Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

HEY MYKONIAN ARE YOU TOWN OR SCUM
AND WHY THE HELL DID YOU STALK ME HERE

[mykonian]

Got my role pm now, so lets scumhunt. It's also past midnight and I'm not going to reread fully now. I think. But perhaps. Last newbie I tried something and it worked, so, I might do that again.


Other then that, the post below (and I don't even know what he talks about, haven't read anything beyond this page) fucking sucks. Anyone who needs 300 words after the sentence "My biggest problem with kitiekatt is her passive nature" is a scumbag no matter how you consider it.

My biggest problem with kitiekatt is her passive nature. That in and of itself isn't exactly scummy, but the fact that she doesn't make any significant pushes and the fact that she doesn't actually seem to be searching for scum makes it suspicious. Her only significant suspect for all of D1 was Xegar, but reading her ISO without context doesn't really show her pushing it any after her vote. Her original vote on him was because of him witholding his reasons for voting (she also states it was because of the roleclaim, but considering she didn't put the vote on him when he initially did it, I'm assuming that the witholding of the reasons was a stronger point for her), but when Xegar explained his reasons, she didn't explain why she still had her vote on him until I asked her about it, and the explanation that she gave me sounded more like she was justifying why her vote was still on Xegar and not trying to explain why she still found him scum even though her initial reasons became invalid. There's also her suspicion of CF, which has earned a lot of lip service from her but no actual votes or significant pushes. She's asked him a lot of questions and called him her second strongest scumreads yesterday, but no mention of him when I asked for her scumreads today. So right now, it seems like she's afraid to make a push on CF because he's an experienced player, but doesn't really know what else to attack, which leaves her in this awkward position as scum.

Em+p_dear read town to me initially for the transparent thought process in #55. I liked the paranoia over a nightkill, which scum usually don't think to fake early. Lately, I haven't liked her lack of strong reads. Generally, when people take a long time to form a read, it means that they are just a cautious player. But when they form a read, they usually don't budge on those reads for a really long time. However, that's not what we saw with the Dyr read. He was her only "100% town read" of the game, which was also the only read she's made with any strength. Today, he's become her strongest scum read, and while it isn't exactly a strong scum read, it's the a pretty big change from strongest town to strongest scum, and it doesn't exactly have a whole lot of explanation behind it. It also has the problem of giving em+p a lot of leniency in deciding who she wants to wagon while scum, which is something town rarely worry about but scum often do.

[mykonian]

HEY MYKONIAN ARE YOU TOWN OR SCUM
AND WHY THE HELL DID YOU STALK ME HERE

Town.

And I sold my soul, but traded it for a body.

[Nachomamma8]

Other then that, the post below (and I don't even know what he talks about, haven't read anything beyond this page) fucking sucks. Anyone who needs 300 words after the sentence "My biggest problem with kitiekatt is her passive nature" is a scumbag no matter how you consider it.

glad to see you're back
i sort of explained that after the first bit

[mykonian]

Yes. Which is why you are scum? I'm pretty sure that I'm saying if you need a wall like that to explain that sentence you are complete full of gummibears. Because that's a gummibear post if I ever saw one.

Doctor Who was right. Can't lie with one word. You need a lot.

[mykonian]

know what?

vote nacho

I'll reread now. Not that likely to change though. If you are scum in one post, I don't see why you aren't scum forever.

[Nachomamma8]

Yes. Which is why you are scum? I'm pretty sure that I'm saying if you need a wall like that to explain that sentence you are complete full of gummibears. Because that's a gummibear post if I ever saw one.

A wall because it's not specifically the passive nature and actually other things as well >.>

Doctor Who was right. Can't lie with one word. You need a lot.

Town.

[mykonian]

1#
What drew me towards Mafia is the fact that it's like a detective game. And i'm one of those guys that loves to prove otherw wrong so it would be perfect for me.
Assuming im correct.
I'm also taking Law in college and this could make an excellent training ground for me.

2#
I do take things seriously, but i know when people are just havin g a laugh and will probably take part in them.

3#
I don't get many gut feelings.
My decisions are usually based on facts and evidence. But when i do, its usually because i have a strong reason to believe them. So i would say that I'm not that indecisive but if i ever change my opinion on things, there must have been some very strong evidence to make me change.


Or as this game goes, i could be lying about every single thing..........

I'm not going to like you. As a person.

Or as this game goes, i could be lying about every single thing..........

Why specifically point out the possibility that you could be lying? If you're town aligned, do you feel it's beneficial to lie at any time? Or do you think it's something purely scum would do?

The best lies are the ones that have some truth with them. With that state of mind, the best thing for scum to do is tell the truth.
I know it puts me on the spotlight. But unfortunately for me, i was always thought to look at both sides of the argument and thats the approach i take for many things in life.

If i am town, i have absolutely no reason to lie. If i am scum, i would have to hide my lies.
There is a possibility that i could get lynched by telling the truth because someone else lied.
And assuming i'm town, scum could kill me off early on for simply telling the truth.


I'll say this now, i'm a vanilla town.
Whether i'm lying or not is up to you.
But if something doesn't add up, then SOMEONE did lie.

and now I'm not liking you as a person.


Just, lets get this straight here. You aren't really a clever guy. You also are aware you are a bit mediocre when it comes to that. And I know you are here to have fun. Everyone of us is. But I'm a bit of a dick and I feel like telling truths. Don't try to be clever. It doesn't suit you.

I will be back later to yell at Smashbard for using RQS.
But for now, I plan on playing final fantasy.

hey, someone knows his theory. Hi nacho.

Dyry stinks of gummibears.


WAAAAAAIT A SECOND.

[mykonian]

Xegarus has requested a replacement. Seaching...

Yup, I'm talking to someone not in the game anymore.

Brilliant, just insulted a person who can't answer. Not worth the effort.

[mykonian]

So, Xeg, tell me; Why are you obeying orders from someone you have never met?

And CF, if you are not scumbuddies with Xeg, why the hell are you playing on the inexperience of a newbie to push your lynch?

Why is this a post?

Just, uhm, can you explain me why you asked these question?

[mykonian]

page 6: report. CF obvtown.

[CF Riot]

Myko, who are you replacing? I thought you were Xeg. Also, if I read right, you claimed you were town

before

you got your role pm which makes sense but is still quite funny.

[Nachomamma8]

Xegarus has requested a replacement. Seaching...

Yup, I'm talking to someone not in the game anymore.

Brilliant, just insulted a person who can't answer. Not worth the effort.

who is also the guy who you just replaced >.>
noob

page 6: report. CF obvtown.

page 6: report. CF obvtown.

town i could see
probably not obviously so

[mykonian]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

[L-5] Dyrynify:

[L-1] Xegarus: Dyrynify, kitiekatt, Smashbard, TheDoctor

[L-5] em+p_dear:

[L-5] Om:

[L-3] TheDoctor: Om, Nachomamma8

[L-5] kitiekatt:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-3] Smashbard: CF Riot, Xegarus

[L-5] Nachomamma8:

Not Voting:

1 (em+p_dear)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: January 3, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-03 21:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

Meaning that at this point there was only one wagon possibly scum. On smash. Hey, the RQS starter. Love it.

[Dyrynify]

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF I WAS INFORMED THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE REPLACING IN. So yeah, Myko replaces Xegarus. Don't welcome him! Make him feel like an outcast!

OUTSIDER! I HATE YOU CAUSE OF PEER PRESSURE!

So, Xeg, tell me; Why are you obeying orders from someone you have never met?

And CF, if you are not scumbuddies with Xeg, why the hell are you playing on the inexperience of a newbie to push your lynch?

Why is this a post?

Just, uhm, can you explain me why you asked these question?

Genuinely wanted to know, and drawing attention to what happened. Why? What is wrong with it?

[mykonian]

Myko, who are you replacing? I thought you were Xeg. Also, if I read right, you claimed you were town

before

you got your role pm which makes sense but is still quite funny.

Xeg, indeed.

And I think you refer to my post towards nacho. Nacho has had a couple of games in a row now where he's been rather vocally wrong about me.

Xegarus has requested a replacement. Seaching...

Yup, I'm talking to someone not in the game anymore.

Brilliant, just insulted a person who can't answer. Not worth the effort.

who is also the guy who you just replaced >.>
noob

page 6: report. CF obvtown.

town i could see
probably not obviously so

I know I replaced him then. He was too full of himself. Ever seen a law student here who was fun to play with? And yes, I have a prejudice about that. It's too often true for me to stop using it. And I can't stand people who think they are clever. I don't mind people who actually are.


And CF was obvious there.

[mykonian]

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF I WAS INFORMED THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE REPLACING IN. So yeah, Myko replaces Xegarus. Don't welcome him! Make him feel like an outcast!

You sold your body, if only for 7 minutes.

I sold my soul.

So, Xeg, tell me; Why are you obeying orders from someone you have never met?

And CF, if you are not scumbuddies with Xeg, why the hell are you playing on the inexperience of a newbie to push your lynch?

Why is this a post?

Just, uhm, can you explain me why you asked these question?

Genuinely wanted to know, and drawing attention to what happened. Why? What is wrong with it?

No...

You don't ask "why are you obeying orders" if you want to know. That's on the border of rhetorical, but lets call it loaded, shall we?

And you also don't start a question where you actually want an answer from with "why the hell". So the second is more then loaded as well.



Again, dyry, now truthful: why that post?

[Nachomamma8]

And I think you refer to my post towards nacho. Nacho has had a couple of games in a row now where he's been rather vocally wrong about me.

I read you wrong twice, that dark time in my life is over.
find anything interesting in your reread yet?

[mykonian]

yeah, the things I posted. And then I lost interest... around page 9?

Don't really care. Found two scum till now, one town. Good stuff for a couple of minutes.

[mykonian]

I think I'm going to wait for people to react to me and dyry to give me an answer. Then we'll see.

I'll start analysing wagons tomorrow or something. Because it's cool.

[Dyrynify]

No...

You don't ask "why are you obeying orders" if you want to know. That's on the border of rhetorical, but lets call it loaded, shall we?

And you also don't start a question where you actually want an answer from with "why the hell". So the second is more then loaded as well.

Again, dyry, now truthful: why that post?

Actually, I did want to know. You may only ask those questions in a purely rhetorical sense, but I do, and did, want to know.

And yes, they were loaded. But that does not preclude me from wanting to know.

[TraceyLyn11]

Kitiekatt has requested replacement. Searching...

[Smashbard]

Haven't had a chance to do my wagon analysis yet. Just thought I would chime in.

Mykonian: If you feel that Dyrnify is the second scummiest person, how do you justify him hammering early yesterday when he could of just waited for me to hammer?

Is Nacho solely scummy because he's gotten a bit wordy? I don't have a large sample size of playing with Nacho, but it seems like he just naturally posts walls.

I know replacing out is not necessarily an indicator of scumminess, but I do want to put it out there that I find it really suspicious that Xegar & Kitie both replaced out in quick succession of one another. Especially the KitieKat slot. It makes me feel like Kat just got tired of answering questions from Nacho without getting any headway in deterring suspicions of scumminess. At least Xegar admitted to being genuinely busy.

I will finally decide on a vote after my wagon analysis from Day 1 is done.

[mykonian]

No...

You don't ask "why are you obeying orders" if you want to know. That's on the border of rhetorical, but lets call it loaded, shall we?

And you also don't start a question where you actually want an answer from with "why the hell". So the second is more then loaded as well.

Again, dyry, now truthful: why that post?

Actually, I did want to know. You may only ask those questions in a purely rhetorical sense, but I do, and did, want to know.

And yes, they were loaded. But that does not preclude me from wanting to know.

Why did you expect a certain answer out of them? You don't load questions if you actually want to know something. You load them when you want someone to do something for you.

Why are you still telling me you wanted to know if you never did anything with any answers? While your questions are loaded as hell?

Dyry, the truth now, please. Why did you make that post? I really hate having to ask this three times. So stop lying.

[CF Riot]

replacing out is not

necessarily

an indicator of scumminess

You should've stopped here.