Newbie 1310: A WILD CHARIZARD APPEARED! - GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Dyrnify

I thought emp handled my pressure really well. Interestingly enough, the Xegar read that I didn't even mean to ask for in the first place is what's giving me the strongest townread on the slot; it makes a lot of sense that emp would find him town after she was called out for doing certain things and saw Xegar doing those same things. Dyr, on the other hand, has really fallen off since Day 1, which I find pretty fucking suspicious. I thought that if he was scum, he had a pretty good day 1, but today he's not really pushing anyone and only voting emp when it's based on his survival. Also found smash's vote on me pretty interesting and would like for him to confirm that he is voting me using Om's and CF's logic.

[Dyrynify]

Survival? At the time, I had one vote on me. Not exactly in a lot of danger.

And no, I have not put up the same output as D1, but I have been ill, and quite frankly really lost, D2. I keep losing my reads on everyone, because most everyone is acting townie, at least to some degree. I am fairly sure on Emp, but it seems that everyone is jumping that lynch now that I voted.

Being L-1, I will go ahead and claim. I am

Vanilla Town

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[Nachomamma8]

you had one vote, but more people were talking about you as scum
why do you suspect emp? what did you think of her latest posts?
what do you think of smash?

[Om]

Not really, I just wanted to do that for the effect. Dyr is kinda scummy but I think Nacho is a better lynch.

Right now he looks more of a scapegoat though.

[mykonian]

hammer, please.

[Nachomamma8]

Dyr, why were you so sure about emp?

[Smashbard]

because he didn't see your intent to hammer
because there weren't any scum on the wagon and he was getting antsy
because he suspected doctor of being a power role and didn't want to give him time to actually claim

Good enough for me. Yes, my vote on you is trusting in Om's and CF's logic, but also based on the fact that you're play has been odd up to this most recent series of posts by you, which is more like the Nacho I played with before. So

Unvote

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And my point against Mykonian "not having the balls" to vote me was because at the time he was simply going "Hey guys, Smashbard is scum" without actually putting his money where his mouth is. So I was calling him out on what assertive scum like to do, and that's direct traffic telling people that a player is scum without actually voting them. Because from a Scum standpoint he would know I was town and would not be willing to be on my wagon in case his arguments actually gained traction, and thus get a lot of heat Day 3 after my flip.

Then he proceeded to vote for me after I called him out on it, and then vote for Dyrnify just because Emp Dear voted for him. I don't trust Mykonian one bit. But thinking objectively it's probably because he tried to insinuate that I was being a white knight sexist pig towards Emp Dear with my advice. So I probably WANT him to be scum a lot more than he may actually be scum.

[Smashbard]

Not really, I just wanted to do that for the effect. Dyr is kinda scummy but I think Nacho is a better lynch.

Right now he looks more of a scapegoat though.

That being said.

Vote: Dyrnify

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My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

[Smashbard]

Dyrnify is now officially at L-1 I believe. His counting was off.

[mykonian]

Not really, I just wanted to do that for the effect. Dyr is kinda scummy but I think Nacho is a better lynch.

Right now he looks more of a scapegoat though.

That being said.

Vote: Dyrnify

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My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

You smell funny.

[CF Riot]

Brad what links Dyr to either of those pairings? How do you feel about the fact that both Emp and Nacho are voting Dyr? What exactly about Nacho's recent posts is different than his early posts, and in which game have you seen town-Nacho doing the same thing?

If Dyr gets hammered and flips town everyone should think long and hard about a Nacho + Brad team.

[mykonian]

vote smashbard

we could look now?

[CF Riot]

I am looking. Why aren't you voting Nacho with the obvtown wagon of me and Om, instead of the empty wagon on possibly bad-town Brad?

[Nachomamma8]

I am looking. Why aren't you voting Nacho with the obvtown wagon of me and Om, instead of the empty wagon on possibly bad-town Brad?

Am I still your scum partner choice if Dyr flips scum?

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.6

[L-2] Dyrynify: em+p_dear, Nachomamma8, Smashbard

[L-5] mykonian:

[L-4] em+p_dear: Dyrynify

[L-5] Om:

[L-5] SleepyKrew:

[L-5] CF Riot:

[L-4] Smashbard: mykonian

[L-3] Nachomamma8: Om, CF Riot

Not Voting:

1 (SleepyKrew)

• With eight alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: January 18, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-01-18 01:10:00).
  
• V/LA: SleepyKrew (indefinitely)

[Nachomamma8]

sorry for ditching you tracey

[TraceyLyn11]

sorry for ditching you tracey

<3

[CF Riot]

Eh, Idk. I don't see any standout partners for Dyr-scum so I'd probably base my suspicion on individual scumminess, which means you'd still be a top pick but not in the same way I'd be pointing at you or Brad if either of you flipped scum.

[Smashbard]

Brad what links Dyr to either of those pairings?

There's no link as far as I can see. This is mostly down to the fact that I believe you, Om and Mykonian are town. Sleepykrew isn't posting enough for me to have a solid read. That leaves some combination of those three. And I can almost guarantee that Dyrnify is scum at this point. So my reads are based on him being scum for sure, and then Nacho or Emp Dear being the missing link.

How do you feel about the fact that both Emp and Nacho are voting Dyr?

Well if Dyrnify flips town then I would be very suspicious of both of them being the scumteam. If he flips scum then I think Nacho is more likely to be the busser than Emp Dear.

What exactly about Nacho's recent posts is different than his early posts, and in which game have you seen town-Nacho doing the same thing?

In my first newbie game (I was scum at the time), Nacho was a lot more aggressive in his reads and pushing of lynches, while at the same time questioning almost every player. He only posted once every three days, which apparently was a meta thing. But when he did post he would always question even the guys he thought were solid town reads, like Camn.

In this game he's been posting a lot more frequently than 3 days, but not been as diligent in his scumhunting. His entire day 2 focus has been on Emp Dear until just recently. I think he was starting to realize that his playing it safe by picking on the newbie all day was gaining a crap ton of suspicion from everyone, and as soon as his wagon got more than just you and Om voting for him he started shaping up his play and actually answering questions.

So his play is MORE like what I'm used to from him right now, but I still feel uneasy about him because of the fact that it took 3 votes just to get him in gear when he realized he couldn't play it safe with Emp Dear anymore.

[CF Riot]

My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

Brad what links Dyr to either of those pairings?

There's no link as far as I can see. This is mostly down to the fact that I believe you, Om and Mykonian are town. Sleepykrew isn't posting enough for me to have a solid read. That leaves some combination of those three.

This new bottom quote doesn't look like what you were saying in that top quote. In the top you don't say "some combination of these three," you say "Dyr and ____". If it's just a matter of them all being scummy, why don't you mention the possibility of a Nacho+Emp team, ala...

Well if Dyrnify flips town then I would be very suspicious of both of them being the scumteam.

And you're saying you don't have a solid read on SKrew (

prod prod prod please ty

) but I would think then you would be open to the idea of a SKrew being part of a team with one of these 3, which would mean Dyr isn't a solid common denominator.

In this game he's been posting a lot more frequently than 3 days, but not been as diligent in his scumhunting. His entire day 2 focus has been on Emp Dear until just recently. I think he was starting to realize that his playing it safe by picking on the newbie all day was gaining a crap ton of suspicion from everyone, and as soon as his wagon got more than just you and Om voting for him he started shaping up his play and actually answering questions.

So his play is MORE like what I'm used to from him right now, but I still feel uneasy about him because of the fact that it took 3 votes just to get him in gear when he realized he couldn't play it safe with Emp Dear anymore.

All this sounds like a reason to vote Nacho to me, and instead you're using it as a reason to unvote him and vote Dyr, while still saying they could be scum together.

[TraceyLyn11]

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prod prod prod please ty

)

SleepyKrew isn't due for a prod yet, sorry. He's also on semi-V/LA (vote counts are now edited to reflect this).

[Smashbard]

My scum suspects at the moment are Dyrnify & Nacho or Dyrnify & Emp Dear. So either way the common denominator vote goes to Dyrnify.

Brad what links Dyr to either of those pairings?

There's no link as far as I can see. This is mostly down to the fact that I believe you, Om and Mykonian are town. Sleepykrew isn't posting enough for me to have a solid read. That leaves some combination of those three.

This new bottom quote doesn't look like what you were saying in that top quote. In the top you don't say "some combination of these three," you say "Dyr and ____". If it's just a matter of them all being scummy, why don't you mention the possibility of a Nacho+Emp team, ala...

Well if Dyrnify flips town then I would be very suspicious of both of them being the scumteam.

And you're saying you don't have a solid read on SKrew (

prod prod prod please ty

) but I would think then you would be open to the idea of a SKrew being part of a team with one of these 3, which would mean Dyr isn't a solid common denominator.

In this game he's been posting a lot more frequently than 3 days, but not been as diligent in his scumhunting. His entire day 2 focus has been on Emp Dear until just recently. I think he was starting to realize that his playing it safe by picking on the newbie all day was gaining a crap ton of suspicion from everyone, and as soon as his wagon got more than just you and Om voting for him he started shaping up his play and actually answering questions.

So his play is MORE like what I'm used to from him right now, but I still feel uneasy about him because of the fact that it took 3 votes just to get him in gear when he realized he couldn't play it safe with Emp Dear anymore.

All this sounds like a reason to vote Nacho to me, and instead you're using it as a reason to unvote him and vote Dyr, while still saying they could be scum together.

1) I'm not considering Skrew as scum just yet because he hasn't posted anything that would lead me to believe he is scummy. He hasn't posted much at all. So he's pretty much the definition of a null read, so in order to suspect him as scum I would only be doing so for policy reasons. I try to avoid that because I've had too many bad experiences of policy lynching newbies and flipping wrong on them.

2) I'm voting Dyrnify over Nacho because Nacho was the one who gave me a straight answer as to why Dyrnify would of hammered as scum Day 1 even though he could of just waited for me to hammer. Which was pretty much his only saving grace from me voting for Dyrnify in the first place. Without a valid reason for him to hammer as town, he's pretty much #1 scum to me. I'm not moving from this wagon today.

3) I didn't mention the possibility of Emp Dear + Nacho being scum because 3a) I am 90% sure that Dyrnify is scum and 3b) The only way I can see Nacho + Emp Dear as being scum together is a totally WIFOMY case based on thinking Nacho preplanned hounding Emp Dear since the beginning of the game and tunneling him until....? See, it's a horrible theory. So if Dyrnify should not be scum (he is), then Nacho & Emp Dear are only being considered the scum team in my eyes because I view everybody else as town. Process of elimination and all.

[em+p_dear]

@ Om

- I'm voting Dyr instead of Nacho because I wanted to give Nacho enough time to answer questions and I'm not as sure of him as I am of Dyr. Though it's very weird that he suddenly turned around and voted Dyr. He answered my questions now anyway, and I'll believe the pressuring me for a good read because I totally felt it.
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Smash's immediate scum flip on Dyr just because of Nacho's reasoning does make me a bit uneasy, but he was also very quick to see him as town because of CF's post, so not sure just yet to make anything of it.

[Nachomamma8]

In my first newbie game (I was scum at the time), Nacho was a lot more aggressive in his reads and pushing of lynches, while at the same time questioning almost every player. He only posted once every three days, which apparently was a meta thing. But when he did post he would always question even the guys he thought were solid town reads, like Camn.

You didn't think my push on the doctor was aggressive? You didn't think my push on kitiekatt was aggressive? You didn't think my push on Emp was aggressive? You'll also notice that no, I didn't focus on every player early game. I focused predominately on my scumreads early game, and focused on more players when we approached MyLo. I didn't really question camn until glass flipped town, or chrimmy jailed her and nothing went through, or some shit like that.

His entire day 2 focus has been on Emp Dear until just recently.

Except for that kitiekatt push, which actually took up more time than the emp push.

I think he was starting to realize that his playing it safe by picking on the newbie all day was gaining a crap ton of suspicion from everyone, and as soon as his wagon got more than just you and Om voting for him he started shaping up his play and actually answering questions.

Why would you call emp town?

I'm not considering Skrew as scum just yet because he hasn't posted anything that would lead me to believe he is scummy. He hasn't posted much at all. So he's pretty much the definition of a null read, so in order to suspect him as scum I would only be doing so for policy reasons. I try to avoid that because I've had too many bad experiences of policy lynching newbies and flipping wrong on them.

So it's more like you're policy ignoring him and not factoring him into any of your possibilities for scumteams at all? Still doesn't exactly make sense.

[Smashbard]

@ Om

- I'm voting Dyr instead of Nacho because I wanted to give Nacho enough time to answer questions and I'm not as sure of him as I am of Dyr. Though it's very weird that he suddenly turned around and voted Dyr. He answered my questions now anyway, and I'll believe the pressuring me for a good read because I totally felt it.
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Smash's immediate scum flip on Dyr just because of Nacho's reasoning does make me a bit uneasy, but he was also very quick to see him as town because of CF's post, so not sure just yet to make anything of it.

I believe it was you who I referenced when I said that I agree with you that Dyrnify is scummy as hell, and the only thing preventing me from joining your suspicions was his hammer. After Nacho gave me an answer as to how he could of still hammered as scum, Dyrnify didn't have any shield left to prevent me from voting him.