that may give you some info, although I'll warn you that I ended up as conf-town pretty quickly after replacing in due to the way things shifted out) Based on what happened in those games, it seems to me that my low-volume posting makes me an easy NK choice for leaving the town with relatively little information in the morning. Which had me in the mindset of wanting to voice my opinion when I had the chance.

Regarding what borkjerfkin said about my stance on the Lastsurvivor lynch itself, sure, it was probably our best lead of the day. Doesn't mean I don't think we should get maximum information out of said lynch. Lastsurvivor had been pretty responsive in engaging with those attacking him; no reason to quickhammer. I would have liked to hear his last thoughts whether he flipped scum or town. With having Fe's final thoughts, combined with Lastsurvivor's, if that had made two scum lynched we'd have had a lot more to go on. Obvious issues are obvious if he'd claimed a PR: if he had been telling the truth he'd have been at increased danger at night, but we would have had a shot at lynching someone else for that day phase. The only downside to giving him a chance to talk would be if he'd decided to fake-claim a PR, which is still information somewhere down the line. I don't think Lastsurvivor defended himself overly well, but I'm still not getting why the director felt the need to hammer so quickly, even with having quasi-warned of your intentions. We had five days to go, IIRC. Basically, my intention was not to distance myself from the wagon but rather to question why some people felt the need to finish it off so quickly.

As far as #803, I found it peculiar that Kmd4390 had been using such clearcut logic through the rest of his analysis and then gave pirate mollie a pass. It's something I thought should be pointed out, given that the rest of his post was being lauded. I don't think it's very informative unless one of them flips scum, and Kmd4390 didn't avoid addressing the issue, so it's a dead end for me right now.