Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[borkjerfkin]

@Majiffy: I'll cede that you're generally better at this than I am.

VOTE: UCT

This is a sheep vote.

[Majiffy]

You couldn't cede that a week ago?

[borkjerfkin]

I didn't know you were town a week ago.

[buldermar]

If UCT flips town can we lynch Nacho or kmd next?

[Majiffy]

KMD no. I'll look over Nacho if and only if uct flips town. If I'm even alive.

[pirate mollie]

I honestly thought this was more to figure out who to clear than to figure out who to lynch.

it is but you can also use it to find scum too.

I think we have a town cabal in you, me and buldey so I think we should triangulate and vote as a bloc. this will help to ensure that lynch is in town hands. on the chance that one of us is nked we should probably think about who else we can agree is a town read and try to pull them in.

what I learned from everyone's lists; a little bit. noticed who would not offer one up: majiffy. scum hate lists cos it pins them down and it can leave a trail directly to their teammates. on d3 majiffy should have at least something to offer up, me as town at the very least he can almost always read me but he isn't doing anything he didn't even try. town majiffy would have cooperated just to shut me up, lol. I think that is probably who we need to lynch today.

the idea of the lists is to keep track of people's reads and make them accountable for them. on d4 have people add a 4th town read to their lists, make them give a reason for it and repost the list while making the fourth town read a different colour. people can change out players on their lists, for instance I almost want to switch out nacho for ns cos nacho has a scum relative tell that I have not seen yet and ns made one big clanger of a post but make sure they give good reasons that are supported and is consistent with their thought process. I have never lost a game using the list technique but can't use it very often cos good scum will just find a way to manipulate.

eta: I see there has been some activity since I typed this out.

[borkjerfkin]

I think if you use this approach in the future you should insist on a popcorn order.

And yeah, stuff happened. tl;dr is we're not lynching Majiffy barring a counterclaim that I don't think is going to come (1 scum for a doc trade is stupid for scum here and Majiffy is not stupid)

[pirate mollie]

Buldermar there are two things I'm certain are bad ideas going into d2 and both of them are being put on the table as viable options that, for some god-awful reason I can't comprehend, is being considered by a bunch of fucktards that can't read between the lines.

Apologies if I'm getting a little pissed off that the hardest softclaiming I could possibly do is doing fuck all for anyone to pick up on.

I'm the doctor. I was on Penguin last night. There was no kill. I don't have a goddamn reason to think Penguin is town, but he sure as fuck is not today's lynch. And neither am I.

jesus christ

this is d3 so who did you protect on n1? why didn't you protect mala? I thought she dropped one helluva special tell and there was no kill last night so penguin is pretty much confirmed town.

goddammit majiffy

[Kmd4390]

So I've read up on this and if uct flips scum, buld is his buddy. I'll explain why after uct's flip.

[Majiffy]

this is d3 so who did you protect on n1? why didn't you protect mala? I thought she dropped one helluva special tell and there was no kill last night so penguin is pretty much confirmed town.

goddammit majiffy

Don't remember, but probably Fizz given that he was the counterwagon to Fe and thus likely town.

There's a jailkeeper so Penguin isn't 100% confirmed.

Don't goddamnit me, you're the one who didn't jump on the uct wagon with hint after hint. Furthermore, if you're so good at looking for PR tells, why didn't you notice that I was softclaiming protecting Penguin all day? Instead you soft-support the popular Majiffy wagon with this pile of horse-shit;

what I learned from everyone's lists; a little bit. noticed who would not offer one up: majiffy. scum hate lists cos it pins them down and it can leave a trail directly to their teammates. on d3 majiffy should have at least something to offer up, me as town at the very least he can almost always read me but he isn't doing anything he didn't even try. town majiffy would have cooperated just to shut me up, lol. I think that is probably who we need to lynch today.

You know damned well I have no qualms about tying myself to my partners; I bus them most of the damn time. This is the biggest pile of meta bullshit I've ever seen from you; it's completely inaccurate. And reading you? You know I generally intentionally ignore you as long as I possibly can because I can't.

No, you're likely scum with uct.

[Majiffy]

So I've read up on this and if uct flips scum, buld is his buddy. I'll explain why after uct's flip.

I'd prefer you explain why before the flip.

[Nobody Special]

A) I loathe town "cabal"s or voting blocs or what-have-you. Loathe them. Too easy for scum to hide in once they get in there.

2) I don't believe Majiffy.

d) I want to lynch one of Majiffy, KMD, Maenaerae (maaayyybe Mollie; I hate when people push LOLTOWNBLOCKS)

That is all.

[borkjerfkin]

2) I don't believe Majiffy.

Is this a counterclaim?

[Nobody Special]

No, he's just too scummalicious to be town.

[Majiffy]

[borkjerfkin]

seriously?

[borkjerfkin]

that was to ns

[Majiffy]

I'm aware. Hence the clapping.

[pirate mollie]

this is d3 so who did you protect on n1? why didn't you protect mala? I thought she dropped one helluva special tell and there was no kill last night so penguin is pretty much confirmed town.

goddammit majiffy

Don't remember, but probably Fizz given that he was the counterwagon to Fe and thus likely town.

There's a jailkeeper so Penguin isn't 100% confirmed.

Don't goddamnit me, you're the one who didn't jump on the uct wagon with hint after hint. Furthermore, if you're so good at looking for PR tells, why didn't you notice that I was softclaiming protecting Penguin all day? Instead you soft-support the popular Majiffy wagon with this pile of horse-shit;

what I learned from everyone's lists; a little bit. noticed who would not offer one up: majiffy. scum hate lists cos it pins them down and it can leave a trail directly to their teammates. on d3 majiffy should have at least something to offer up, me as town at the very least he can almost always read me but he isn't doing anything he didn't even try. town majiffy would have cooperated just to shut me up, lol. I think that is probably who we need to lynch today.

You know damned well I have no qualms about tying myself to my partners; I bus them most of the damn time. This is the biggest pile of meta bullshit I've ever seen from you; it's completely inaccurate. And reading you? You know I generally intentionally ignore you as long as I possibly can because I can't.

No, you're likely scum with uct.

hey here is a thought; how about if you are a special then you try playing a protown game huh? you know perfectly well that sometimes I am just as likely as to land on a special jesus fucking christ you watched me do it in a game where I forced 2 specials on d1 and by the time I got to the third he didn't even put up a fight he just outed as a seer. specials often look like scum to me when I am town. if I know the player well enough I can distinguish the difference but if I get knocked off balance even then I misstep. and no you don't "generally ignore me" you usually slide right in with comfort and ease

which you did not do in this game

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@ ns - you know who hates town cabals? scum usually. the only town who hate cabals are ones who got burned by them once allows it to colour the rest of their mafia experiences.

[pirate mollie]

who did you protect n1 majiffy?

[Majiffy]

hey here is a thought; how about if you are a special then you try playing a protown game huh?

Let's be honest, the only time I ever do this is as scum.

and no you don't "generally ignore me"

Lololol yes I do. I do so hard.

p-edit: I said probably Fizz but I don't remember. Maybe you should read my posts all the way through.

[borkjerfkin]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/ucp.php?i=pm&folder=sentbox

[Majiffy]

Yeah I cleaned the shit out of my inbox and outbox after Marathon.

[borkjerfkin]

Ok.

[pirate mollie]

how convenient