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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:19 pm

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I feel pretty fucking fantastic about this penguin lynch mostly because of the tunneling on NS and ignoring anything else that comes along until the wagon is sizeable enough. I mean, if you look at the Fe votes Penguin makes, it's only after the Fe wagon is too big to stop, and immediately after she votes Fe, she immediately starts throwing out the "YOU COULD TOTALLY WAGON THESE PEOPLE" hint everywhere. Check out the first post she made after voting Fizz:

penguin_alien wrote:I don't feel inclined to move my vote from Fe yet, as I think he still is giving off way more scum vibes than pro-town signals, but pirate mollie's support of Kmd4390's take on Fizz makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately I don't have time to reread this thread at the moment, but I plan to check tomorrow how many of Fizz's reads, particularly those he was willing to call town, were parroting popular earlier opinions, in particular his town reads on Malakittens and pirate mollie. Since other than them, everyone except Last Survivor came up as scummy or unclear to him. Yes, it is early days, but it's also a question of if he's scum, he's hedging his bets/not leaving much to incriminate him.

Not sure if it's relevant, but Number Six and Breakfast have been MIA for upward of a week. Number Six came in volunteering a couple of reads but has disappeared since people lost interest in voting his slot (formerly Aether's), no V/LA that I can see. Breakfast also seems to have lost interest since everyone's focus moved away from the Aether-spot lynch, i.e. one that while may have had somewhat of a point also had a decent amount of 'lynch the VI.' My initial thoughts on their behavior are kind of mutually exclusive, as it seems like Number Six was mostly posting when it was in his interest to avoid being strung up, and Breakfast was mostly interested in pushing the lynch on the Number Six-Aether slot, with a side order of interest in Nobody Special.

"Fe is still pretty scummy, but kmd's case on Fizz makes a lot of sense and I personallywill be reading up a lot on Fizz. Number Six and Breakfast have also been gone for a while, so people should look over there!"

Next, penguin endorses the counterwagon even more:

penguin_alien wrote:While we're waiting for Fe to finish giving us his reads, I'd like to ask why Fizz has completely disappeared? He said he would be V/LA through Monday at the latest, which is closing in on 72 hours by the most generous standards and time zone assumptions. His last content was #319, in which he said he thought Fe was fishy, yet declined to put down a vote.

His initial willingness to interact with the game seems to have faded, and many of his reads boiled down to, 'not sure what to think.' I still want Fe lynched today, but I get the sense that Fizz threw us a bone of appeasement, and we went haring off after it. Pardon me if I'm breaking some understanding of V/LAs, but given how vague his was, I think it's worth another look.

And I also realize that Nobody Special had a lot on his plate, but I'm still not happy with his explanation of his wagon-hopping in this day phase, namely from Fizz to Kmd4390. Nobody Special, why the vote change from someone you said you thought was scum to their prime accuser with no indication that you agreed with any arguments against Kmd4390? And please give me something more than idle curiosity about the result of doing so.


It seems a strange thing to me to give the counterwagon so much lipservice when you acknowledge that there's inactive slots that might make getting a lynch difficult, and not push the wagon you are voting at all. It looks like penguin felt obligated to buss Fe here, but still did all she could to subtly push the wagon off him.
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:34 pm

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I'm still good for a penguin lynch. If memory serves me correct she was on the Fe wagon but not on the LS wagon, yet seemed to be cheering for it from the sidelines. Then after it went through she immediately got all upset that LS had been lynched without a claim, which is a forced townie response.
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:40 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:so what made you change your mind about kmd? cos you were all salivating at the mouth for a kmd lynch earlier. I already explained why I was more willing to lynch kmd over you but you guys are pretty even tbh. I think games are boring without you though. if you guys get your way and lynch another townie, then what? I know that if uct flips scum I will be doing some re-evaluating but where are you looking to next? your cases are pretty weak this game and that is what is standing out the most. plus some other things that I am not going to tell you.

1) Already pointed out about KMD
2) Buldermar if Uct flips town. Already said this too.
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:42 pm

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the director wrote:I'm still good for a penguin lynch. If memory serves me correct she was on the Fe wagon but not on the LS wagon, yet seemed to be cheering for it from the sidelines. Then after it went through she immediately got all upset that LS had been lynched without a claim, which is a forced townie response.

Hi scum. I've already addressed this but good job parroting Mollie.
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:45 pm

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Majiffy wrote:
pirate mollie wrote:so what made you change your mind about kmd? cos you were all salivating at the mouth for a kmd lynch earlier. I already explained why I was more willing to lynch kmd over you but you guys are pretty even tbh. I think games are boring without you though. if you guys get your way and lynch another townie, then what? I know that if uct flips scum I will be doing some re-evaluating but where are you looking to next? your cases are pretty weak this game and that is what is standing out the most. plus some other things that I am not going to tell you.

1) Already pointed out about KMD
2) Buldermar if Uct flips town. Already said this too.
3) Does it matter how weak or strong you
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1) there is a dissonance with the timing as far as the timing as far as the continuity goes
2) nope. I think buldey is town.
3) uhm well yeah, bussing and all of that :roll:
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:45 pm

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Majiffy wrote:
the director wrote:I'm still good for a penguin lynch. If memory serves me correct she was on the Fe wagon but not on the LS wagon, yet seemed to be cheering for it from the sidelines. Then after it went through she immediately got all upset that LS had been lynched without a claim, which is a forced townie response.

Hi scum. I've already addressed this but good job parroting Mollie.


he isn't parroting me cos I never said that.
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:46 pm

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Majiffy wrote:
the director wrote:I'm still good for a penguin lynch. If memory serves me correct she was on the Fe wagon but not on the LS wagon, yet seemed to be cheering for it from the sidelines. Then after it went through she immediately got all upset that LS had been lynched without a claim, which is a forced townie response.

Hi scum. I've already addressed this but good job parroting Mollie.

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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:50 pm

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pirate mollie wrote:he isn't parroting me cos I never said that.

Maybe it was this guy then;
Nachomamma8 wrote:don't be an idiot


IDK all I know is I've already shot that whole theory down.

pirate mollie wrote:1) there is a dissonance with the timing as far as the timing as far as the continuity goes
2) nope. I think buldey is town.
3) uhm well yeah, bussing and all of that :roll:

1) No there isn't
2) That's great, you're also wrong a lot. :lol:
3) Well if I'm bussing then maybe you should keep letting me lynch my team, huh?
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:01 pm

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1) yes there is
2) well then why would anybody ever listen to me in the first place except hey! they do. sometimes I am wrong. there is nothing wrong with that it just means I have to work out why I was wrong in the first place and fix mygame which I am always trying to do.
3) yeah that is why I was happy with your vote on kmd
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:06 pm

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1) Explain
2) Stupidity of other people is not evidence in support of your claim.
3) What if KMD isn't my teamate and Uct is?
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:09 pm

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STOP THIS SHIT AND LOOK AT PENGUIN AGAIN
I have explained why I find UCT town and I am most likely going to explain the kmd townread again soon, so please do me the same courtesy and look at penguin.

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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:11 pm

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I've looked at penguin. I'm not seeing scum.
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:19 pm

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Majiffy, trying to strong-arm me onto the wagon you are currently pushing by calling me scum is weaksauce.

Penguin wagon makes a helluvalotta sense. She is the definition of active lurking. She appears out of thin air twice, once when the hammer on LS went through, and second when I mentioned her. She is following the game but choosing not to post unless she is super sure she isn't going to catch any heat. It is the classic signs of scared overly cautious scum and the fact you refuse to acknowledge it makes me all the more happy to hammer her when she gets to L-1.
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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:20 pm

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Also since Penguin has posted her defense she has pulled a Fe and is banking on others defending and/or starting counter-wagons for her. OH WAIT BOTH ARE HAPPENING THANKS TO MAJIFFY.
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:23 pm

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Pretty sure I led the Fe lynch so what are you getting at here?
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:25 pm

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Wouldn't take an experienced scum much time to realize that Fe was the weakest link in the scum pool and a prime candidate for the long bus. So you attempting to claim credit for leading his lynch is doing you more harm than good at this point, buddy.
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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:29 pm

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I'm just saying it makes no sense for you to try to link my interactions with Penguin and my interactions with Fe since they're very clearly opposite.
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:40 pm

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Running screen for Penguin by launching a counter wagon on Utc is not in the best interest of the game and is pretty suspect. If you are honest, put aside your bluster and ego for a second, you would realize the case on Penguin is extremely strong. At the very, very best, she is a survivalist townie who isn't doing the town any good. At the most likely, she is scum.

I won't lie Utc is also a good candidate, he has been popping up on my scum radar with a certain frequency, and he as well is hiding from the game. The fact that Utc may be scum doesn't impact my scum read on pengiun, cause at the end of the day, a red name in the lynch column is all that really matters. My vote on pirate is a placeholder and largely a joke. If either utc or penguin get to L-1 my vote will jump so fast my fingers will have friction burns.

So do me a favor, go ISO penguin, give her an honest read over, and you will see what I am saying.
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:42 pm

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I've read over penguin. I don't think she's scum. Get on the uct wagon and ride that horse to a good ol' fashioned scum lynch.
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:48 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:STOP THIS SHIT AND LOOK AT PENGUIN AGAIN
I have explained why I find UCT town and I am most likely going to explain the kmd townread again soon, so please do me the same courtesy and look at penguin.

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dear nacho,

I have looked over your case most carefully. I think the director's was better. however I am not convinced. penguin looks like she is trolleytracking not forcing a scum read but hey! I could be wrong. she has demonstrated some scumitude behaviour as has been pointed out but so have others. I still want to lynch kmd or majiffy even though it pains me to lynch either. I am voting for one of these 2. plz help out with this even if it is just to shut me up about it.

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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:50 pm

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xpost with the director.
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:51 pm

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It took you 8 minutes to write that?
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:53 pm

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mollie i don't vote town just to shut people up
i would be more willing to vote majiffy but i don't necessarily think he's scum
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:56 pm

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jesus christ

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eta: but it could go to you too.
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That's cool, I don't necessarily think I'm scum, either.
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