Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[CF Riot]

I don't entirely trust you right now, and other people are murmuring about voting Emp as well without actually doing it. I smell mislynch.

[Nachomamma8]

is there anything else you can use to call emp town?
or is your nose the only thing?

[Nachomamma8]

your trust in me should be irrelevant

[mykonian]

but it isn't

[em+p_dear]

(Not dead)

@Om- Everyone hated him that day for the whole page 1 RC and his vote on smash/vote reveal. I'm not quite sure how to word it...I just think that if the mafia kill was blocked there's a good chance a power rule either new or took a chance that Xeg was town. The mafia may also have seen his RC as "Vanilla Townie" as (not just a bad move like the rest of the town) but suspicious. They may have suspected him for a doctor or jailer or whatever trying to be safe as a normal and figure they have nothing to lose if he really was vanilla townie. A rather farfetched theory, but still...

[em+p_dear]

You don't even have anything to say about me pushing you as my second suspect?

What more is there to say? You suspect me. I don't see that as a town tell or a scum tell. You could be scum voting me, you could be town voting me. I don't yet have a guess as to which. Besides it seems like a lot of others see me as a suspect as well so I'm not all that surprised.

(Sorry for the double post)

[Smashbard]

Emp dear, it's pretty simple. If you feel nacho is voting you in error it's because he's w wrong town or scum. In my mind you're hanging yourself by being too timid. Of you feel he's wrong town you need to engage a and convince him. If he's scum you also need to pursue that line of questing. Engage with the game.

[Smashbard]

I am suspicous of nacho because I have a hard time believing that he as town only suspicous d the two weakest players in the game. Also he's buddied almost every player who's been protown. I also still think dyrnify Is scum even with the hammer hes ben way too quiet since day started in contrast to day 1

[Smashbard]

That being said, I will compromisee an emp dear lynch if we approach dead line.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

[L-4] Dyrynify: mykonian

[L-5] mykonian:

[L-4] em+p_dear: Nachomamma8

[L-5] Om:

[L-5] SleepyKrew:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-5] Smashbard:

[L-4] Nachomamma8: Om

Not Voting:

5 (Dyrynify, em+p_dear, CF Riot, Smashbard, SleepyKrew)

• With eight alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: January 18, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-18 01:10:00).
  
• V/LA: SleepyKrew (indefinitely), Om ((expired on 2013-01-04 00:00:00))

[CF Riot]

My nose is the best thing. Is that not enough? I didn't know Emp was that strong of a read for you.

[Om]

(Not dead)

@Om- Everyone hated him that day for the whole page 1 RC and his vote on smash/vote reveal. I'm not quite sure how to word it...I just think that if the mafia kill was blocked there's a good chance a power rule either new or took a chance that Xeg was town. The mafia may also have seen his RC as "Vanilla Townie" as (not just a bad move like the rest of the town) but suspicious. They may have suspected him for a doctor or jailer or whatever trying to be safe as a normal and figure they have nothing to lose if he really was vanilla townie. A rather farfetched theory, but still...

Is that why you tried to kill Xeg last night?
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I am suspicous of nacho because I have a hard time believing that he as town only suspicous d the two weakest players in the game. Also he's buddied almost every player who's been protown. I also still think dyrnify Is scum even with the hammer hes ben way too quiet since day started in contrast to day 1

Then why not vote either of them?

That being said, I will compromisee an emp dear lynch if we approach dead line.

Fence seating?
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@mykonian;

What was the point of your post #308?

@Nacho;

#336
Here, are you saying that you don't mind lynching Dry if KK/Em_d doesn't go well? Or am I missing something?
Also, In one of your games I noticed that you kept your vote on till replacement player for that slot got word in on it, so why did you unvoted here before SK got word in your vote? You did say that next post from KK/SK slot was going to be important in your post #291, we didn't have that yet, so what changed for you?

[Smashbard]

(Not dead)

@Om- Everyone hated him that day for the whole page 1 RC and his vote on smash/vote reveal. I'm not quite sure how to word it...I just think that if the mafia kill was blocked there's a good chance a power rule either new or took a chance that Xeg was town. The mafia may also have seen his RC as "Vanilla Townie" as (not just a bad move like the rest of the town) but suspicious. They may have suspected him for a doctor or jailer or whatever trying to be safe as a normal and figure they have nothing to lose if he really was vanilla townie. A rather farfetched theory, but still...

Is that why you tried to kill Xeg last night?
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I am suspicous of nacho because I have a hard time believing that he as town only suspicous d the two weakest players in the game. Also he's buddied almost every player who's been protown. I also still think dyrnify Is scum even with the hammer hes ben way too quiet since day started in contrast to day 1

Then why not vote either of them?

That being said, I will compromisee an emp dear lynch if we approach dead line.

Fence seating?
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@mykonian;

What was the point of your post #308?

@Nacho;

#336
Here, are you saying that you don't mind lynching Dry if KK/Em_d doesn't go well? Or am I missing something?
Also, In one of your games I noticed that you kept your vote on till replacement player for that slot got word in on it, so why did you unvoted here before SK got word in your vote? You did say that next post from KK/SK slot was going to be important in your post #291, we didn't have that yet, so what changed for you?

1) Because I realize that being suspicious of someone because "They are suspicious of newbies" and "They are buddying protown players" are not really strong tells, as any alignment can be guilty of this behavior, town or scum. I am suspicious of them, not resolute in their scumminess. You could call it a Finger of Suspicion. The reason I find it so odd is because Nacho literally doesn't have or hasn't stated any suspicions of any experienced players thus far.

and 2) Fence sitting would mean that I would be stating that I was not sure whether to vote for Nacho or Emp Dear, which would imply I was waiting to see which side swings which way. That's not the case, because I have only said I will compromise on an Emp Dear vote if we near deadline. I think the chances of Nacho being town are greater than Emp Dear, so I will vote for the latter if we approach deadline.

You yourself have admitted that Nacho's ignoring of your initial vote has confused your read as to whether or not you think Nacho is town or scum. So tell me, what makes your case on Nacho any more solid than his case on Emp Dear? You've been asking Nacho repeated questions, but not really doing anything else to convince anybody else that you're chosen lynch is the right one.

[Smashbard]

My nose is the best thing. Is that not enough? I didn't know Emp was that strong of a read for you.

Who do you feel is scummy? If you've already stated this before just point me in that direction. But so far all I've caught from you is that you feel Xegar, Emp Dear, Dyrnify and I are town. What is your read on Om? You don't trust Nacho, but is he scummy to you?

[Nachomamma8]

but it isn't

If someone thinks that I'm scum, they should vote me. If they don't trust me but don't particularly think that I am scum, then they shouldn't disregard my case because they don't trust me.

What more is there to say? You suspect me. I don't see that as a town tell or a scum tell. You could be scum voting me, you could be town voting me. I don't yet have a guess as to which. Besides it seems like a lot of others see me as a suspect as well so I'm not all that surprised.

Are my reasons strong? Are my reasons weak? Why did your read change on Majiffy? What do you think of Dyr's townread on me?

My nose is the best thing. Is that not enough? I didn't know Emp was that strong of a read for you.

She is that strong of a read.

Here, are you saying that you don't mind lynching Dry if KK/Em_d doesn't go well? Or am I missing something?

I said that I don't mind Dyr votes.

Also, In one of your games I noticed that you kept your vote on till replacement player for that slot got word in on it, so why did you unvoted here before SK got word in your vote? You did say that next post from KK/SK slot was going to be important in your post #291, we didn't have that yet, so what changed for you?

I'm switching gears because I have a leaning townread on SK, and now would rather push on emp and get a wagon going instead of playing a game for a little while. SleepyKrew is replacing in and I'll get a much better read on him if I force him to give an opinion of my suspicion rather than gauging his response to my pressure. I specifically wanted to see kitiekatt's next post to see how she would post if she knew I was just about done suspecting her.

[CF Riot]

I've sort of been sitting on my hands waiting for SKrew to post but the two people I'm most leaning towards voting today are SKrew and Nacho. I think Om looks alright. I wish he would post more and push harder but that's cause I like where his heads at. I'll vote cause the game is bogging down but holidays are over and now's the time to rally and lynch scum.

Vote: Nacho

[Nachomamma8]

What did you think about my kitiekatt case, then?

[CF Riot]

Everything you said was true. Katt was lurky and non-committal. This could be because she was scum or because she was a noob and it was D1.

[em+p_dear]

Is that why you tried to kill Xeg last night?

Or save him. Or make an assumption about what really happened last night.
But why would scum claim the townie they had just tried to kill the night before as innocent? It seems like it would be pointless, right? (Though honestly I am curious do scum actually use this strategy?)

Are my reasons strong? Are my reasons weak? Why did your read change on Majiffy? What do you think of Dyr's townread on me?

Today's readings? Yes. Especially the kittiekat read-honest or false, currect or incorrect, I felt it was well explained and made sense.
I was -however- curious as to why you dropped your vote on kittie before she left, considering you seemed so convinced, but then you addressed that:

I'm switching gears because I have a leaning townread on SK, and now would rather push on emp and get a wagon going instead of playing a game for a little while. SleepyKrew is replacing in and I'll get a much better read on him if I force him to give an opinion of my suspicion rather than gauging his response to my pressure. I specifically wanted to see kitiekatt's next post to see how she would post if she knew I was just about done suspecting her.

I see how a wagon on me and observing kitty/sk's actions would be a good move-assuming you were right about our alignments; you could kill two birds with one stone. But I still would like to ask why the 'leaning townread'? You were so sure that kittie was scum and made a good case against her and then all of the sudden, she's not so suspicious anymore.

And recently, it seems you're very eager to get a wagon going-trying to convince everyone to vote for whoever you did. This was the case with both kittie and me. Is this just because of the data the wagon gives or is there another reason?

As for Majiffy (that's Xeg's replacement, right?) I began to see him as innocent when other people began accusing me of scum. As smash pointed out, I was passive about it and instead of flat out asking people why they suspected me, I went back and reread my old posts and saw a lot of the same things Xeg wrote in his posts. I said some things that were stupid/suspicious, and from an objective point of view, I seemed wishy-washy and easily persuaded/discouraged by others. Initially, these were the very reasons I suspected Xeg, but in comparison, I found that I did them all as well. The more people suspected me, the more I reread my posts and the less scum/more clueless noob I began to see in him.

I didn't see anything scummy in his reads at first but now that you mention it, yeah, they do look scummy to me. Especially the fact that he didn't mention

anything

about me factoring in as a suspect until after 1) I said that I suspected him and 2) Nacho said he suspected me. But why would he suspect you? You had him as a town read the whole game and as long as you suspected Kittie and me, he knew he'd safe.

[em+p_dear]

And wow I just realized I have no idea how to do multiple quotes. How do you get the "so-and-so said" in there?

[mykonian]

@mykonian;

What was the point of your post #308?

It felt like a waste not to post what I had till then.

Emp dear, it's pretty simple. If you feel nacho is voting you in error it's because he's w wrong town or scum. In my mind you're hanging yourself by being too timid. Of you feel he's wrong town you need to engage a and convince him. If he's scum you also need to pursue that line of questing. Engage with the game.

This guy is scummy as hell. This post stinks. And it's 2 am now and I can't tell you know why it stinks but it does. Lets see if I know tomorrow.

[CF Riot]

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WELCOME TO NEWBIE 1310:

[Nachomamma8]

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[CF Riot]

Majiffy is not in this game. Nacho was that just a typo or was it supposed to be a reference of some kind, cause it went over my head if so.

[Nachomamma8]

oh holy shit
dyrynify, not majiffy
emp, when did your read on drynify change?